Repainting my Integra, need advice on prepping. UPDATE

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Harrod

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I also decided to remove the front bumper, I thought it would be a huge job but it took about 15 minutes to remove about 13 screws and bolts holding the bumper cover on.

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Once the bumper cover was removed, I polished the headlights and then cleared coated them.

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After:

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Here is the front of the car after the headlights were clear coated.

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Here are all the pics of the front bumber, I removed it so I could clean it better, this part seems to have the most clear coat that has flaked off.

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Harrod

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I thought I would give an update, lately I've been working on getting some of the old clear coat off of the front bumper cover, I did a little research and found that I could use graffiti remover to remove some of the clear coat. I was a little apprehensive to use this on plastic fearing that I could possibly melt the bumper, but that didn't happen. Here is the stuff I picked up at lowes for about 7 dollars.

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The next five pictures are the bumper after the graffitti remover has been applied. It allowed me to scrap the clear coat off and allowed me to smooth out the surfaces a little better.

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I don't have any more pictures of the front bumper, I will get one final one up once the type-r front lip arrives and it's installed.

Here are the four out of 6 dents and dings that I've sanded down to prepare to use some bondo on, the following picture is the dent the was most obvious to me, I was able to get behind the panel and push it out enough to get its depth to less than 1/16th of an inch. I tried using sanding blocks to get to the bottom of the dents and dings, but ended up using a dremel tool on a low speed setting to get to the bare metal.

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Here is the other ding that was on the hatch that has been sanded down for filling, there was no way to get behind this one, but it's still pretty shallow.

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The remaining two pictures are the doors dings that have been prepped.

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Harrod

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Here is the filler that has been applied, I am waiting for it all to dry before sanding the excess filler off of the panels. I had to make two batches of the filler to get it applied correctly, the first batch dried too quickly and I wasn't able to get to all the spots that needed filler in time.

This is the rear quarter panel with the filler applied.

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Here is the rear hatch.

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The next two pictures are the passenger side door with the filler applied.

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This is the drivers side, I probably could have just used the glaze that came with the kit I purchased. I'm not sure that I applied this correctly, so I may end up doing this one over tomorrow.

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Harrod

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awesome project. I love this stuff

Thanks, I've always wanted to try something like this. I'm about to get married and the chances of being able to do this again are getting slim since I'm not going to have room to do something like this after I sell my house.


This is the hatch dent that has been sanded down, I didn't think I would be able to get this smooth, but I am happy with how it turned out.

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Here is the quarter panel dent that has been sanded down. It's pretty cool to see where the filler transitions to the metal, and also the depth of the dent that was filled in.

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The remaining pictures are all the door dings, there is nothing really major about them, other than I wanted to get them filled. I haven't finished sanding everything down yet.

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I found out the front lip is in Little Rock this morning, so hopefully I will get it today, as long as the fedex ninja doesn't sneak up to my door and slap a delivery attempted notification on the door.
 

natto fire

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So you are keeping the headlight/bumper look of your '94 intact? That is awesome, I always wondered why most people switched to the 98+ fronts, I personally like the sunk in look of the 94-97's. Had a '94 GS-R in Paradise Blue Green, very fun car, and my first one with functioning A/C. :p
 

Harrod

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So you are keeping the headlight/bumper look of your '94 intact? That is awesome, I always wondered why most people switched to the 98+ fronts, I personally like the sunk in look of the 94-97's. Had a '94 GS-R in Paradise Blue Green, very fun car, and my first one with functioning A/C. :p

Yes, I think the 94-97 front end looks much better than the 98-01 front ends which reminds of the Toyota Celica's from the same era. I had the chance to get a jdm front at a pretty cheap price a few years ago, but didn't want the car to look like an accord coupe.

This car was originally a 1994 LS with the thunder metallic paint that was only offered for the 94 year. I purchased the car after getting out of college since it was the car that I wanted during high school. I believe the original engine lasted to 242,000 miles before it blew up one evening.

At that point I lightly modified it by doing the b18c1 swap from a locals project car that was getting out of the honda scene and into rx-7's. I've also added ITR rear sway-bar, suspension, and the lsd transmission with a lightweight flywheel. Looking back I really wish I had put the b18c5 in the car, it literally would have been another 500 dollars.
 

JulesMaximus

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:thumbsup: Nice work!

One question though, why are you leaving the side molding on the car? I would think you would want to remove it and paint separately and reinstall after the rest of the body is painted.
 

Harrod

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:thumbsup: Nice work!

One question though, why are you leaving the side molding on the car? I would think you would want to remove it and paint separately and reinstall after the rest of the body is painted.

Thats a good point, I really haven't put much thought into it. I'll probably take them off and see what can be done to clean them up, or maybe just keep them off and fill the holes once a back-plate is applied to the back of the panel. I'm still a few weeks away from getting it painted anyways.
 

Aharami

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good stuff! I want to repaint my beater GTI. But dont have the balls to take it on as a project, especially since I live in a shared driveway townhouse
 

JulesMaximus

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Thats a good point, I really haven't put much thought into it. I'll probably take them off and see what can be done to clean them up, or maybe just keep them off and fill the holes once a back-plate is applied to the back of the panel. I'm still a few weeks away from getting it painted anyways.

You may get lucky and find that those moldings are just stuck on with 3M adhesive.

Might want to paint the bumper covers off the car too since they are plastic and need a clear with a flexible additive otherwise you'll end up with flaking clear coat again. Since you already have the front bumper off anyway it shouldn't be much work to remove the rear one. I'd probably remove the taillights too since they're pretty easy to remove and I'd definitely remove any reflectors, signals and grill work from the front bumper that you don't want painted.

I'd also remove the trim pieces around the glass, wipers, and any plastic vent pieces from the lower front of the windshield area.

With all the prep work you've already done it would suck to get it back from paint and then have regrets that you should have done more.

If you want to go really crazy you could remove the glass, doors, hood and trunk. Obviously you'd have to prep those areas too. ;)
 
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Harrod

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You may get lucky and find that those moldings are just stuck on with 3M adhesive.

Might want to paint the bumper covers off the car too since they are plastic and need a clear with a flexible additive otherwise you'll end up with flaking clear coat again. Since you already have the front bumper off anyway it shouldn't be much work to remove the rear one. I'd probably remove the taillights too since they're pretty easy to remove.

They aren't, I'm pretty sure that there are square holes in the door skins that they pop into. As far as the number of holes I'm not really sure, I haven't spent much time looking in the doors themselves lately. I know they are rubber and they have been painted before, I'll either take them off and fill them in, or take them off and strip them down to the rubber again.
 

natto fire

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At that point I lightly modified it by doing the b18c1 swap from a locals project car that was getting out of the honda scene and into rx-7's. I've also added ITR rear sway-bar, suspension, and the lsd transmission with a lightweight flywheel. Looking back I really wish I had put the b18c5 in the car, it literally would have been another 500 dollars.

Nice, and yeah that is a bummer. If it was just higher CR pistons, I would say you can make that up with $500, but as I'm sure you know, the head flows better and it doesn't have the dual stage intake runners, just a better breathing, higher revving engine than the B18c1. That said, the C1 is still a great motor and the secondary runners/VTEC make it have a cool Jekyll/Hyde sound.
 

JulesMaximus

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They aren't, I'm pretty sure that there are square holes in the door skins that they pop into. As far as the number of holes I'm not really sure, I haven't spent much time looking in the doors themselves lately. I know they are rubber and they have been painted before, I'll either take them off and fill them in, or take them off and strip them down to the rubber again.

Still, it's not a big deal. They just pop off easily with a trim removal tool. You could probably buy new ones ready for paint if yours are damaged. Just make sure there is no corrosion around where the molding attaches to the body and replace any damaged clips.
 

Harrod

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I took JulesMaximus advice and took the moldings off, I am definately not going to fill these holes in, it would be too much of a pain to get to the holes towards the front of the doors.

Here are the pictures of the moldings removed, I have to be somewhere at around six tonight, I'll try to get some of the sanding done later tonight when I get home.

Passanger door and front of the quarter panel.

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Here's the drivers side once the moldings were removed.

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The next four pictures are the moldings, I plan on sanding these down for painting. There is a minor crack in one, I'm going to try to use something to fill it, it's nothing major, I don't see a point in spending a ton of money for something that only I would notice.

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Here are the two lips I have, I don't really want to get into how an 98-01 lip arrived last week. The one towards the back is going on the car, if anyone wants a 98-01 lip let me know, I will ship it out at the cost of shipping.

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TridenT

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Haven't read the whole thread... But that seems like a low grit # to be sanding with.

Anyway, OP, are you planning on using spray paint (ghetto) or a compressor + painting equipment? (Better)
 

Harrod

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Haven't read the whole thread... But that seems like a low grit # to be sanding with.

Anyway, OP, are you planning on using spray paint (ghetto) or a compressor + painting equipment? (Better)

There is a local place that I am going to take it to for a single stage spray. The drivers side was done like that 8 years ago and has held up fine. I have access to painting equipement, but I believe someone who sprays them for a living could probably do a better job hungover than I could sober.
 

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You shouldn't be trying to do all your filler work at once. Make small batches. If it's not sandable in like 15-20 mins, at MOST, you didn't use enough hardener. You can try and wait it out, but I've learned the hard way that you can end up with what seems okay on the surface, but the stuff behind it is gummy. If you're lucky, you'll sand through enough to discover that this has happened, and be able to fix it (scrape/sand/dig/grind it out and do it over).

I usually hear that 220 is fine for spraying a sealer/surfacer and then paint. Personally I like 320. With final sanding done by hand- a DA seems to leave worse scratches than a block, even with the same brand and grit of paper. Probably just bad technique on my part (letting the sander spin down while touching something, or just running low on air). But doing it by hand is cheap insurance. Trust your fingertips more than anything.
 

Harrod

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After checking team integra, I found where users were able to just shave the door molding holes by making a back plate and filling the holes in. I changed my mind after realizing that the moldings allow water to get into the doors and that since the car is lowered I'm sure the moldings aren't going to save me from a door ding, and I saw some cars with them shaved and liked to look.

I cut out 20 metal tabs out of some sheet metal I had laying around to make the back plates. The thin ones are for the small holes at the edge of the doors near the latch.

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Here are one of the backing plates installed. I would guess that the area that needs to be filled is around 1/32 of an inch. The plates were attached with a metal epoxy and were allowed to dry overnight.

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This is the same hole after it was filled.

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Passenger side completed.

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Drivers side completed.

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nerp

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Cool. Clean lines is always preferred. Very impressed with your project. It emboldens guys like me to pick up a used beater with decent mechanicals and horrible paint.
 

Harrod

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Cool. Clean lines is always preferred. Very impressed with your project. It emboldens guys like me to pick up a used beater with decent mechanicals and horrible paint.

Thanks, I was kindof intimidated with attempting something like this, time will tell whether I pull it off or not.
 

JulesMaximus

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I agree, it looks much better without the moldings. Is there any way to coat/protect those metal plugs from inside the door though? Hate to see those start to rust through after a few years.
 

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Just some suggestions for your consideration,


I would suggest when one removes the protector strip they focus first visual impression on how straight the flat and smooth surface compared to each panel is, how each panel lines up, also accentuates lumpy bumpy lines from the front of the guard, over and along the door and back to the rear quarter, and sightly miss aligned joints,


I see you are doing fine, and perfectly capable of preparing your car for “very hot paint job” whatever the colour, “, bit scary at the moment, you going to be driving this car for a while, I remember how it was for me,


Please note, I would highly recommend removal of all clear coat, your clear coat was damaged and oxidizing, my line of thought is if you could visually see a lot of oxidization, there is always much more oxidation you cannot see, and it “could “release it’s adheres ion to the base colour coat later on an spoil or bubble, your paint job, I suggest now is the time to remove it, and not have to worry at all,








Ok, this picture shows red tubular shape on the floor, indicating a work light source; darker blue lines show light up to thin long stainless steel flexible metal straight edge ruler. 3 feet,??. Held against the side of the car panels with both hands, light blue arrows show you looking down at the ruler looking for light getting though gaps and bumpy surfaces, and can be used to find slight variations on surfaces all over the car,


To line up and straighten up door panel edges and corners, first Red circle, remove door handles, and door lock striker plate, and door rubber, so the door can swing freely while lining it up, and everything can and will line up, with the straight edge, you have to remove the door rubber anyway to paint inside the door Jamb,


Next is the square dark brown lines on the rear quarter hip, small boxes are off cut bits of wood to serve as handles, epoxy glue to off cut 3 foot long 6 inch wide plastic free floating floor board, second hand or new, under the board is PVA glued P600 to p1000 sand paper, 3 x 6”wide strips of sand paper on end, cheap enough to make few,


While holding the handles the 3 foot long flexible sanding board is slightly twisted and bent around each contour of the each panel, the trick is not to apply pressure, just keep the board flat, all 4 corners and the middle in contact, rub a few times and wipe away the dust, and look hard at where the sand paper is in contact, a lot of thumb size high spots can be levelled or slightly indented with your thumb, or 2 thumbs from strong hands, can press in small dents in the rear quarter cause by loose cargo in the boot, the trick is to progressively increase thumb over half a dozen or 6 attempts, or presses, gradually increasing pressure, and do not push in a dent,


A few minutes of circular rubbing will highlight, high and low spots, and checking with the straight edge and light will give some indication whether the high spot can or should be removed, or low spots have to be filled, like a slight dent, to compensate for other unknown factor at that point,


Further rubbing may show areas where the original base colour is thinning on high spots and in danger of breaking through to the metal, so contact your painter and find out what under coat primer filler you can apply with a paint brush by hand, just to sand and use as filler for slightest dents, and put some primer coat coverage over thin original paint areas, this gives you the chance to have a super glassy flat finish along and over the length of the whole car, before the paint goes on, my line of thought is the key to a excellent paint job is all in the preparation, that is you, and you are perfectly capable of cheaply doing this,


Black and grey lines along protector strip holes is stiff as 4” x 2” flat wood or steel tube, with pva glued P600 and or P1000, sand the patches of putty flat and keep those lines as straight and flat as a bullet, you may even have to lay a film of putty right along all the putty patches, to get it absolutely straight, because I am always checking the straight edge,


Small purple circle at base and corner of door shows the corner has perhaps been scraped on a grass bank, and could be bent around by a strong right hand into place and fit perfectly,


Larger purple circle shows wide gap opens more at the top of the door, possible from banging on a fence up high and on that point, when being closing, also please note if the s/s straight edge was used along the green line, could indicate the panel parallel to the green line has a slight kick out, so I would open the door and flat bang the corner with the palm of my hand, while closing and opening the door to check the gaps, as well as checking with the straight edge, , this will return the green line kick to zero, check again with s/s straight edge and light gaps passing between the straight edge and the panel surface, , and check again with the flexible sanding board, maybe have a little sand a minute, then check with straight edge again,








Next picture again shows light shining up under the straight edge, while I move the straight edge around and find a slight depression, I use a carbon pencil to mark the depth of filler required, and perimeters of the depression, ( I placed black circles anywhere, just to indicate how the pencil can be used and might look, ) as shown in circles which does help heaps when having to remember how much putty to mix, and the width of applicator of which plastic applicator to use,


I have and use 4-5 plastic applicators different widths, I mix putty on a hand held mixing table, with a small width applicator, then use the small width applicator to transfer enough putty to the correct width applicator, on vertical panels I find wiping the putty into a slight depression is best done vertical direction, but everyone to their own preference,


Black arrows might indicate possible oxidized top coat,


Purple circle shows gap in door opens just slightly, perhaps the car was reversed with the do open just enough to twist the door on the red arrow, bottom door hinge, perhaps bumping the bottom hinge, yellow arrow, direction, will close the gap, but suggest you might use and continual check the straight edge over the mud guard, shown by purple arrows,
 

Harrod

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It's been a few weeks since I last posted, I've been dealing with a minor back problem ironically from working on the car and dealing with some wedding stuff.

Anyways, I am back on this project again. Here are the latest updates.

This is the hatch area that was pushed in slightly, I filled and primered it to see if it looked decent while the primer was wet, I don't think that it's 100% perfect, but it definitely is less noticeable now.

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This is something that I ran across when I sprayed some primer on the drivers side front area of the door. It looks like something pushed the panel in slightly, I wouldn't have noticed this had I not taken the trim off, here is the area filled in, I will later sand this down.

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This is the rear quarter panel after priming to see if there was anything left, it still needs alittle work.

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The last two are the holes that were filled for the trim, the red is the glazing putty that was used to get the tops smoother.

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I'm starting to get this wrapped up, I will probably be getting it painted in the next 6 weeks.
 

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Last night I was messing around with getting the ITR lip mocked up to the front bumper cover, I really wish I has spent a little more money on a better lip, or one that just came with instructions. There is no doubt that any money saved purchasing a cheaper lip was lost in the 2 hour puzzle that ensued trying to figure out where the brackets went to mount it. Here is the lip mounted to the bumper, I am hoping to get these sprayed separately the day the car gets painted.

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I also took the side view mirrors apart, prying the glass away from the motors was pretty nerve racking, just when I thought I was about to break one they popped out of the mounts. There are 4 screws that hold these together as well as 2 small fragile plastic clips near the sail panel.

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Here are the mirrors taken apart, they aren't completely roughed up yet.

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Here are the last few pictures of the car with some minor priming done, I am planning on doing alittle more sanding before taking it to a friends house to get the priming done with a spray gun.

This is the rear quarter panel, you probably can't see much but the dent in it is blended in and smooth now.

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These are the trim holes in the door that have been filled and sprayed with primer.

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This is the same side of the car there were two minor paint chips that were filled near the window.

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Here is the area that had to add more filler to get rid of the impression near the front of the door, the area was too tight to get anything behind the panel to push out, it was probably about 1/16th of an inch or less.

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Thats about it for now.
 
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