Rep Polis (CO) makes DEA Chief look dumber than a box of rocks

[Jhhnn]

She should be fired. Not for failing to answer that question, but for not having the ability to turn that line of questioning around and completely embarrassing that grandstanding prick.

"So congressman, are you saying that the illegal/legal demarcation line is determined by health risk?"

"So congressman, following your line of questioning, which is the bigger health risk, pot or tobacco?"

"So congressman, how much money have you taken from tobacco coalitions to finance your campaigns?"

Watch that douchebag empty suit ask for a recess faster than the speed of light.

Utterly scurrilous on your part. If you want to introduce that kind of innuendo, you need to back it up. it seems unlikely that Polis accepted tobacco contributions, so if you want to insinuate that he did- give us some proof.

And, uhh, Congressional witnesses don't get to ask questions- they get to answer them, which the DEA head was clearly trying to avoid.

 

[TridenT]

No, no they really aren't.


Mirtazapine

All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Mirtazapine:


Abnormal dreams; constipation; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; increased appetite; weakness; weight gain.
Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Mirtazapine:

Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); abnormal thinking; confusion; decreased coordination; fainting; fast heartbeat; joint pain; mouth or nose sores; new or worsening agitation, panic attacks, aggressiveness, impulsiveness, irritability, hostility, exaggerated feeling of well-being, trouble sleeping, restlessness, or inability to sit still; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin; seizures; severe or persistent headache or dizziness; shortness of breath; suicidal thoughts or actions; symptoms of infection (eg, fever, chills, sore throat, flu-like symptoms); symptoms of low blood sodium levels (eg, difficulty concentrating or thinking, memory problems, sluggishness, unsteadiness, unusual weakness); tremors; unusual or severe mental or mood changes; worsening of depression.

This is not a complete list of all side effects that may occur.

-Taken from Drugs.com

This. I've been taking mirtazapine for a few months. It's not like MJ at all.

I use it to go to bed at night.

EDIT: Only side-effect I've noticed is increased appetite, which is half the reason I fucking take the pill.

 

[akahoovy]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/60631-marijuana-cause-heart-disease/
(summary of articles, including one I already linked to)

This guy has an interesting story to share:
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Heart_attack_while_smoking_weed__t196134.html

That is exactly what you would expect to happen if the drug causes a sudden increase in heart rate and blood pressure. I guess he's part of the conspiracy now.

http://jcp.sagepub.com/content/42/11_suppl/64S.short


Alright so we've conclusively shown that it's worse than smoking meth. What else can we dig up?
http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/06/why-pot-smokers-are-paranoid/

So instead of letting shit go, marijuana makes you hold onto bad feelings and turn into a serial killer. This is why it's schedule 1 and every person caught smoking it should be castrated.

In these studies, heavy, chronic users smoke 80-130 joints a week on an average of six years. That's a lot.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2008/05/13/pot-stroke.html

Exercise can decrease the levels of triglycerides in blood.
http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/exercises-to-control-your-cholesterol

It's not known why there's a link to increased triglycerides. It's thought the protein that has increased levels that carries triglycerides may slow their breakdown.
http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2008/05/28/marijuana-use-linked-to-heart-attack-stroke.htm

Marijuana is often used in conjunction with other substances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis

The most obvious confounding factor in cannabis research is the prevalent usage of other recreational drugs, especially alcohol and nicotine.

Serial killers? You're making things up.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/06/why-pot-smokers-are-paranoid/

The findings, published in the Journal of Neuroscience, suggest that activity in the basolateral amygdala is involved in marijuana-induced paranoia (the state of becoming afraid of things that wouldn’t normally trigger fear). That means marijuana is actually enhancing a type of learning about fear, leading the brain to jump to conclusions about mild experiences involving particular places or things, and to perceive them as scarier and more strongly connected than they are.

Meth is very addictive.
http://www.michaelshouse.com/crystal-meth-rehab/why-is-meth-so-addictive/

Marijuana will cause some irritability and sleeplessness for up to two weeks after heavy use.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Castration? You're out of your mind.

Just over 20% of Americans reported trying pot by age 15 and nearly 3% had tried cocaine by the same age. Those percentages jumped to 54% and 16%, respectively, by age 21.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1821697,00.html#ixzz1yVkfaylt
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[Ryan711]

She should be fired. Not for failing to answer that question, but for not having the ability to turn that line of questioning around and completely embarrassing that grandstanding prick.

"So congressman, are you saying that the illegal/legal demarcation line is determined by health risk?"

Yes, generally speaking. Why else would they be illegal? You'll see all sorts of propoganda that MJ is worse than tobacco/alcohol when in reality it's not worse and more likely less so. Though, if you have another reason why MJ should be justified as illegal, I'd love to hear it.

"So congressman, following your line of questioning, which is the bigger health risk, pot or tobacco?"

To which he would reply "Tobacco, which is why it is ludicrous that it is legal while MJ is not"

"So congressman, how much money have you taken from tobacco coalitions to finance your campaigns?"

To which he would reply (if he has taken money, which I doubt, but please feel free to provide a source): "Why does that matter in the slightest? I can't have established personal beliefs that happen to coincide with my campaign funding"



We done here?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

So instead of letting shit go, marijuana makes you hold onto bad feelings and turn into a serial killer. This is why it's schedule 1 and every person caught smoking it should be castrated.

LOL OMFG

This is like debating with someone who has been living in a bubble inside a concrete wall for their entire life...wow.

Ignorance, when blended with some level of intelligence, is what leads to absurdity...which is where this thread is swimming right now.

Marijuana can cause some people to eat more, or get a dry mouth, but I can find studies that can say anything about weed. A recent one out of the UK says people are actually better drivers after smoking because they are more cautious. The difference here is I have plenty of real world experience on the matter that tells me that almost every stupid thing you've ever heard or read about weed is bullshit.

It has no real negative side effects that would, in any way, make it necessary to be illegal except that the people in power own the pipelines into this country and keeping it illegal makes them multiple billions a year. By keeping it illegal our government is basically admitting to being Knucky Thompson from Boarwalk Empire at this point.

 

[TechBoyJK]

 

[Pr0d1gy]

lol Nice one Tech.

 

[ShawnD1]

I love how rational drug addicts are.

study shows marijuana does not cause cancer --> study is valid
study shows Dexedrine can cause heart attacks --> study is valid
study shows OTC pain killers can cause stomach bleeding --> study is valid
study shows marijuana induces extreme paranoia in mice -- > CONSPIRACY!!!

Ironically, the paranoia found in the study would explain why stoners think everything is a conspiracy.
THC increases heart rate --> fake study funded by korporate bankster jews
THC impairs coordination --> fake study funded by Big Caffeine
THC impairs learning ability --> fake study funded by Big Education and unions

If they ever legalize marijuana, I'm buying shares of amphetamine futures. I would predict a dramatic increase in the number of kids having attention problems, so sales of Dexedrine and Adderall would go through the roof. Hey maybe that's another conspiracy. The studies supported MJ are funded by Big Amphetamine!

 

[TechBoyJK]

It's commonly accepted simple logic that legalizing and regulating marijuana would reduce the amount of kids using pot because it would isolate sales to legal adults.

 

[yottabit]

I'm just hearing politics not stupidity, to admit publicly that marijuana is less dangerous could be seen as condoning it in some way

That's how our stupid politics work

/thread

 

[Phokus]

Watching the video, it's not that she's dumb, but she obviously knows the 'right' answer but she's unwilling to tell the truth.

 

[ShawnD1]

I'm just hearing politics not stupidity, to admit publicly that marijuana is less dangerous could be seen as condoning it in some way

It's pointless to argue about how dangerous something is. That's not how drugs are categorized. If that were the case, Tylenol would be schedule 1 because it kills so many people. Studies show that even small amounts over the recommended limit can cause severe liver damage in a relatively short period of time. Tylenol doesn't fall on the hit list because it has almost no abuse potential. It doesn't make you feel better unless you are in pain. That would be in constrast to something like heroin which will make you feel better regardless of how you feel before taking it.

Schedule 1:
Drugs with high potential for abuse (abuse does not mean addiction) and no accepted medical use on a federal level. Drugs like LSD are schedule 1 in the US because they are not used by doctors to treat anything at this time. If that changes, they will drop to schedule 2. While lots of countries have a drug system similar to the DEA, they all put drugs in different categories. Marijuana is schedule 1 in the US but I think it's schedule 3 in a lot of countries due to accepted medical use and different estimates of abuse potential or what defines abuse.

Schedule 2:
Drugs with high potential for abuse but have a medical use. A large percentage of prescriptions will fall under this category. This includes things like amphetamine stimulants and opioid pain killers.

Schedule 3:
Like schedule 2, but lower potential for abuse. Something like heroin fits in schedule 2 because people will prostitute themselves for it. I don't think I have ever heard of a marijuana prostitute, so marijuana would fit nicely in this category. Schedule 3 also covers addictive drugs mixed with poisons - this lowers the abuse potential because taking more than the recommended dose will make you feel horrible. Dextromethorphan in cough medicine has a very high abuse potential and its effects are loosely comparable to ketamine, but other things added to cough medicine will cause you to throw up and feel like death if you drink the whole bottle, so one could declare that the abuse potential of cough medicine is very low even though it contains one or more drugs that have very high abuse potential.

Schedule 4:
Like schedule 3, but with lower abuse potential. Things in this category don't even need to be mixed with poisons. If you take too much of a pure drug like amitriptyline or mirtazapine, you will feel horrible. Marijuana could possibly fit in this category as well.

 

[Ns1]

no accepted medical use on a federal level.

and here is where the bullshit lies.

 

[Ns1]

So instead of letting shit go, marijuana makes you hold onto bad feelings and turn into a serial killer. This is why it's schedule 1 and every person caught smoking it should be castrated.

lol you are beyond reason, so I am leaving this thread now.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I love how rational drug addicts are.

study shows marijuana does not cause cancer --> study is valid
study shows Dexedrine can cause heart attacks --> study is valid
study shows OTC pain killers can cause stomach bleeding --> study is valid
study shows marijuana induces extreme paranoia in mice -- > CONSPIRACY!!!

Ironically, the paranoia found in the study would explain why stoners think everything is a conspiracy.
THC increases heart rate --> fake study funded by korporate bankster jews
THC impairs coordination --> fake study funded by Big Caffeine
THC impairs learning ability --> fake study funded by Big Education and unions

If they ever legalize marijuana, I'm buying shares of amphetamine futures. I would predict a dramatic increase in the number of kids having attention problems, so sales of Dexedrine and Adderall would go through the roof. Hey maybe that's another conspiracy. The studies supported MJ are funded by Big Amphetamine!

Notice how they begin punching below the belt when it is going bad for them? At least the idiot in the video just kept her mouth shut like this guy would in real life for fear of being laughed out of the room.

 

[Jadow]

I have a GF with numerous diseases that take a large toll on her health.

luckily she's just GF and not wife! BAIL BAIL BAIL

 

[Jadow]

It's commonly accepted simple logic that legalizing and regulating marijuana would reduce the amount of kids using pot because it would isolate sales to legal adults.

no its not

 

[TechBoyJK]

no its not

If you are caught up on the issue, it is. Any state/province/country that has regulated weed has seen a decrease in overall useage. Look at tobacco, it's legal, regulated, and use/abuse is educated against. The number of teen users keeps dropping.. unlike unregulated marijuana which is sold underground and easily distributed to kids.

 

[BladeVenom]

I love how rational drug addicts are.

study shows marijuana does not cause cancer --> study is valid
study shows Dexedrine can cause heart attacks --> study is valid
study shows OTC pain killers can cause stomach bleeding --> study is valid
study shows marijuana induces extreme paranoia in mice -- > CONSPIRACY!!!

Ok, then don't let mice use marijuana.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Obama's DEA Chief Refuses To Support Drug Sentencing Reforms
Why is this woman still in this position after continuing to publicly undermine her boss, look like a fool, and impede some long overdue progress on our absurd drug laws?

 

[ch33zw1z]

She was totally stoned. The blank stare and misunderstanding the questions is a dead giveaway.

 

[OutHouse]

fricken necro.

 

[shira]

The danger exists in the first hour after smoking pot, Mittleman told an American Heart Association meeting in San Diego today (March 2). "[marijuana] causes the heart rate to increase by about 40 beats a minute," he says. "Blood pressure increases then abruptly falls when the person stands up. This could precipitate a heart attack."

Mittleman noted that, as an immediate trigger for heart attack, pot smoking is nearly twice as dangerous as sex for a sedentary person, exercise for a fit male or female, a tantrum of rage, or a bout of anxiety. But it’s less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine.

It might kill me? That sure sounds safe.

Of course, Mittleman went on to say:

Despite the high percentage of people younger than 50 years old who report they use the drug – 12.5 percent – Mittleman doesn’t foresee an epidemic of pot-triggered heart attacks. For a 50-year-old baby boomer without other risk factors, like high blood pressure or high cholesterol, the absolute risk of having a heart attack in the crucial first hour after smoking marijuana is one in 100,000, he says.

These findings come from a study of 3,882 people who survived heart attacks. It was conducted at a number of centers around the country, including Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, where Mittleman works. In the study, 124 people reported using marijuana regularly. Of these, 37 people said they used it within 24 hours of their heart attacks. Nine said they smoked it within an hour of their attacks.

And the methodology used for the study demonstrates that it's deeply flawed. People who had had heart attacks were questioned. Think about it: If you compare those over 50 who have just had heart attacks with the general over-50 population, who do you think are more likely to be smoking pot? Very likely those who have medical conditions and are using pot as medication.

Therein lies the flaw with this study. There's clearly a correlation with using marijuana and having serious health conditions, because MJ is used to ameliorate those conditions. So it's hardly surprising that MJ users have higher rates of heart attacks.

 

[Zorba]

It's commonly accepted simple logic that legalizing and regulating marijuana would reduce the amount of kids using pot because it would isolate sales to legal adults.

That is why no one under the age of 21 drinks, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

She should be fired. Not for failing to answer that question, but for not having the ability to turn that line of questioning around and completely embarrassing that grandstanding prick.

"So congressman, are you saying that the illegal/legal demarcation line is determined by health risk?"

"So congressman, following your line of questioning, which is the bigger health risk, pot or tobacco?"

"So congressman, how much money have you taken from tobacco coalitions to finance your campaigns?"

Watch that douchebag empty suit ask for a recess faster than the speed of light.

Want some cheese with that Whine?

She's the witness. She answers questions. She doesn't get to ask them.

Nice bit of naked innuendo about tobacco money, btw.

Marijuana was banned on the basis of lies & disinformation long ago, and has been kept that way because too many people believed it. They had no basis of comparison, no idea what the consequences of legal cannabis might be other than what the lies & fearmongering told them.

In Colorado, we're showing them what it really looks like, how it works, what the societal results really are. Funny, that doesn't seem to look like all the doom, gloom & degeneracy peddled by the DEA for decades. Truth is, it's really no big deal, other than fewer people being arrested, less pressure on the legal system, tax revenue going to the state, profit going to legit business rather than cartels & gangsters of all stripes.

We've had a few truly unfortunate deaths from freak-outs, people taking way stronger doses of edibles than they should have & and upswing in mow-rons causing explosions with ether extraction, both of which are part of the societal learning curve & lack of education.

The passage of Colorado's A64 was the Stalingrad of the Marijuana war. Fighting will obviously continue, but the outcome is no longer in doubt, not since the truth is being revealed in an ongoing fashion. It's the tipping point.

Change is hard, particularly at the institutional level of the DEA. They don't want to, but they'll be forced to. They'll be purposed in other directions, of course, but they're afraid that they won't be, that their careers will no longer be needed. Quite the contrary. They'll just be able to work better at the other tasks we the people assign for them.