Reparations for slavery

AndrewR

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I just finished watching a ridiculously racist diatribe from Conrad Worrill, president of the National Black United Front, who was arguing for the payment of reparations to "Africans" for slavery. Tune to CSPAN now for more discussion -- I came to post my thoughts while they were fresh.

A couple things struck me when watching this man. The man is an obvious racist. Speaking of black power and revenge, he railed against the injustice in America, though he was talking about "white America". He said that there's "no question" that reparations should be paid. It's interesting that he says there's no question about it when in reality there is no basis for it at all. I suppose that is an easy way to avoid having to justify your position.

Why should I, through my taxes, be forced to pay money to a black person when a.) my ancestors weren't in this country prior to 1919 or so, b.) there's no guarantee that this person's ancestors were enslaved, and c.) thousands of soldiers died in part to free the slaves (from a Union perspective, that was certainly a central aspect of the war)?

I am tired of hearing about reparations already. Yes, reparations were paid to the Japanese interned at the camps in WWII, but that money was paid directly to those so wronged. No battles were fought to cease that injustice, no Constitutional amendments were passed to outlaw it. Yes, slavery was wrong, but the price this country paid in ending it was very high. Insisting on reparations only opens wounds, prevents the healing of divisions, and exacerbates the tension among the races. All it appears to me is a search for a handout.
 

Raspewtin

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<< All it appears to me is a search for a handout >>



Andrew, I'm very impressed you can take a strong view on an issue like this (clap! clap!) I could never start a topic like this. But I feel the same way. My parents weren't here until after 1970. If the original people wanted reperations, that would be different. But several generations down? However, some may argue that slavery was not the real central issue of the civil war.
 

ltk007

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I'm tired of people who don't seem to realize that racism goes both ways. Slavery was a horrible thing, and there is no excuse for it, but that also doesn't give african americans the right to hate everyone that's white. As for the paying reparations for slavery, that is just bull. My ancestors weren't here while slavery existed, why should I be paying for a &quot;crime&quot; (against humanity) that I didn't commit. Even if my ancestors owned slaves, the children have learned from the sins of their fathers (so to speak) and they aren't the same people. Would it be right to imprison a child because his father killed a man and ran?
 

Triumph

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Regardless of whether or not yours or my ancestors were here at the time of slavery, I am NOT responsible for what they did. PERIOD. And you (blacks) are NOT due any compensation for what your ancestors suffered. THEY suffered, NOT you. end of story.
 

Total Refected Power

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Indeed, how do you deconvolute the injustices of the past. Slavery, Jews were slaves to the Egyptians.
Africans were slaves to Africans, Greeks to Romans etc., wars, atrocities, tryanny ...

Human history is full of horrible, disgusting acts.

Where do you start &quot;making&quot; up to all the victims of the past.

Its time to move on..
 

Tripleshot

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Uh,the a-hole Conrad Worrill has his repariation.It is called affirmative action and all of America is paying for it now. It is called de-segragation and it is called respect for our fellow man ,regardless of color,origin,race,sex,age,or relegion.

Conrad is not a spokesman for the black people in America. Don't worry.He is a REAL minority.
 

woodie1

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I agree with you all. The thought of me being &quot;FINED&quot; and having to pay a relative of someone who was treated unjustly when I did nothing other than be a relative myself is blackmail.

I get fed up with the NAACP telling us how to live our lives too.

 

Russ

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Well, I think we should pay reparations. I think an amount of $1 million each would be suitable.
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This should be payed to every single currently living ex-slave and should be funded, not by the taxpayer, but by the currently living ex-slave owners.

Russ, NCNE
 

Viper GTS

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Make the slave owners pay the slaves. I sure as hell didn't own any slaves, &amp; the current generation of &quot;African Americans&quot; certainly weren't forced into slavery. I don't owe anything, &amp; they don't deserve anything.

Viper GTS
 

AndrewR

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Oh, one point that I realized after I posted my message. By placing Africans in quotations in my first paragraph, I am ridiculing the notion that black Americans are African, which they are not -- nor more than I am European (assuming they were born here, of course -- not talking about immigrants). They are of African ancestry in a very general sense; however, calling them &quot;Africans&quot; is an insult to not only them as it attempts to erase their birthplace from their history, the rest of America (our country's heritage is not good enough?) but to the true Africans who actually hail from that continent.

And, pardon me, but the term &quot;African-American&quot; is absolutely stupid -- go figure since it was started by Jesse Jackson (or at least popularized by him, IIRC). Africans range from Arabs in the north, east and west Africans who are quite different, and Zulus and Afrikaaners in the south. I think it would be terribly amusing to have a white South African emigate to this country and start referring to himself as an &quot;African-American&quot;. The most amusing aspect is that he would have a much better claim to the term.

Until we are all &quot;Americans&quot;, there will always be a divide.

Russ: EXCELLENT idea. I would wholeheartedly endorse that program.
 

Zucchini

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Bah, 1 million dollars? Better yet 1 million dollars divied up between all the former slaves... oh yea.. there ARE no @^$# former slaves still alive.

I'm #%@ asian american, they can kiss my yellow ass.. leave me tax money alone
 

CyberSax

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I think reparations is going a little too far, but I think Bill Clinton's notion to apologize to African Americans for the complicity that the American government demonstrated towards slavery was a good idea. The apology would have made African Americans happy, would have been a good deed on the part of the American government, and would not have specifically implicated any individuals since it would have been on the behalf on the government.

Course, all these white people heard about it, and were like &quot;Hey, I don't own any slaves&quot;, and that never came about :Q
 

Yo Ma Ma

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<< Bill Clinton's notion to apologize to African Americans for the complicity that the American government demonstrated towards slavery was a good idea >>

I'm not following, if Bill wanted to apologize I don't see how anyone could have stopped him. Or are you talking about apologizing with tax dollars?
 

403Forbidden

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Cash payments aren't a good idea. Public apology would be good though. Has there ever been an official public apology for Slavery?

Anyways, I'm glad some of the American citizens (Japanese and other Asians) who
were imprisoned in concentration camps during WW2 are getting reparations.
 

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The thing is the whole slavery thing wasn't even racist to begin with - there were even white slaves.

What happened is the slave traders would log in a fortified ports on the WEstern coast of Africa. The colonial powers only had control of the fortified ports along the slave coast (well up till towards the end of the 19th Century anyway), via the chatered companies that actually run the forts.

Meanwhile the Black rulers of the areas arround these fortified forts would often be at war with each other. So they would send raiding parties into their neihbouring areas they were at war with &amp; capture prisoners of war. It was these prisoners of war that were sold of as slaves &amp; virtually 99.99% of these slaves were enslaved by other black men. It was a tradition in Africa that went back all the way to the days of the pharohs &amp; beyond.

Occasionally they would capture white traders, missionaires, explorers, etc &amp; they were treated no differently (well mostly &amp; enslaved too) &amp; they were sold on the same way as everyone else. There were even white slaves that were bought to America &amp; forced to work the cotton fields. Also others would sign themselves into slavery to avoid debters jail, this happened sometimes in the Carribean.
 

goog40

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When they had a poll about the apology thing a while back most black people thought it was a stupid idea and were against it. It happened in the past, nobody alive is responsible for it. And I think the majority of white people were for it(not sure on that one).
 

Dave

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Has there ever been an official public apology for Slavery?


How about hundreds of thousands dead Americans? Is that official enough?

Anyone ever heard of any other country ever conducting a civil war on such for such an altruistic reason such as that of freeing slaves (and preserving the Union etc.)? - No. Only the US.

The discussion of reparations is silly. It will never come to pass and continued agitation by a very small number of people will only serve to harden hearts and poison any hope of improved race relations. These money and publicity grubbing demagogues don't give a damn about the evolution of an egalitarian, free society, only about power and self-aggrandizement.

Out
 

ltk007

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The Civil War was not solely about slavery. Slavery wasn't nearly as important a factor as 5th grade school teachers make it out to be.
 

Dave

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No, the civil was definitely not totally about slavery, especially to the pols and powerful of that era. However, to the average person, the ones whose sons were slaughtered en masse, slavery was an extremely emotional issue. Slavery was an issue easily understood as a great moral evil by the masses and it was a huge motivating factor in their overwhelming support of the Federal government.

 

GreenBeret

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Ooh! Here's an idea... we make all the people who immigrated from Germany after 1945 pay the Jewish people reparations. While we're at it, we'll pay for the Pacific people placed in concentration camps during WWII. What else? Don't leave out the hispanics, I'm sure &quot;we&quot; did something to them too... Reparations my @$$.
 

AndrewR

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I think the reasons for the Civil War were different on both sides. I think a good portion of the Union felt that it was about slavery, and there were probably a number of Union troops who signed up as abolitionists. There were probably a few Southerners who felt the opposite, but I believe that the strongest motivating factor for them was secession and the preservation of their society, which happened to include slavery.

The common people of the North could identify with the cause of freeing the slaves since that's a fairly universal tenet (freedom, that is). However, I find it hard to believe that poor white trash in the South would put their lives on the line so that a genteel slave owner could keep his property. No, it makes more sense that the Southern soldier was fighting for his right to govern his own life with his own state. Slavery was a key aspect of that society and became the lightning rod which ultimately seriously hampered the South's war effort by reducing foreign support (England).

So, it's safe to say that thousands of troops died for the cause of slavery. It's pop history, but I think it holds some water. :)
 

ParasiticFly

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That is pathetic.

Im going to sue the Egyptian Govt now.


LET MY PEOPLE GOOOOO.

But seriously, no slaves are living in the US and no slave owners are either.

If they dont like our fscking country they can go to Canada or Mexico.

I hate people who never stop bitching.
 

Zucchini

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ParasiticFly,

Good idea! The reparations should come in the form of a first class one way cruise to africa...if you chose to take it.. well bye bye:)

Oh, i forgot to add a free shredding of your passport and citizenship:)