Remember the video with the pimp seeking funding from ACORN

[Craig234]

You are in denial. http://www.oolah.net/dir/Liberal

Salon is a very credible, leading, liberal-oriented organization - so what if they're liberal-oriented? That has nothing to do with their credibility. You are wrong to say otherwise.

The strong correlation of right-wing websites to have very low standards is its own issue, unrelated to whether they're right, 'center', left' or whatever.

Salon, for example, has broken major stories, such as co-breaking the Abu Ghraib photos.

It so happens they have attacked the left and praised the right on many occassionas, when the situation justifies it; right-wingers have posted Salon's criticisms of Obama in the past.

 

[Linflas]

Yeah, I believe they were trying to wiretap the Congresswoman's office.

Actually there was no bugging attempted, they had nothing with them that could have been used for bugging the office. In fact what they were attempting to do in a very clumsy attempt was prove that the "broken phones" were in fact working and just being ignored by the office staff. But why let the facts get in the way of the smear?

 

[Craig234]

Actually there was no bugging attempted, they had nothing with them that could have been used for bugging the office. In fact what they were attempting to do in a very clumsy attempt was prove that the "broken phones" were in fact working and just being ignored by the office staff. But why let the facts get in the way of the smear?

On the other hand, they were their to deceptively try to capture dirt they could exploit. Based on the deception and editing of the ACORN video, there's every reqason to expect the same here.

So you have your own bias distorting your version of events, even while you are right that all we know is that they were trying to capture that type of info.

It could have been more, but there's no evidence of it I know of. It's bad enough as it is - despite your lack of any condemnation of their actual behavior that I saw.

Actually, I don't mind the idea of what they were trying to do, if they did it with some honesty - and f they break the law to do it, there's going to be a penalty.

Some 'undercover' collecting of wrongdoing can be useful. Entrapment enters the gray area, and lying with editing crosses the line.

 

[Linflas]

On the other hand, they were their to deceptively try to capture dirt they could exploit. Based on the deception and editing of the ACORN video, there's every reqason to expect the same here.

So you have your own bias distorting your version of events, even while you are right that all we know is that they were trying to capture that type of info.

It could have been more, but there's no evidence of it I know of. It's bad enough as it is - despite your lack of any condemnation of their actual behavior that I saw.

Actually, I don't mind the idea of what they were trying to do, if they did it with some honesty - and f they break the law to do it, there's going to be a penalty.

Some 'undercover' collecting of wrongdoing can be useful. Entrapment enters the gray area, and lying with editing crosses the line.

Actually I can just read the charging document. It states exactly what they are being charged with and a brief description of the events.

 

[Linflas]

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/03/01/acorn_cleared


LOL... remember when Fox News anchors were applauding these two for going "undercover" to uncover what is ACORN. LOL

Of course, I expect no one will be fired Dan Rather-style either for reporting "the news".

Good thing mainstream news organizations like CBS, NBC, ABC and their flagship investigative programs 60 Minutes, Dateline, and 20/20 never air tapes edited in such a way as to induce a desired reaction. Dan Rather was fired for fabricating the news, not reporting the news. There is a difference.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Giles and O'Keefe may have to cut short that cross-country speaking tour. I look forward to seeing the 'Louisiana 4' interviews from Federal prison.

All four men are free on $10,000 bail after being charged with entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony, which carries up to 10 years in prison.

The Con Fail is Epic in this one. Good to see the typical douches come to their defense.

Complete hypocrisy and disregard for the law. What a bunch of pansies.





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[dmcowen674]

Oh, now if they could only forget H. RES. 809...

H. RES. 809
RESOLUTION

Honoring the fact-finding reporting done by Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III in their investigation in the fraudulent and illegal practices and misuse of taxpayer dollars by the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN).

Whereas Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III filmed investigatory videos uncovering the fraudulent and illegal practices of the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN);

Whereas the House of Representatives voted to completely defund ACORN on September 17, 2009;

Whereas these videos resulted in the potential annual savings of millions of taxpayer dollars to organizations that contract with ACORN;

Whereas Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III have displayed exemplary actions as government watchdogs and young journalists uncovering wasteful government spending; and

Whereas Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III are owed a debt of gratitude by the people of the United States: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) honors Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III for their work as investigative journalists;

(2) commends Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III for bringing to light the fraudulent behavior of the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN) and helping save millions of taxpayer dollars that otherwise would have funded ACORN; and

(3) respectfully requests the Clerk of the House to transmit an enrolled copy of this resolution to Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe III.

Sponser:
Rep. Pete Olson [R-TX22]

Cosponsors:
Todd Akin [R-MO2]
Roscoe Bartlett [R-MD6]
Joe Barton [R-TX6]
Rob Bishop [R-UT1]
Jo Bonner [R-AL1]
John Boozman [R-AR3]
Paul Broun [R-GA10]
Henry Brown [R-SC1]
John Campbell [R-CA48]
John Carter [R-TX31]
Howard Coble [R-NC6]
Tom Cole [R-OK4]
Michael Conaway [R-TX11]
John Culberson [R-TX7]
Mary Fallin [R-OK5]
Trent Franks [R-AZ2]
Louis Gohmert [R-TX1]
Kay Granger [R-TX12]
Ralph Hall [R-TX4]
Jim Jordan [R-OH4]
Steve King [R-IA5]
John Kline [R-MN2]
Doug Lamborn [R-CO5]
Blaine Luetkemeyer [R-MO9]
Daniel Lungren [R-CA3]
Kenny Marchant [R-TX24]
Joseph Pitts [R-PA16]
Bill Posey [R-FL15]
Phil Roe [R-TN1]
Jean Schmidt [R-OH2]
John Shadegg [R-AZ3]

Every one of these thugs should be arrested for Obstruction of Justice and Fraud.

 

[Skitzer]

Salon is a very credible, leading, liberal-oriented organization - so what if they're liberal-oriented? That has nothing to do with their credibility. You are wrong to say otherwise.

The strong correlation of right-wing websites to have very low standards is its own issue, unrelated to whether they're right, 'center', left' or whatever.

Salon, for example, has broken major stories, such as co-breaking the Abu Ghraib photos.

It so happens they have attacked the left and praised the right on many occassionas, when the situation justifies it; right-wingers have posted Salon's criticisms of Obama in the past.

I didn't say anything about their credibility. I was responding to the implication made by her209 that it wasn't a liberal leaning website.
Everyone knows this except for him.

 

[rudder]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/08/acorn-registration-workers-charged-felony-voter-fraud

 

[Craig234]

I didn't say anything about their credibility. I was responding to the implication made by her209 that it wasn't a liberal leaning website.
Everyone knows this except for him.

The quote he responded to did impugn their credibility wrongly for being 'a liberal website'.

 

[Craig234]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/08/acorn-registration-workers-charged-felony-voter-fraud

Yes, two workers 'turned in multiple forms with the same voters' information to meet ACORN quotas', and were caught and posecuted. How is this wrongdoing by the organization ACORN?

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny how something that had the right foaming at the mouth a few months back gets shown to be a fake rat thrown into their cage and now becomes the subject of yawns.

No real pride in self, no real integrity. No humility, no shame.

 

[Linflas]

Yes, two workers 'turned in multiple forms with the same voters' information to meet ACORN quotas', and were caught and posecuted. How is this wrongdoing by the organization ACORN?

Two people in isolation are not but when these type things occur in almost every precinct ACORN is active in a pattern emerges and it is not a pretty one.

 

[daishi5]

Two people in isolation are not but when these type things occur in almost every precinct ACORN is active in a pattern emerges and it is not a pretty one.

Well, if the tapes have the evidence they claim to have, they should release the originals. If acorn did what they say they did, we need the tapes to prove it. If Acorn is innocent then they deserve exoneration. At this point, not releasing those tapes is ridiculous.

 

[Craig234]

Two people in isolation are not but when these type things occur in almost every precinct ACORN is active in a pattern emerges and it is not a pretty one.

Not necessarily. ACORN doesn't encourage it. Theyhave nothing to gain when workers try to defraud *ACORN* this way to get more money for signatures - and ACORN takes measures to catch it and cooperate with prosecution of the wrongdoers. What do they gain? There's nothing organizationally they're doing wrong on this - even if there are a large number - still a tiny fraction - of the poor people they employ to register voters. Democracy is not harmed - ACORN is.

Face it - your motivation is to oppose any group who registers voters you don't agree with - or you are just stirred up by those who stir people up for that reason.

 

[Pens1566]

I'm shocked that these aired tapes were edited ...

 

[umbrella39]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/08/acorn-registration-workers-charged-felony-voter-fraud

"Miles and Clancy worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now and are accused of submitting multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals, including each other, to meet voter registration quotas imposed by the community organizing group."

Stop the presses. This has what to do with the edited vids again???

 

[WHAMPOM]

An anonymous "source" re-quoted in a liberal opinion piece posted on a liberal website.

Wasn't this Salon piece the topic of a previous thread?

Yawn. 😛

Here I thought a tenth page retraction would get something better then a "yawn" from you! Ditto head 'til the end attacking the "source" reporting the findings of an official investigation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here I thought a tenth page retraction would get something better then a "yawn" from you! Ditto head 'til the end attacking the "source" reporting the findings of an official investigation.

From snakes expect snake behavior.

 

[Linflas]

Not necessarily. ACORN doesn't encourage it. Theyhave nothing to gain when workers try to defraud *ACORN* this way to get more money for signatures - and ACORN takes measures to catch it and cooperate with prosecution of the wrongdoers. What do they gain? There's nothing organizationally they're doing wrong on this - even if there are a large number - still a tiny fraction - of the poor people they employ to register voters. Democracy is not harmed - ACORN is.

Face it - your motivation is to oppose any group who registers voters you don't agree with - or you are just stirred up by those who stir people up for that reason.

No my motivation is more simple. I would prefer the only people that vote are those legally entitled to vote no matter where they find themselves on the political spectrum. So if you mean I do not want the dead, Mickey and Minnie Mouse, The Dallas Cowboys (unless the player himself actually lives in the district), persons not legally resident, persons registered and voting in multiple districts etc to vote you would be correct.

 

[Craig234]

No my motivation is more simple. I would prefer the only people that vote are those legally entitled to vote no matter where they find themselves on the political spectrum. So if you mean I do not want the dead, Mickey and Minnie Mouse, The Dallas Cowboys (unless the player himself actually lives in the district), persons not legally resident, persons registered and voting in multiple districts etc to vote you would be correct.

ACORN adds many legitimate voters who otherwise wouldn't vote - good for democracy - and probably none, feiw if any, of the type who should not. So, you should support them. You don't.

 

[Ldir]

No my motivation is more simple. I would prefer the only people that vote are those legally entitled to vote no matter where they find themselves on the political spectrum. So if you mean I do not want the dead, Mickey and Minnie Mouse, The Dallas Cowboys (unless the player himself actually lives in the district), persons not legally resident, persons registered and voting in multiple districts etc to vote you would be correct.

There is no evidence any of these fraudulent registrations were ever used for extra votes. None. This was lazy workers trying to inflate their numbers to meet a quota. That is all. Acorn did not encourage it and took action whenever it discovered it.

 

[Ldir]

Two people in isolation are not but when these type things occur in almost every precinct ACORN is active in a pattern emerges and it is not a pretty one.

Can you prove this was in almost every precinct? How about even most precincts? I didn't think so. This was a small story of wrong doing blown way out of proportion by right wingers who don't like Acorn registering the poor.

 

[JSt0rm]

ACORN adds many legitimate voters who otherwise wouldn't vote - good for democracy

They don't want poor democrats voting. They chose to be poor so they chose to not have support.

 

[Linflas]

Can you prove this was in almost every precinct? How about even most precincts? I didn't think so. This was a small story of wrong doing blown way out of proportion by right wingers who don't like Acorn registering the poor.

Can I prove it? No. I can't prove that everytime I kick a rotting stump grubs will come swarming out but it is very coincidental that any time ACORN's voter registration efforts are examined stories about fraud emerge. It has nothing to do with not wanting the poor to vote and everything to do with the integrity of the voting process. If you were honest with yourself you know that if the Teaparty folks get into the voter registration business and stories like this begin coming out all over the place you would have a fit and demand a closer look.