Religious Debate

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: ThePresence
PM me when the first steak is ready.

I think it's Filet of Newb tonight. Would you like to see wine list?

What's that house Merlot or do would you recommend Chianti?

I'd go with a nice Cab or Rhone red to balance out the gaminess that rare Newb tends to have.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: Alatariel
Since reading the discussions on here about the Holy Spirit and Satan, I have been thinking a lot about religion in general today. So I wonder what others would say to the following:

First, Christianity is basically patriarchy surviving to bash women and build men up. This is evidenced by the consistent use of a few scriptures that talk about "men being the head" and how "women should submit to their husbands" while completely ignoring the scriptures talking about how "all are worthy in God."

Second, Christians don't know their own history or the Bible as well as they think they do. There are two pieces of evidence that I bring up here. The first is that never once does Jesus condemn anyone for homosexual behavior. The second is merely a question - do YOU believe that Mary Magdalene was a repentant whore?

Third, most Christians think that the King James version of the Bible is the complete and unadulterated word of God. So how do they explain the crusades? Why do they think that something with the name of an English king who picked and chose what to include is so infallible? And, how do they explain the wisdom contained in the Gnostic texts found in Qumran and Nag Hammadi?

My answers:

1. Women should all wear head coverings and leave the camp whilest they mensturate, to protect the camp from bears.
2. Irrelevant
3. Most Christians??? Pshh. that's right, french christians aren't real, b/c they can't read the KJV. only the extreme nut-job christians believe the KJV is the only one. And as for: "And, how do they explain the wisdom contained in the Gnostic texts found in Qumran and Nag Hammadi?" How do you explain the knowledge contained in the American Constitution? something needn't be a direct religious writing to be knowledgeable.

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: Alatariel
Since reading the discussions on here about the Holy Spirit and Satan, I have been thinking a lot about religion in general today. So I wonder what others would say to the following:

First, Christianity is basically patriarchy surviving to bash women and build men up. This is evidenced by the consistent use of a few scriptures that talk about "men being the head" and how "women should submit to their husbands" while completely ignoring the scriptures talking about how "all are worthy in God."

Second, Christians don't know their own history or the Bible as well as they think they do. There are two pieces of evidence that I bring up here. The first is that never once does Jesus condemn anyone for homosexual behavior. The second is merely a question - do YOU believe that Mary Magdalene was a repentant whore?

Third, most Christians think that the King James version of the Bible is the complete and unadulterated word of God. So how do they explain the crusades? Why do they think that something with the name of an English king who picked and chose what to include is so infallible? And, how do they explain the wisdom contained in the Gnostic texts found in Qumran and Nag Hammadi?

My answers:

1. Women should all wear head coverings and leave the camp whilest they mensturate, to protect the camp from bears.
2. Irrelevant
3. Most Christians??? Pshh. that's right, french christians aren't real, b/c they can't read the KJV. only the extreme nut-job christians believe the KJV is the only one. And as for: "And, how do they explain the wisdom contained in the Gnostic texts found in Qumran and Nag Hammadi?" How do you explain the knowledge contained in the American Constitution? something needn't be a direct religious writing to be knowledgeable.

Yes it does. The constitution lets God talk to president Bush, that makes it religious and it means Christianity is perfect. Anyone who argues is going to hell with all the noob flame-starters.

See? http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1355343&enterthread=y


Is someone doing ribs? I'm not really in the mood for steak. Pass me a Corona.

EDIT: One day I'll learn to quote...

 

[Alatariel]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Second Jesus was a Jew and and for the most part did not throw out previous Jewish law which does in fact condemn homosexuality. Who denies Mary was a prostitute?

Ummm...the Bible.

Read it - you'd be surprised. That is a myth that was touted in the 6th century to justify the church's stance towards women and to denigrate the fact that Mary was the first to see the risen Christ.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Somebody make a new thread with a decent debate please.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: Alatariel

Originally posted by: fredtam

Second Jesus was a Jew and and for the most part did not throw out previous Jewish law which does in fact condemn homosexuality. Who denies Mary was a prostitute?

Ummm...the Bible.

Read it - you'd be surprised. That is a myth that was touted in the 6th century to justify the church's stance towards women and to denigrate the fact that Mary was the first to see the risen Christ.

You call it fact, yet you doubt the bible? how does that work.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Somebody make a new thread with a decent debate please over in P&N and neff this thread into a lock.

Fixed.

 

[bandana163]

I hereby invite everyone to kiss Hank's ass (hint).

 

[bandana163]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Somebody make a new thread with a decent debate please over in P&N and neff this thread into a lock.

Fixed.

Agreed.

 

[Alatariel]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
All 3 of your points are sweeping generalizations which don't apply to a majority of modern Christians, and probably have never applied to a majority of them.

When was the last time you actually asked anyone about this stuff? When was the last time you actually THOUGHT about it?

Really, 90% of the Christians that I've ever talked to in my entire life are either totally ignorant of the points or, worse, just believe them by rote because that's what they were taught to believe and have never bothered to actually look it up for themselves....

 

Let me guess, you follow or your family follows an islamic faith?

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

My religion is better, it involves free love and a lot of pie. Tasty, tasty, pie.

 

[K1052]

Well, it's a well known fact, Sunny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: K1052
Well, it's a well known fact, Sunny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

Here are three of them.

 

[bobbybe01]

Just because Jesus didn't say anything against homosexuality doesn't mean he approved it. Where does it say that he supports it?

Actually MOST KNOWLEDGABLE CHRISTIANS are staying away from the KJV, heard it from my minister a few years ago when I attended regularly. I forget the reasons, however, the bible doesn't have to explain anything. Your faith is judged, not the text.

Who are you trying to kid here, sir? Please. I feel that giving a lengthy and thorough answer as to why the KJV is still ok wouldn't be appreciated here. I agree that the Bible doesn't contain everything necessary for salvation.

St. John 20:25 makes it clear that there Jesus said and did more things than what the world has in the Bible. As far as women goes, I think a lot of people misunderstand their role. Sometimes the Israelites let their bias get in the way a little. After all, they blame Eve for making man mortal. That just comes from a lack of understanding of Eve's role. (Of course, the Bible doesn't really make it too clear either. But that was because of the numerous translations that it went through...sometimes things were thrown out.)

The custom during Jesus' time women were not really taught...or at least, they were taught seperately from the men. However, Jesus made it a point to teach both men a women. Adam and Eve were told what their responsibilities were. There's a difference between presiding and being a dictator. Scriptures in the Bible:

1 Cor. 7:3; 1 Cor. 11:11; Eph. 5:23; Eph. 5:25; Eph. 5:33; 1 Pet. 3:7.

But of course the Bible doesn't answer everything. Knowing that, I don't have rely on the Bible alone for God's word. That's all.

 

[Alatariel]

Originally posted by: Atomicus

Actually MOST KNOWLEDGABLE CHRISTIANS are staying away from the KJV, heard it from my minister a few years ago when I attended regularly. I forget the reasons, however, the bible doesn't have to explain anything. Your faith is judged, not the text.

You haven't debated that point with a conservative Christian yet, have you? There is actually a segment of the Christian population who thinks that modern English versions of the Bible are the work of Satan...

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: ThePresence
PM me when the first steak is ready.

I think it's Filet of Newb tonight. Would you like to see wine list?

What's that house Merlot or do would you recommend Chianti?

I'd go with a nice Cab or Rhone red to balance out the gaminess that rare Newb tends to have.

Along with that Cabernet, I would recommend looking at the cheese list. Gouda, Brie, or Goat Cheese?

 

[Mo0o]

AHHHHHHHHH HHHHH *runs away*

 

[bandana163]

Originally posted by: K1052
Well, it's a well known fact, Sunny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

The top ones
Their vicous henchmen

 

[Ausm]

Bible =fiction

Religion=Brainwashing

This THread= SHiat


Sysadmin

 

[Alatariel]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
hahah this thread went NO WHERE. Welcome to ATOT newb.
Not to mention your points are painted with horrendously broad strokes and very ignorant understand of Christianity.

I don't see you refuting the points, though. If anyone is ignorant, it is yourself.

1) assumption that I'm a newb just because I don't post a lot.

2) assumption that I have an ignorant understanding of Christianity.

3) it's called grammar check - ever hear of it?

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: Sysadmin
Bible =fiction

Religion=Brainwashing

This THread= SHiat


Sysadmin

Wow did you come up with that all by yourself? Maybe it's the thread crappers that make threads crappy?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Alatariel

Originally posted by: Atomicus

Actually MOST KNOWLEDGABLE CHRISTIANS are staying away from the KJV, heard it from my minister a few years ago when I attended regularly. I forget the reasons, however, the bible doesn't have to explain anything. Your faith is judged, not the text.

You haven't debated that point with a conservative Christian yet, have you? There is actually a segment of the Christian population who thinks that modern English versions of the Bible are the work of Satan...

There are also people who think a superior race riding in the tail of a comet are coming to take them home. Your point?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Vaerilis

Originally posted by: K1052
Well, it's a well known fact, Sunny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

The top ones
Their vicous henchmen

Are those pics of the last OT meet?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Originally posted by: Sysadmin
Bible =fiction

Religion=Brainwashing

This THread= SHiat


Sysadmin

Wow did you come up with that all by yourself? Maybe it's the thread crappers that make threads crappy?

Look at the OP. You can't polish a turd, son.