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Reparations bill wins new momentum in Congress

UglyCasanova

UglyCasanova

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/437286-reparations-bill-wins-new-momentum-in-house

House legislation to form a commission to study whether black Americans should receive reparations for slavery is getting a significant boost from Democrats on the presidential campaign trail.​
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Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the head of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), suggested that action on a reparations measure sponsored by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) is all but certain, with Democrats now in control of the lower chamber and the idea gaining prominence on the national stage.​
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Jackson Lee’s bill would form a commission to study the issue of reparations but does not call for black Americans to receive payments.​
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2020 hopefuls including Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are backing the legislation. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), another presidential candidate, is a co-sponsor.​
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And on Wednesday, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) endorsed the idea, a pivot from his earlier statement of opposition to reparations payments.​
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Stuff like this will get Trump his second term. The Dem candidates battle it out on stage arguing for UBI, nationalized healthcare, guaranteed jobs, free college, and now reparations on top of it. The most powerful message Trump has to do is say how the frick do we pay for all this "free" stuff? Even if we jack taxes up our kids still are going to foot the bill for the excesses of our government. Whether or not Trump himself is fiscally conservative doesn’t matter when the D field seems to be who can promise to spend the most. Hearing crap like this pushed will scare the crap out of Americans on the center and they’ll hold their nose and pull the lever for Trump.
 
UglyCasanova said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/437286-reparations-bill-wins-new-momentum-in-house

House legislation to form a commission to study whether black Americans should receive reparations for slavery is getting a significant boost from Democrats on the presidential campaign trail.​
​
Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the head of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), suggested that action on a reparations measure sponsored by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) is all but certain, with Democrats now in control of the lower chamber and the idea gaining prominence on the national stage.​
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Jackson Lee’s bill would form a commission to study the issue of reparations but does not call for black Americans to receive payments.​
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..​
2020 hopefuls including Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are backing the legislation. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), another presidential candidate, is a co-sponsor.​
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And on Wednesday, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) endorsed the idea, a pivot from his earlier statement of opposition to reparations payments.​
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Stuff like this will get Trump his second term. The Dem candidates battle it out on stage arguing for UBI, nationalized healthcare, guaranteed jobs, free college, and now reparations on top of it. The most powerful message Trump has to do is say how the frick do we pay for all this "free" stuff? Even if we jack taxes up our kids still are going to foot the bill for the excesses of our government. Whether or not Trump himself is fiscally conservative doesn’t matter when the D field seems to be who can promise to spend the most. Hearing crap like this pushed will scare the crap out of Americans on the center and they’ll hold their nose and pull the lever for Trump.
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Reparations will get headlines and chatter until just after the election, then go away again.
 
pete6032 said:
How the frick do we pay for this federal income tax cut?
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By charging our kids. It was a fiscally irresponsible move for sure and I was 100% against it. But a whataboutism for a tax cut rings hollow when you’re talking about tacking on 40+ trillion dollars to federal spending over the next decade.
 
Your conservative concern has been noted, yet again. From what I see it's a commission to study this, not an actual bill that sets any spending. Right? Then right now it's just talk and as far as talk goes, unlike you, Ugly, I have no problem with this kind of discussion.

I'm not surprised one bit that you do.
 
Lol, already blaming Democrats for Trump's second term.

Reading the article, I dont see the problem here. I also dont think Trump voters will read past the headlines. Maybe 100k independents will, and that's all the votes it took last cycle to vote in the biggest con artist yet.

How would we pay for something like this, hmmm...maybe borrow 1.5 trillion for permanent tax cuts for the weathly, and make the middle class pay for it.

Derp.

Edit: @FelixDeCat - which part don't you like? The part where the 100k margin for the POTUS chair wasn't the landslide victory Trump touted? or the part where the party of fiscal conservatives only major piece of legislation to date was a massive tax cut for the wealthiest americans? Or the part where supposed morally superior people exposed their true selves by electing a known con artist as POTUS?
 
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Greenman said:
Reparations will get headlines and chatter until just after the election, then go away again.
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The sort of chatter it will generate is quite bad. Democrats will be asked how could they support racist policy?

A fully realized social safety net would, by its very nature, help those in greatest need... more. If that happens to be minorities due to prior disenfranchisement then so be it. It's essentially Reparations but without the racist language and division associated with the word. It's underlying system is fair to all, and benefits all. That's something you can sell. Flat out Reparations are poison to a national unity as you are literally and directly telling us you'll take from Peter to pay Paul. That tells people you are a threat to them, and people suffering from trickle down are not feeling charitable.

Whoever is propelling the discussion in racist terms like "Reparation" is harming Democrats and, ultimately, harming us all.
 
Jaskalas said:
The sort of chatter it will generate is quite bad. Democrats will be asked how could they support racist policy?

A fully realized social safety net would, by its very nature, help those in greatest need... more. If that happens to be minorities due to prior disenfranchisement then so be it. It's essentially Reparations but without the racist language and division associated with the word. It's underlying system is fair to all, and benefits all. That's something you can sell. Flat out Reparations are poison to a national unity as you are literally and directly telling us you'll take from Peter to pay Paul. That tells people you are a threat to them, and people suffering from trickle down are not feeling charitable.

Whoever is propelling the discussion in racist terms like "Reparation" is harming Democrats and, ultimately, harming us all.
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Agreed 100%.
 
The end of the OP article has a reasonable compromise position: “I think it’s a good idea, especially if it’s in the form of education or tuition or something like that."

The idea of cash payments for "reparations" is a political non-starter. Something like a GI Bill aimed at blacks would probably be supported by large majorities.
 
glenn1 said:
The end of the OP article has a reasonable compromise position: “I think it’s a good idea, especially if it’s in the form of education or tuition or something like that."

The idea of cash payments for "reparations" is a political non-starter. Something like a GI Bill aimed at blacks would probably be supported by large majorities.
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agreed, but how many months before Taj and SlowSpyder and the like come whining around here that they are being disenfranchised because as proper white men, they are refused access to the new black GI Bill and it is just more institutionalized racism that is really designed to keep blacks down and dependent on the government?

Thing is, it doesn't matter if the majority of people can agree on the merit of this and the proper model to institute it, at the time that it was implemented. How does one stop the very same party that has historically taken good policy like this and redefined it for the next generation of racist dog-whistling and "wealth-theft"politics?

heh--remember when social security was a great and popular idea? Now we have hoards of illiterates that seem to agree that it really isn't their own money that they have been paying into, so fully support assholes in their party that have convinced them that these funds need to be itemized to pay for wars, tax breaks for the wealthy, and should maybe be privatized...for reasons. ...it's nuts. People literally believe that SS is an entitlement. It's not. It's their fucking money.
 
Jaskalas said:
The sort of chatter it will generate is quite bad. Democrats will be asked how could they support racist policy?

A fully realized social safety net would, by its very nature, help those in greatest need... more. If that happens to be minorities due to prior disenfranchisement then so be it. It's essentially Reparations but without the racist language and division associated with the word. It's underlying system is fair to all, and benefits all. That's something you can sell. Flat out Reparations are poison to a national unity as you are literally and directly telling us you'll take from Peter to pay Paul. That tells people you are a threat to them, and people suffering from trickle down are not feeling charitable.

Whoever is propelling the discussion in racist terms like "Reparation" is harming Democrats and, ultimately, harming us all.
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Unfortunately, we're not talking about a need and a safety net, we're discussing reparations for slavery. One I support. The other no and as I have said I should have a greater reparation for my American Holocaust ancestors. Slavery is evil. I submit the equivalent of Auschwitz mentalities which did exist and perpetrated by US citizens and our government isn't a lesser of the two.

This is a ploy for black votes and will likely be cast aside after the elections, hopefully, that is. A safety net which serves everyone? Yes, please.

I don't like messing people about.
 
HomerJS said:
Knee jerk reactions are why discussions can’t be had
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It's not really knee jerk reactions - this isn't some random HuffPo opinion article. We have 3 high named democrat candidates actively endorsing it.

This will definitely be something that affects who gets nominated - and potentially who gets elected. As @Jaskalas pointed out, this could be poisonous.

But keep on acting as if it's just crazy alt-righters frothing at the mouth.... You lefties love sawing off your own legs and calling it an accomplishment. Why don't you go get some more of your people to resign for being too touchy?
 
zinfamous said:
agreed, but how many months before Taj and SlowSpyder and the like come whining around here that they are being disenfranchised because as proper white men, they are refused access to the new black GI Bill and it is just more institutionalized racism that is really designed to keep blacks down and dependent on the government?

Thing is, it doesn't matter if the majority of people can agree on the merit of this and the proper model to institute it, at the time that it was implemented. How does one stop the very same party that has historically taken good policy like this and redefined it for the next generation of racist dog-whistling and "wealth-theft"politics?

heh--remember when social security was a great and popular idea? Now we have hoards of illiterates that seem to agree that it really isn't their own money that they have been paying into, so fully support assholes in their party that have convinced them that these funds need to be itemized to pay for wars, tax breaks for the wealthy, and should maybe be privatized...for reasons. ...it's nuts. People literally believe that SS is an entitlement. It's not. It's their fucking money.
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Difference is a "Black GI Bill" for reparations requires some non-zero amount of effort on the part of its recipients for it to work. Giving them a check to buy consumer goods with isn't that, giving them tuition which in turn means they'll study and hopefully improve their job prospects benefits everyone.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Unfortunately, we're not talking about a need and a safety net, we're discussing reparations for slavery. One I support. The other no and as I have said I should have a greater reparation for my American Holocaust ancestors. Slavery is evil. I submit the equivalent of Auschwitz mentalities which did exist and perpetrated by US citizens and our government isn't a lesser of the two.

This is a ploy for black votes and will likely be cast aside after the elections, hopefully, that is. A safety net which serves everyone? Yes, please.

I don't like messing people about.
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Pretty spot on.

Want to know how you can ratchet up more white nationalism? Impose segregated safety nets.
 
glenn1 said:
The end of the OP article has a reasonable compromise position: “I think it’s a good idea, especially if it’s in the form of education or tuition or something like that."

The idea of cash payments for "reparations" is a political non-starter. Something like a GI Bill aimed at blacks would probably be supported by large majorities.
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Fuck that. Reparations OF ANY KIND for slavery is a stupid idea. AFAIK, there are no living former slaves...THEY would be the only people who might be entitled so some form of compensation.
Native Americans have a greater right to reparations for the land stolen from their ancestors and the massacres by the whites...but I don't support even that. The time for reparations over things done more than 100 years ago is long over.
 
glenn1 said:
The end of the OP article has a reasonable compromise position: “I think it’s a good idea, especially if it’s in the form of education or tuition or something like that."

The idea of cash payments for "reparations" is a political non-starter. Something like a GI Bill aimed at blacks would probably be supported by large majorities.
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I think any actual monetary "reparations" would never go directly to individuals/families, but would be reinvested in minority communities via federal grants. That would cover schools and whole lot more infrastructure as well as small business loans. That would go a long way, especially in black communities in the South that were disenfranchised entirely until Jim Crow ended.
 
BoomerD said:
Fuck that. Reparations OF ANY KIND for slavery is a stupid idea. AFAIK, there are no living former slaves...THEY would be the only people who might be entitled so some form of compensation.
Native Americans have a greater right to reparations for the land stolen from their ancestors and the massacres by the whites...but I don't support even that. The time for reparations over things done more than 100 years ago is long over.
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what a profound ignorance of Reconstruction and later Jim Crow official policy from the Feds, the States, Banks and other institutions that specifically targeted blacks for decades, actual slaves or not. It's a blatant, open crime that this country perpetrated against a specific racial demographic in the country for generations. Those effects absolutely extend for generations beyond their operative policy.
 
BoomerD said:
Fuck that. Reparations OF ANY KIND for slavery is a stupid idea. AFAIK, there are no living former slaves...THEY would be the only people who might be entitled so some form of compensation.
Native Americans have a greater right to reparations for the land stolen from their ancestors and the massacres by the whites...but I don't support even that. The time for reparations over things done more than 100 years ago is long over.
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There is the small matter of 100 years of Jim Crow & segregation you might consider. Everybody with half a brain knows that "separate but equal" was never intended to further equality. There's also red lining & other forms of institutional racism to consider as well.
 
Jaskalas said:
The sort of chatter it will generate is quite bad. Democrats will be asked how could they support racist policy?

A fully realized social safety net would, by its very nature, help those in greatest need... more. If that happens to be minorities due to prior disenfranchisement then so be it. It's essentially Reparations but without the racist language and division associated with the word. It's underlying system is fair to all, and benefits all. That's something you can sell. Flat out Reparations are poison to a national unity as you are literally and directly telling us you'll take from Peter to pay Paul. That tells people you are a threat to them, and people suffering from trickle down are not feeling charitable.

Whoever is propelling the discussion in racist terms like "Reparation" is harming Democrats and, ultimately, harming us all.
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Explain how the word “reparations” is racist.
 
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