Reno Vet Cuts Down Mexican Flag Flown Above American Flag

[alien42]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares?

Im sure a Vet would.

and a vet is more american than i am?
whatever (and i dont want to hear that i am disrespecting a vet because i am not)

They have also fought for their country, not sit around on the internets. You would protect your house if you bought it or worked for it. Eh, I guess you would defend your rents basement though.

i own my own house, thanks though

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Turin39789
I thought you meant Vetrinarian.


Prediction - This thread will turn into a P & N thread about immigration.

I would hope it turns into a discussion about the fact that we should have respect for Hispanic culture, but they should also respect the culture/rules in the country in which they are residing. I think people are afraid to stand up like Mr. Brossard did for fear of being called a bigot or a racist when in reality he displayed no such behavior.

I'd be more afraid to stand up like Mr. Brossard did for fear of being arrested for theft and maybe a few other charges.


I think that putting your hope aside, we both know what the thread will turn into.

 

[FP]

I thought Flag codes are simply that, just codes... I don't think there is a law against flying a flag however you like. The codes don't have any penalties for violation of said codes. I personally think the vet should have to pay to have the flag put back.

/me hugs his First Amendment right.

Are there penalties for violating the Flag Code?

No. The Flag Code (see below) is intended as a guide to be followed on a purely voluntary basis to insure proper respect for the flag.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares?

Im sure a Vet would.

and a vet is more american than i am?
whatever (and i dont want to hear that i am disrespecting a vet because i am not)

No, a vet is not "more American" than you and I, but he or she probably feels a much stronger connection with this country because thy fought and risked their lives for it.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares?

Im sure a Vet would.

and a vet is more american than i am?
whatever (and i dont want to hear that i am disrespecting a vet because i am not)

They have also fought for their country, not sit around on the internets. You would protect your house if you bought it or worked for it. Eh, I guess you would defend your rents basement though.

i own my own house, thanks though

Owning your own house cookie and fighting overseas for our country is night and day sir. If you can't see the difference in that, you are an idiot.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares, its just a flag.

...
i am not even going to give you a proper reply, you do not deserve one.

 

[mugs]

The store owner was an idiot for flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. He had to realize how much hatred that would bring his way.

But on the other hand, the flag code is violated ALL THE TIME, even by supposedly patriotic people who fly their flags in front of their houses in the rain or at night unilluminated. Businesses violate the flag code ALL THE TIME by using flags in advertisements.

This isn't about the flag code.

And btw, the first amendment protects the Mexican guy's right to fly his Mexican flag over the American flag, even if we don't like it.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares?

Im sure a Vet would.

and a vet is more american than i am?
whatever (and i dont want to hear that i am disrespecting a vet because i am not)

No, a vet is not "more American" than you and I, but he or she probably feels a much stronger connection with this country because thy fought and risked their lives for it.

Ironically, considering how this country treated its soldiers and veterans

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: mugs
The store owner was an idiot for flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. He had to realize how much hatred that would bring his way.

But on the other hand, the flag code is violated ALL THE TIME, even by supposedly patriotic people who fly their flags in front of their houses in the rain or at night unilluminated. Businesses violate the flag code ALL THE TIME by using flags in advertisements.

This isn't about the flag code.

how is it NOT about the flag code? There are certain portions of the flag code, that when violated, do not present much of an issue, even for veterans. Such as not lighting up the flag at night, flying the flag when it is beginning to tear due to wind damage, etc etc. These are things, that while frowned upon by many, are not worth putting up much fuss. My own parents have a flag that is one of those that hands off an outward extending pole from the porch, and it's not illuminated. They try and bring it in before storms, but don't always get the chance. Regardless, I don't fret because it's not something I would want to stress over.
HOWEVER, flying The Colors BENEATH another flag, NO MATTER WHAT FLAG IT IS, even if it's a State's flag, is highly offensive to many individuals.

 

[PokerGuy]

If they do charge the vet with something, I sincerely hope there's at least 1 patriotic American on the jury, he'd get off.....

 

[kami333]

Then he wads up the US flag and walks away with it.

sigh

It was on the news a couple nights ago I think, my gf and I didn't know who was being more retarded, the bar owner who didn't fly the flag correctly, the vet who called the news station and then had them tape him stealing an illegally flown flag, the TV crew that actually went out to tape something like that, all the TV stations who thought it was hot news, or the people being outraged by this when they can't fly their frayed mass produced in China flags themselves.

US Code Title 4.7: Displaying the flag

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

I see it all the time.

(d) The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag?s own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.

Saw it wrong at a museum.

(h) When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.

Fairly common mistake. Along with:

(j) When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares?

Im sure a Vet would.

and a vet is more american than i am?
whatever (and i dont want to hear that i am disrespecting a vet because i am not)

They have also fought for their country, not sit around on the internets. You would protect your house if you bought it or worked for it. Eh, I guess you would defend your rents basement though.

i own my own house, thanks though

shens

 

[Steve]

http://www.vamotorcoach.com/VA...s/greyhound%20copy.jpg

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: mugs
The store owner was an idiot for flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. He had to realize how much hatred that would bring his way.

But on the other hand, the flag code is violated ALL THE TIME, even by supposedly patriotic people who fly their flags in front of their houses in the rain or at night unilluminated. Businesses violate the flag code ALL THE TIME by using flags in advertisements.

This isn't about the flag code.

how is it NOT about the flag code? There are certain portions of the flag code, that when violated, do not present much of an issue, even for veterans. Such as not lighting up the flag at night, flying the flag when it is beginning to tear due to wind damage, etc etc. These are things, that while frowned upon by many, are not worth putting up much fuss. My own parents have a flag that is one of those that hands off an outward extending pole from the porch, and it's not illuminated. They try and bring it in before storms, but don't always get the chance. Regardless, I don't fret because it's not something I would want to stress over.
HOWEVER, flying The Colors BENEATH another flag, NO MATTER WHAT FLAG IT IS, even if it's a State's flag, is highly offensive to many individuals.

Why? Is it written somewhere in the flag code that part A is really important, but part B can be ignored whenever it's convenient? If you choose to ignore some violations but get angry at others, it's not about the flag code, it's about your biases/preferences. The flag code is just a crutch. When you explicitly spell out why this makes you angry, you'll see this has little to nothing to do with flags.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares, its just a flag.

I am part of a whole, that Democratic Republic government system makes sure that I have an investment and involvement in this country and god damn me if I won't stand up for what it stands for, mainly the (legal) people in the United States, aka. Me, my family, my friends, my classmates, coworkers and fellow Americans. It's the American flag and America if I'm not mistaken is my country. If I don't have pride in my country and assume the flag that represents me deserves some dignity, then I don't deserve any respect either in association.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: mugs
The store owner was an idiot for flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. He had to realize how much hatred that would bring his way.

But on the other hand, the flag code is violated ALL THE TIME, even by supposedly patriotic people who fly their flags in front of their houses in the rain or at night unilluminated. Businesses violate the flag code ALL THE TIME by using flags in advertisements.

This isn't about the flag code.

how is it NOT about the flag code? There are certain portions of the flag code, that when violated, do not present much of an issue, even for veterans. Such as not lighting up the flag at night, flying the flag when it is beginning to tear due to wind damage, etc etc. These are things, that while frowned upon by many, are not worth putting up much fuss. My own parents have a flag that is one of those that hands off an outward extending pole from the porch, and it's not illuminated. They try and bring it in before storms, but don't always get the chance. Regardless, I don't fret because it's not something I would want to stress over.
HOWEVER, flying The Colors BENEATH another flag, NO MATTER WHAT FLAG IT IS, even if it's a State's flag, is highly offensive to many individuals.

You more or less made my point. It's not about the fact that he was "illegally" flying the flag. People really don't care so much about that - "patriotic" people do it all the time. It was more about the message he was sending by flying the Mexican flag over the American flag. I don't like that message, and I think the guy should go back to Mexico if he feels that way, but the first amendment protects his right to do it just like it protects a protester's right to burn the flag. This veteran may respect the flag, but he doesn't respect what it stands for.

 

[archiloco]

the vet kinda sucks at cutting down the flag. he's supposed to cut away, he was struggling so much trying to cut the rope towards his face, i am sure he did not see much action if any if he was trying to cut that flag down that way.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: mugs
The store owner was an idiot for flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. He had to realize how much hatred that would bring his way.

But on the other hand, the flag code is violated ALL THE TIME, even by supposedly patriotic people who fly their flags in front of their houses in the rain or at night unilluminated. Businesses violate the flag code ALL THE TIME by using flags in advertisements.

This isn't about the flag code.

how is it NOT about the flag code? There are certain portions of the flag code, that when violated, do not present much of an issue, even for veterans. Such as not lighting up the flag at night, flying the flag when it is beginning to tear due to wind damage, etc etc. These are things, that while frowned upon by many, are not worth putting up much fuss. My own parents have a flag that is one of those that hands off an outward extending pole from the porch, and it's not illuminated. They try and bring it in before storms, but don't always get the chance. Regardless, I don't fret because it's not something I would want to stress over.
HOWEVER, flying The Colors BENEATH another flag, NO MATTER WHAT FLAG IT IS, even if it's a State's flag, is highly offensive to many individuals.

Actually, I believe you can fly it in the rain as long as it's an "all-weather" flag. Mine's heavy duty nylon, so I usually leave it out.

The guy could have avoided this by either flying the mexican flag by itself, or on another pole. Flying it above the american flag just seems like he's being deliberately offensive.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: mugs
The store owner was an idiot for flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. He had to realize how much hatred that would bring his way.

But on the other hand, the flag code is violated ALL THE TIME, even by supposedly patriotic people who fly their flags in front of their houses in the rain or at night unilluminated. Businesses violate the flag code ALL THE TIME by using flags in advertisements.

This isn't about the flag code.

how is it NOT about the flag code? There are certain portions of the flag code, that when violated, do not present much of an issue, even for veterans. Such as not lighting up the flag at night, flying the flag when it is beginning to tear due to wind damage, etc etc. These are things, that while frowned upon by many, are not worth putting up much fuss. My own parents have a flag that is one of those that hands off an outward extending pole from the porch, and it's not illuminated. They try and bring it in before storms, but don't always get the chance. Regardless, I don't fret because it's not something I would want to stress over.
HOWEVER, flying The Colors BENEATH another flag, NO MATTER WHAT FLAG IT IS, even if it's a State's flag, is highly offensive to many individuals.

Unfortunately, people are highly offended every day but it doesn't mean you get to become a vigilante. Even if the store owner broke the flag code the right to do what you want with a flag is protected under the 1st Amendment. The veteran, though understandable in his rage, was raging against the disrespect of the flag but should've realized that he's raging against one of the amendments that people hold very dear.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
If they do charge the vet with something, I sincerely hope there's at least 1 patriotic American on the jury, he'd get off.....

He can still be sued in a civil court which does not have as high of standards as criminal.

By the way, the topic was thoroughly covered in the P&N thread and the topic was fairly civil.

 

[sygyzy]

This must boil your blood, Mosh. I mean this guy is a hero (vet) and he goes does ANOTHER heroic thing and these damned Mexicans are giving him grief about it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Good for him! :thumbsup:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
This must boil your blood, Mosh. I mean this guy is a hero (vet) and he goes does ANOTHER heroic thing and these damned Mexicans are giving him grief about it.

Flamebaiter. Please crawl back into your hole.

Fyi, and judging by your post, you don't know me at all.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: archiloco
the vet kinda sucks at cutting down the flag. he's supposed to cut away, he was struggling so much trying to cut the rope towards his face, i am sure he did not see much action if any if he was trying to cut that flag down that way.

No kidding. I was cringing when he was pulling that knife toward his face.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: alien42
who cares, its just a flag.

I am part of a whole, that Democratic Republic government system makes sure that I have an investment and involvement in this country and god damn me if I won't stand up for what it stands for, mainly the (legal) people in the United States, aka. Me, my family, my friends, my classmates, coworkers and fellow Americans. It's the American flag and America if I'm not mistaken is my country. If I don't have pride in my country and assume the flag that represents me deserves some dignity, then I don't deserve any respect either in association.

I bet you never show pride in you country or do anything for your country besides become offended by violations of the flag code.