Religious Question, Maybe political

[RadiclDreamer]

I just came across this article http://news.independent.co.uk/...7-07-16T08:42:27-00:00 and began to wonder why the united states pushes freedom of religion to all religions other than christianity. I am by NO means christian, but this seems unfair to me.

Please leave flaming and harassment at the door, I am looking for an intelligent conversation of why this happens

 

[alchemize]

"I am looking for an intelligent conversation of why this happens"

I wish you luck my friend, but you're in the wrong place for that

I think my signature has a good answer.

 

[1EZduzit]

This happened in the UK, did it not?

Sixteen-year-old Lydia Playfoot claimed the ban at the Millais School in Horsham, West Sussex, was an "unlawful interference" with her right to express her Christian faith.

What does it have to do with the USA?

 

[1prophet]

For all those wondering what the rings look like


In America they ban T-shirts

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I cant believe that noone has any opinion on this

 

[Vic]

Someone mentioned the US making itself look bad to this rest of the world, and this is how the UK makes itself look bad to the rest of the world. Sure, they might have UHC, but with reduced civil liberties and freedoms. My cat has good health care too and will live a long life, but I don't let him go outside the house. What kind of life do you want for yourself?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I just came across this article http://news.independent.co.uk/...7-07-16T08:42:27-00:00 and began to wonder why the united states pushes freedom of religion to all religions other than christianity. I am by NO means christian, but this seems unfair to me.

Please leave flaming and harassment at the door, I am looking for an intelligent conversation of why this happens

Well I hope it might be intelligent to question whether a case that occurred in England has any relationship to the supposition the US is pushing freedom of religion to all but Christians. In the first place, it seems that students can wear the ring in US schools, no?

 

[Stacey Melissa]

Well, first of all, it was in the U.K., not the U.S.

I don't know much about U.K. law, but I can tell you how it would turn out in a U.S. court. That is, if the rule singled out Christians for either discrimination or favoritism, it would be ruled unconstitutional. In this case, I think it would come down to whether the school's dress code disallowed rings in general, or only the purity rings. If the former, it's constitutional, if the latter, it's not constitutional. From my reading of the article, it seems like that school was guilty of disallowing only purity rings.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I just came across this article http://news.independent.co.uk/...7-07-16T08:42:27-00:00 and began to wonder why the united states pushes freedom of religion to all religions other than christianity. I am by NO means christian, but this seems unfair to me.

Please leave flaming and harassment at the door, I am looking for an intelligent conversation of why this happens

I don't understand what you mean by "the united states pushes freedom of religion to all religions other than christianity." Can you clarify?

And when you say "this seems unfair to me", do you mean what happened to the girl in the UK, or the US laws and policy on religion that I asked you to clarify?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize
"I am looking for an intelligent conversation of why this happens"

I wish you luck my friend, but you're in the wrong place for that

I think my signature has a good answer.

While we wait to see if there's any meat in this potato soup I guess I might as well respond to this:

In the first place I see a number of intelligent responses, at least in my opinion. And as far as your sig is concerned, it is, also in my opinion, profoundly miss-worded:

"U.S. citizens have been dumbed-down by years of collectivist drivel taught in schools. Forced into feeling rather than thinking(Sadly, people do not know what they feel. They merely respond to unconscious feelings they don't know they have. If people could feel they would be far ahead of people who think. Thought is just another way to not know what you feel. Thought is fear), Americans are at a crossroads. We have become tolerant (We are not tolerant at all. We are apathetic) instead of judicious and fair(As if one had a choice in whether they can exercise these abilities); inclusive (Of course people are anything but inclusive. Even the whole tone of this sic is exclusive, a judgmental rant against ordinary people) instead of discerning; filled with self-esteem(The biggest joke of all. People are filled with self loathing and it is marked by egotism and narcissism) instead of intelligence and wisdom.(so we see there is little intelligence or wisdom in this sig)"

 

[jackschmittusa]

The example in the UK is a non-issue as far as religion goes.

They have a no-jewelery dress code. The ring has no authentic religious connection. The claim of a right to wear it as a religious symbol is absurd.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
For all those wondering what the rings look like

People wear those? wtf

 

[blackangst1]

It infuriates me personally. In one respect we should have symbols or icons of other religions for the sake of diversity, yet forbid Christianity.

Kinda like reverse discrimination.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
It infuriates me personally. In one respect we should have symbols or icons of other religions for the sake of diversity, yet forbid Christianity.

Kinda like reverse discrimination.

It infuriates you because you listen to people with an axe to grind instead of actually looking at the facts. For example, this particular story has two very important facts. The first one, it happened in the UK, so whatever outrage you've managed to create should not be directed at the US. And second of all, this wasn't targeting Christians in particular, it's a policy that is about jewelry in general...no "other religions" would be allowed those kind of rings either.

Feel free to get outraged over stuff, but don't let other people do it for you...think for yourself damn it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
They have a no-jewelery dress code.

If that's the case, then they shouldn't allow this exception. One does not need jewelry to express their faith nor decision of abstinence.

I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't wear any jewelry.

 

[Hacp]

Does the bible mention purity rings? I don't think so. Muslims get to wear headscarves because their qu'ran requires it.

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms ... "

If, for example, the pope required all Catholic virgins to wear purity rings, I'm sure Britian would take exeption and allow the rings to be worn. If not, follow the rules, like everyone else does.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
It infuriates me personally. In one respect we should have symbols or icons of other religions for the sake of diversity, yet forbid Christianity.

Kinda like reverse discrimination.

It infuriates you because you listen to people with an axe to grind instead of actually looking at the facts. For example, this particular story has two very important facts. The first one, it happened in the UK, so whatever outrage you've managed to create should not be directed at the US. And second of all, this wasn't targeting Christians in particular, it's a policy that is about jewelry in general...no "other religions" would be allowed those kind of rings either.

Feel free to get outraged over stuff, but don't let other people do it for you...think for yourself damn it.

I wonder if Sikhs can wear their bracelets...

Stupid law IMO...even if it is about jewlry

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
It infuriates me personally. In one respect we should have symbols or icons of other religions for the sake of diversity, yet forbid Christianity.

Kinda like reverse discrimination.

It infuriates you because you listen to people with an axe to grind instead of actually looking at the facts. For example, this particular story has two very important facts. The first one, it happened in the UK, so whatever outrage you've managed to create should not be directed at the US. And second of all, this wasn't targeting Christians in particular, it's a policy that is about jewelry in general...no "other religions" would be allowed those kind of rings either.

Feel free to get outraged over stuff, but don't let other people do it for you...think for yourself damn it.

I wonder if Sikhs can wear their bracelets...

Stupid law IMO...even if it is about jewlry

I agree, it IS a dumb law...I'm against policies in general that treat every school kid like a juvenile delinquent. I'm just saying that the "poor persecuted Christian" crowd is SO eager to see evidence of the alleged bias that they are willing to manufacture it under the silliest of circumstances.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I just came across this article http://news.independent.co.uk/...7-07-16T08:42:27-00:00 and began to wonder why the united states pushes freedom of religion to all religions other than christianity. I am by NO means christian, but this seems unfair to me.

Please leave flaming and harassment at the door, I am looking for an intelligent conversation of why this happens

Welcome to P&N

It's because they are the Religious majority that controls the Government along with the Corporations.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Vic
Someone mentioned the US making itself look bad to this rest of the world, and this is how the UK makes itself look bad to the rest of the world. Sure, they might have UHC, but with reduced civil liberties and freedoms. My cat has good health care too and will live a long life, but I don't let him go outside the house. What kind of life do you want for yourself?

:thumbsup:

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: Vic
Someone mentioned the US making itself look bad to this rest of the world, and this is how the UK makes itself look bad to the rest of the world. Sure, they might have UHC, but with reduced civil liberties and freedoms. My cat has good health care too and will live a long life, but I don't let him go outside the house. What kind of life do you want for yourself?

:thumbsup:

I went to a parochial elementary/middle school. We had to abide by these kinds of rules. No one cried about it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think the order violates the girl's rights under ARTICLE 9 of The European Convention on Human Rights:


Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

 

[CanOWorms]

I wonder if the girl is Anglican. They get special favors in the UK.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
The example in the UK is a non-issue as far as religion goes.

They have a no-jewelery dress code. The ring has no authentic religious connection. The claim of a right to wear it as a religious symbol is absurd.

Bingo.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I wonder if the girl is Anglican. They get special favors in the UK.

No they don't.