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Remember when the Democrats rigged!!! the primary against Sanders? Yeah...

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Makes no difference if you bought it as you're selling it. Doesn't matter how desperately you try and push a nuanced version so that you don't appear the same as the idiot conservatives (there were no hacks, the leaks were done by Seth Rich and he was murdered by Hilary!), you're still pushing the general theory that he was unfairly maligned by the Democrats' system and people being idiots (telling that you ignore how many of those Bernie Bros flipped to being Turmp supporters, when anyone with a brain could tell that the similar rhetoric that Turmp was spewing was empty and he was just spouting it to garner support and not because he'd actually do those things in the manner in which Bernie was espousing).

FYI, you apparently really don't know what you're talking about, which you started out admitting but weirdly are now acting like an expert on. The Bernie Bros as an insult came because it was blatantly obvious that a lot of them were never onboard with Bernie's ideas beyond some general "duh" shit like getting money out of politics, and then they bitched and moaned because Democrats actually had things in place to deal with a rising ideologue that was attempting to hijack their platform to win power (which can be harmful even when its beneficial to your "side", hence why the Democratic Party, which was pretty moderate and centrist, wasn't likely to swing to a self professed radical socialist quickly even if there was rising sentiment to support many of his ideas). There was also a glut of Bernie Bros that were obviously doing it as a means of trying to appeal to women, or perhaps out of some attempt to sway women to their libertarian bullshit, and their interest had nothing to do with politics (i.e. they were trying to get into liberal women's pants) or was actually outright nefarious attempt at trashing liberals/Democrats, wherein they revealed their true nature by becoming devout Turmp supporters. Their intent was, at best, simply to try and burn down the political system through any means necessary, and very probably worse. Instead of recognizing that, you're instead trying to blame the political party which broadly didn't actually align with Sanders ideas at the time. There's been some shifting that direction, but the will for it has largely come from seeing conservatives shift hard right. And Turmp perfectly shows why it makes sense for a political party to shun a radical hijacking their platform. Bernie would have been objectively better which seems to be the crux of your ire, but what you ignore is that Hilary was too, and that it took unmitigated factors (including literally possibly the single most comprehensive attempt by a foreign power to influence our election in all of American history) to cause her to lose.

I do rather enjoy when you try and rage about things that you take personal affliction from, projecting what you perfectly epitomize onto others as the problem (known as the modern conservative mindset). The funniest part is you constantly try to fluff yourself so you can keep believing that you're not, more than possibly any one else on this forum, guilty of the lack of actual cogent thought. It took Turmp's unmitigated willingness to act like you, speaking in nonsense while projecting that you're saying very profound things (granted you certainly are more intelligent with a broader vocabulary, and you do genuinely try and push ideas as opposed to speaking in that manner purely to obfuscate like Turmp does) to get you to stop acting like that (it is telling when you slipup and revert to form though, there's certain topics and posters that seem to make you). That must have been quite the ego crush, seeing such an easily recognizable conman and pathological and compulsive liar like Turmp speaking like you do, only far, far dumber and yet people that you thought to be similar mindset to yours eating it up.

Well, I have a bit of a theory there as you've shown some consistent, specific behavior in this. Which is, I can only guess this is your need to keep your brain from eating itself over the fact that you apparently supported Turmp out of spite or because you too fell under the spell of the idiot savant pied piper for hateful morons and are ashamed of now but unwilling to admit it was your own personal failure and thus trying to blame everyone else (aka, again, modern conservative mindset). Kinda like how you think Jordan Peterson is some profound intellectual despite him pushing similarly blatantly hateful idiocy that you choose to ignore because he apparently accomplished that which you could not, coalescing your grand ideals into modern language such that you could transfer them to others and not be dismissed as a nonsensical, albeit entertaining, clown.
Can I assume you were for Clinton over Sanders?

I saw she could lose and I believed now and believe then I knew and know why. I believe that liberals have a brain defect that makes it hard for them to see why. I did then and still do try to explain why I believe that is. I do so because I don’t want Republicans to win. Thank you though for all the effort you put into your post, but my eyes are turned to other matters. I am interested now in whether we get a tepid democratic candidate who will temporarily win for democrats only to lose again in a few election cycles or whether we get somebody who will work for change that will blow the lid off conservative thinking and usher in a real political change that appeals to the broadest spectrum of human moral concerns, that embrace more than justice and equality.

Love to go into the Peterson things but it would be a waste with the assumptions you already express, and this thread is not the place. So I have only that one question and point to make. Did you support Clinton in the primaries? I did not and she lost, and I think for the reasons I feared.
 
I always find it odd we had no top tier candidates run against Hillary in 2016, yet in 2019 they are coming out of the woodwork.

Did the Clinton's use their vast party influence to try to box other Ds out? I'm suspicious.

But Trump demanding primaries not even be held is blatant cowardice and fear of democracy.
 
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I always find it odd we had no top tier candidates run against Hillary in 2016, yet in 2019 they are coming out of the woodwork.

Did the Clinton's use this vast party influence to try to box other Ds out? I'm suspicious.

But Trump demanding primaries not even be held is blatant cowardice and fear of democracy.

Putting aside the fact that it is the Republican Party, the President is running unopposed in multiple states, suspending the primary has happened before on #bothsides!
No reason to spend the money to have one dude on the ballot.
 
Putting aside the fact that it is the Republican Party, the President is running unopposed in multiple states, suspending the primary has happened before on #bothsides!
No reason to spend the money to have one dude on the ballot.
We should cancel the whole 2020 election. Would save lots of money and everybody is saying Trump is doing a great job. Bigliest, most beautiful job ever.
In fact, let's just cancel all elections and just let Trump and his amazing kids run everything because they are so amazing, so says one of his campaign managers, (who is doing a tremendous job.)
 
We should cancel the whole 2020 election. Would save lots of money and everybody is saying Trump is doing a great job. Bigliest, most beautiful job ever.
In fact, let's just cancel all elections and just let Trump and his amazing kids run everything because they are so amazing, so says one of his campaign managers, (who is doing a tremendous job.)

I get the sarcasm, but just in case a primary isn’t an election.
 
Trump beat the GOP leadership at their own dishonest game. He enraptured their curated & thoroughly conditioned base (& a lot of other people) by being a better huckster & by having the right support groups, like Cambridge Analytica & Russian psyops. They exploited big data & social media in new & brilliant ways. The GOP fell down before him. They know they can't possibly win in 2020 w/o him.

He cuts them in on the action with judicial picks, tax cuts, regulatory rollbacks, military spending & deficits in ways that Hillary never would have, so it could be worse.
 
He cuts them in on the action with judicial picks, tax cuts, regulatory rollbacks, military spending & deficits in ways that Hillary never would have, so it could be worse.
Their victory is fleeting. An entire generation will spit venom when they hear the name Republican.
I expect the Bush clan will slide in under the Blue Dogs ere long.

Thank you though for all the effort you put into your post, but my eyes are turned to other matters. I am interested now in whether we get a tepid democratic candidate who will temporarily win for democrats only to lose again in a few election cycles or whether we get somebody who will work for change that will blow the lid off conservative thinking and usher in a real political change that appeals to the broadest spectrum of human moral concerns, that embrace more than justice and equality.

Hear Hear! It is about time we ushered in our own version of the Reagan Revolution. The clock is ticking on trickle down. Our people will only tolerate so much suffering before the promise to help them breaks the old chains of politics. Before it allows us to forge a new path, built on new policy.
 
Their victory is fleeting. An entire generation will spit venom when they hear the name Republican.
I expect the Bush clan will slide in under the Blue Dogs ere long.

That generation will labor against a right wing federal judiciary. They'll also labor against an even greater concentration of wealth & income than we had in 2016. None of that is fleeting.
 
That generation will labor against a right wing federal judiciary. They'll also labor against an even greater concentration of wealth & income than we had in 2016. None of that is fleeting.
That requires a revolution in consciousness among first democratic voters and then the people in general and that in turn is depends on having the information that will motivate people to push that revolution as the message. Humanity is asleep and it is the job of the less sleepy to shake the more comatose. We are talking about turning a battleship or the changing the direction of protoplasmic flow in an ameba, changing conscious awareness with information.
 
That requires a revolution in consciousness among first democratic voters and then the people in general and that in turn is depends on having the information that will motivate people to push that revolution as the message. Humanity is asleep and it is the job of the less sleepy to shake the more comatose. We are talking about turning a battleship or the changing the direction of protoplasmic flow in an ameba, changing conscious awareness with information.
Our job as techies is to force this issue. Automate the living shit out of everything we can get our hands on. Conservative ideology is just can't cope with the world where they have to simply give money to most people in order for the economy to continue to function.
 
That generation will labor against a right wing federal judiciary. They'll also labor against an even greater concentration of wealth & income than we had in 2016. None of that is fleeting.
I wouldn't worry about the judiciary. Once it loses its legitimacy with the people, the people can do anything they want to reform it.
It has no enforcement mechanisms of its own or defenses against the executive, without the support and respect of the people.
 
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