Remember how the USSR used to push propaganda by modifying old photos?

[Craig234]

The Bush White House previously edited the official transcript of a press conference to misstate what Bush had clearly said on video.

Now, they're editing video they put up to crop out the embarrassing 'Mission Accomplished' banner.

Sometimes, they make it very clear how they know they're in the wrong by their attempts at hiding the facts.

Link

 

[Specop 007]

You mean, staging pictures and editting video is new? So I guess those UN Pictures werent staged after all.

Point is, I dont trust any news outlet all that much, be it CNN, Fox news or the damn White House itself.

 

[bamacre]

The video and the picture shown in the video are from different angles, there is no cropping out of the Mission Accomplished banner.

That said, who cares? If one doesn't see the evilness of this administration by now, they won't ever see it.

 

[KGB]

Doublethink!

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: bamacre
The video and the picture shown in the video are from different angles, there is no cropping out of the Mission Accomplished banner.

That said, who cares? If one doesn't see the evilness of this administration by now, they won't ever see it.

The argument they make is that the big black box at the bottom is there beacuse they went to such great lengths to chop off the top.

If that's inaccurate, then it's a false attack. While I know a little something about film, I can't say one way or the other and am taking their report at face value for now.

As for your last point, I think we need to continue to demand higher standards, not give up because the regime is so bad.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Craig234
The Bush White House previously edited the official transcript of a press conference to misstate what Bush had clearly said on video.

Now, they're editing video they put up to crop out the embarrassing 'Mission Accomplished' banner.

Sometimes, they make it very clear how they know they're in the wrong by their attempts at hiding the facts.

Link

Congratulations, your side managed to make the Whitehouse think they should be ashamed of that. They?re a bunch of pansies for not standing up for the true meaning behind it.

Major combat operations against Iraq, as a state, were over. That mission was accomplished. Cleaning up and rebuilding afterwards is what we have been royally screwing up ever since Summer 2003.

Playing word games with that when you?ve such an easy issue (rebuilding) to nail them on is nothing but partisan. You should be ashamed of it, but they too should be more ashamed for actually believing that the partisan rhetoric is something to hide from.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And what are you actually trying/hoping to accomplish by this thread?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You mean, staging pictures and editting video is new? So I guess those UN Pictures werent staged after all.

Point is, I dont trust any news outlet all that much, be it CNN, Fox news or the damn White House itself.

He said it was new?

I agree that most news outlets should not be trusted, but that doesn't let them off the hook, especially in the case of the White House.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Congratulations, your side managed to make the Whitehouse think they should be ashamed of that. They?re a bunch of pansies for not standing up for the true meaning behind it.

In other words, your side lacks any conviction to stand up for their beliefs when they have a political price?

So that they'll say, for example, "stay the course" dozens of times when it makes them look strong' but say they've "never been 'stay the course'" when it's unpopular?

And maybe say it's all the liberals' fault for reminding anyone they said it, and have the White house press secretary lie about the number of times the phrase was used?

Major combat operations against Iraq, as a state, were over. That mission was accomplished. Cleaning up and rebuilding afterwards is what we have been royally screwing up ever since Summer 2003.

Playing word games with that when you?ve such an easy issue (rebuilding) to nail them on is nothing but partisan. You should be ashamed of it, but they too should be more ashamed for actually believing that the partisan rhetoric is something to hide from.

Sorry, but I have to tell you that I don't think they meant that 'stay the course' was only for the first part and they knew what was coming.

I think they meant that the biggest part of the war was over, and they were filming campaign footage using a highly polished marketing approach - and not a little deceipts, such as making the carrier circle just ot of view of San Diego so it looked further out to sea than it was, in part to justify their lie about why Bush did the 'pilot' stunt to get to the carrier, and lying about the Mission Accomplished banner not coing fromthe White House.

Their furious refusal to plan the post-war, their rosy predictions, and their later admissions that the insurgency was far larger than expected all prove the same thing.

They were utterly clueless about the situation and made some of the worst war planning errors in our history, it seems. That's why they're embarrassed by Mission Accomplished.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: bamacre
The video and the picture shown in the video are from different angles, there is no cropping out of the Mission Accomplished banner.

That said, who cares? If one doesn't see the evilness of this administration by now, they won't ever see it.

The argument they make is that the big black box at the bottom is there beacuse they went to such great lengths to chop off the top.

If that's inaccurate, then it's a false attack. While I know a little something about film, I can't say one way or the other and am taking their report at face value for now.

As for your last point, I think we need to continue to demand higher standards, not give up because the regime is so bad.

Even some of the "impartial" people in your link have posted that it's not edited.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You mean, staging pictures and editting video is new? So I guess those UN Pictures werent staged after all.

Point is, I dont trust any news outlet all that much, be it CNN, Fox news or the damn White House itself.

He said it was new?

I agree that most news outlets should not be trusted, but that doesn't let them off the hook, especially in the case of the White House.

No, but he seems to only care about accountability from "The Other Side". Long as "His Side" can do whatever they wish to further their own cause it sok.

Which has of course been the problem with politics since there was more then 1 side. But none the less I find it humorous how people are willing to overlook any amount of moral or legal infraction......as long as its their side that did it.......

 

[Craig234]

To be fair, the video is in a standard format with the bottom black bar, and the original article seems to have gone too far in its accusation.

However, the White House did lie about the origin of the banner, they did lie about why Bush 'had to' fly the jet out to the ship (while the carrier was actually circling just out of sight of San Diego), and the White House, after putting the banner for use in campaign footage, did choose to put a video up in which the banner can't be seen.

I have to say unless something more is found, we should assume the original article is wrong, but the topic serves as a reminder for the lies and manipulations they did do.

I'll also contrast how the liberals tend to put the truth first and criticize mistakes like the linked article made, and not just repeat them as fact, with the right-wingers' behavior from ignoring all the evidence that Bush did wrong in his guard duty whether or not the media was fed one forged document, that they repeated the 'Al Gore said he invented the internet' lie when they had proof that was a lie, the way they keep repeating that Kerry meant to insult the troops when he mispoke his Bush joke recently.

We'd all benefit from caring more about what's true than what helps our 'side'. I hope the linked article's author either retracts or posts further evidence for his claim.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what are you actually trying/hoping to accomplish by this thread?

Current leadership in the US is fundamentally dishonest and incompetent.

1) Although administration officials initially claimed they had nothing to do with the banner and that it was SOLELY the idea (and actions) of the crew. It subsequently came to light that the White House produced the banner.

2) During the Spring, Bushistas loved to tout 'Mission Accomplished' as if the real work in Iraq was done. Once the SHTF, they scurried to the fallback position that 'Mission Accomplished' was solely talking about major combat operations.

3) Once the preternatural SHTF, Bushistas started the campaign to 'forget' that 'Mission Accomplished' had ever been uttered. In fact, the slogan became, "we've always told the truth that Iraq was going to be long, hard endeavor . . ."

4) This video is the culmination of 1-3 . . . and the hope that sheeple with weak intellects and even weaker hippocampal function won't know what REALLY happened in March 2003 on that aircraft carrier that cruised AWAY from land to avoid ruining the 'shot' and to give an excuse for Bush to try out his cod piece.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You mean, staging pictures and editting video is new? So I guess those UN Pictures werent staged after all.

Point is, I dont trust any news outlet all that much, be it CNN, Fox news or the damn White House itself.

He said it was new?

I agree that most news outlets should not be trusted, but that doesn't let them off the hook, especially in the case of the White House.

No, but he seems to only care about accountability from "The Other Side". Long as "His Side" can do whatever they wish to further their own cause it sok.

Which has of course been the problem with politics since there was more then 1 side. But none the less I find it humorous how people are willing to overlook any amount of moral or legal infraction......as long as its their side that did it.......

Welcome to P&N, and politics in general.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: bamacre
The video and the picture shown in the video are from different angles, there is no cropping out of the Mission Accomplished banner.

That said, who cares? If one doesn't see the evilness of this administration by now, they won't ever see it.

The argument they make is that the big black box at the bottom is there beacuse they went to such great lengths to chop off the top.

If that's inaccurate, then it's a false attack. While I know a little something about film, I can't say one way or the other and am taking their report at face value for now.

As for your last point, I think we need to continue to demand higher standards, not give up because the regime is so bad.

Look at both the video and picture side by side.

The backgrounds are completely different, it's not hard to see that each were taken at different angles.

The guy commentating in the video is just the average Democrat who always picks the wrong battles to fight.

 

[ProfJohn]

I do a lot of photography and I am always getting down low when taking buildings and the like since it makes them more interesting.

Obviously the AP photographer was on his knees in order to get the shot with the banner behind him. While the video camera was at the same level as Bush.

No big deal, nice try. for the hack on youtube