remember obama's plan to spend $10 billion to save teachers' jobs?

[rudder]

Supposedly there were 160,000 jobs to save. Aside from the fact that the $10 billion would cover about $62,000 per job which is way more than an average teaching salary the same money would have to be spent next year as well (from un-budgeted sources).

hmmm 160,000 jobs... o rly?

http://www.nctq.org/p/tqb/viewStory.jsp?id=19630

It turns out many of the school districts had no plans to lay off teachers... and many of the districts that did have lay-offs were already re-hiring teachers.

good dissection of the data...

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/12/edujobs-insult-to-injury/

Many of the districts that got the money are now sitting on that money..

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-schools-rainy-day-090810,0,2367517,full.story
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/liv...ols-chief-advises.html?adsec=politics&sid=101
http://www.sbsun.com/rss/ci_16015029

When you look at the overall number of teachers and students this year compared to years past... you will see that the reduction in the number of teachers is pretty much in line with the reduction in student enrollment numbers.

Those are some costly votes obama!

 

[PeshakJang]

Saved or created 160,000 votes! Summer of Recovery! BIGOT!

 

[dullard]

Aside from the fact that the $10 billion would cover about $62,000 per job which is way more than an average teaching salary the same money would have to be spent next year as well (from un-budgeted sources).

The average salary seems to be in the 40K range. Lets go with $42K. Then add in taxes (SS/medicare) to be paid by the school system. That is another $3213. That brings you up to $45.2K. Add in 35% benefits (a fairly low amount for things like insurances, retirement, etc). Now you are at $61k is a low-end estimate for the average teacher. $62k isn't far off.

Until you get that simple idea right, I won't comment more.

 

[Fingolfin269]

The average salary seems to be in the 40K range. Lets go with $42K. Then add in taxes (SS/medicare) to be paid by the school system. That is another $3213. That brings you up to $45.2K. Add in 35% benefits (a fairly low amount for things like insurances, retirement, etc). Now you are at $61k is a low-end estimate for the average teacher. $62k isn't far off.

Until you get that simple idea right, I won't comment more.

It appears you just got the simple idea right so please continue to comment on the rest of the post.

 

[rudder]

The average salary seems to be in the 40K range. Lets go with $42K. Then add in taxes (SS/medicare) to be paid by the school system. That is another $3213. That brings you up to $45.2K. Add in 35% benefits (a fairly low amount for things like insurances, retirement, etc). Now you are at $61k is a low-end estimate for the average teacher. $62k isn't far off.

Until you get that simple idea right, I won't comment more.

Please don't as you don't seem to have anything intelligent to add. That $62,000 per job figure is for effect. Sure it may be close to what it would actually cost to save a teaching job... but you choose to ignore the main facts.

First, those being these jobs have no funding source beyond this year. are the feds to add these teachers to the federal payroll? Secondly, it would be $62,000 per job if there were actually 160,000 jobs to save. This figure like most of the crap spewing from this administrations mouth is complete bunk. Most districts were not laying off... or had already re-hired teachers. Why do people like you think it is okay for a state to budget for teaching positions when there is a reduction in student enrollment? I will not comment on your comments any further until you pull your head from your ass.

 

[piasabird]

I work in education and I dont pay SS.

However, in my other jobs I have paid enough into SS over a 30 year period to qualify to receive SS benefits.

A lot of people that work in education make less then $40k. When I started working, 15 years ago, I made $19k. This probably differs quite a bit depending on the cost of living in different areas. Large cities may have to pay more to attract qualified teachers. Generally a grade school teacher needs a bachelor's degree and a High School Teacher needs a Master's Degree. As long as the system requires a Master's degree to teach, you should expect to have to pay more. Someone has to pay for that education.

The real problem is the outrageous salaries paid to the positions like superintendent and other full-time adminstrators.

 

[DesiPower]

Saved or created 160,000 votes! Summer of Recovery! BIGOT!

LMAOed, hard

 

[rudder]

A lot of people that work in education make less then $40k. When I started working, 15 years ago, I made $19k. This probably differs quite a bit depending on the cost of living in different areas. Large cities may have to pay more to attract qualified teachers. Generally a grade school teacher needs a bachelor's degree and a High School Teacher needs a Master's Degree. As long as the system requires a Master's degree to teach, you should expect to have to pay more. Someone has to pay for that education.

This thread is not about teacher worth. My wife is a teacher, she has a masters degree and is definitely underpaid for what she does.

And no, someone does not have to pay for a teachers education. If there are an adequate number of students, and that college educated teacher is a good teacher, they will EARN money. That money can be then used to pay for their education.

This thread is about billions being spent to save jobs that were not really in need of saving.

 

[PingSpike]

If Obama sends me $31K I'll vote all democrat next time. That's twice the return for your money, and I'll actually feel like I got something out of voting for once...a new truck!

 

[her209]

The real problem is the outrageous salaries paid to the positions like superintendent and other full-time adminstrators.

I have family members working on the school administration side and from the stories they tell me, the majority don't know how to do their job and deserve to get fired. The sad thing is their take home is ridiculous. But not all administration is bad. After all, someone needs to take care of the hiring, firings, salary, etc.

 

[nick1985]

It appears you just got the simple idea right so please continue to comment on the rest of the post.

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