Religion of Peace? Hurrf, Burrf!!

Perknose

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The following is posted in the crude propagandist style as represented by, but not confined to, a certain poster here:

Christians Massacre Hundreds Unto Thousands of Muslims:

International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslim civilians in the western part of the Central African Republic, Amnesty International said in a report issued today.

To protect the country’s remaining Muslim communities, international peacekeeping forces must break the control of anti-balaka militias and station sufficient troops in towns where Muslims are threatened.

“Anti-balaka militias are carrying out violent attacks in an effort to ethnically cleanse Muslims in the Central African Republic,” said Joanne Mariner, senior crisis response adviser at Amnesty International.

“The result is a Muslim exodus of historic proportions.”

Amnesty International criticized the international community’s tepid response to the crisis, noting that international peacekeeping troops have been reluctant to challenge anti-balaka militias, and slow to protect the threatened Muslim minority.

“International peacekeeping troops have failed to stop the violence,” said Donatella Rovera, senior crisis response adviser at Amnesty International.
“They have acquiesced to violence in some cases by allowing abusive anti-balaka militias to fill the power vacuum created by the Seleka’s departure.”

In recent weeks, Amnesty International has taken over 100 first-hand testimonies of large-scale anti-balaka attacks on Muslim civilians in CAR's northwest towns of Bouali, Boyali, Bossembele, Bossemptele, and Baoro. International troops had failed to deploy to these towns leaving civilian communities without protection.

The most lethal attack documented by Amnesty International took place on 18 January in Bossemptele, where at least 100 Muslims were killed. Among the dead were women and old men, including an imam in his mid-70s.

To escape the anti-balaka’s deadly attacks, the entire Muslim populace has fled from numerous towns and villages while in others, the few who remain have taken refuge in and around churches and mosques.

I guess I'll just leave out that these attacks by "Christian" militias were in retaliation for large scale attacks by "Muslim" militias on Christians, and are basically tribal in nature and have NOTHING to do, in either case, with the basic modern tenets of either Christianity or Islam.

Continuing in this vein, now is where I'd cite a bevy of Old Testament passages "proving" that Christianity is at base a violent religion. :rolleyes:

My point here is that there are murderous fundamentalist strains in all major religions -- Christians, Islamists, Hindus, etc. . . . just as there are militant nationalist xenophobes in Russia, America, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc.

This does not make crudely generalizing about any one country or creed correct or productive. :colbert:
 

brycejones

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Stop posting lies! Proof or STFU! If Muslims hadn't attacked first this wouldn't be happening, Christians are just defending themselves from the real religion of violence. Dirty stinking liberal lies. Capitalism can solve this problem let the free market decide.
 

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This sounds more like African tribal violence than religious violence to me - they would be and are killing each other regardless of religions. That being said, are there any Christians going around murdering people of any other religions? Jews? Buddhists? Or is the violence constrained specifically to anti-muslim violence in this part of Africa?
 

rudeguy

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People use religion to excuse their murderous ways and have for thousands of years. I don't see it ever stopping. Until people take the basic of all religion; loving others, then this will continue. I don't know how you can live by hate and then claim to be doing the work of God.
 

boomerang

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If people would just let themselves be controlled by others the world would be such a better place.
 

Orignal Earl

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This sounds more like African tribal violence than religious violence to me - they would be and are killing each other regardless of religions. That being said, are there any Christians going around murdering people of any other religions? Jews? Buddhists? Or is the violence constrained specifically to anti-muslim violence in this part of Africa?

News article about Christians going around murdering people of other faiths
Poster replies "are there Christians going around murdering people of other faiths?

Just like 99% of Islamic jihad stories.. This stuff is tribal...people fighting over scraps of land.. and not religious


But there are a lot of IT guys that are so inhuman and barbaric , unsocial..they can't grasp that
 
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Newell Steamer

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My thinking is, if Muslims really did want everyone dead,... we would be dead; there are 1 billion plus Mulsims.
 

Orignal Earl

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Should I lol after I make these posts, or is it more effective to let some posters get their mad on
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Orignal Earl

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Hmm, lets see, 1 billion vs 6 billion... yea, I cant see why they haven't killed us all yet. :rolleyes:

There's definatlty a lot of Muslims in the US who have chosen to burn in hell so that you won't catch on to the big picture at least
 

Orignal Earl

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If one in six people genuinely believe that by dying in taking others out paradise awaits then you are screwed.

I've made these exact same posts, like a hundred times here already to the exact same posters
I'm not ninja exploding when it's just constant repition ,)
Next week the same thing.. It would be so cool if just once, one of these guys went hmmm something's going on here
 

Newell Steamer

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Hmm, lets see, 1 billion vs 6 billion... yea, I cant see why they haven't killed us all yet. :rolleyes:

According to the alarmists, every Muslim is going to kill us by blowing themselves up,.. so yes.

1 suicide bomber takes out 40 or so non-Muslims.

Hey, this is the alarmists point,... not mine. Go check it out with them.
 

Orignal Earl

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Why did this start in the first place?

For the exact same reasons the English went into Ireland, or the cowboys started shooting the Indians

Edit. There was religious battle cries on both of those fields, but relligon was not the reason why the wars went on
 
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The Seleka overthrew the president of Central African Republic and started a campaign of horrific brutality. Those they killed, robbed and raped with impunity banded together and proceded to kill every Seleka they could find. The Seleka started it and they got their ass handed to them. Somehow I have trouble finding sympathy for them.
 

Orignal Earl

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The Seleka overthrew the president of Central African Republic and started a campaign of horrific brutality. Those they killed, robbed and raped with impunity banded together and proceded to kill every Seleka they could find. The Seleka started it and they got their ass handed to them. Somehow I have trouble finding sympathy for them.

Now take that thinking over into the Iraqi terrorist thread and give them posters screaming about virgins and infidels some hell
It will be interesting to see how you reason that out with who's the bad guys and good guys and who caused what
 
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Here's the prelude to what's happening now if anyone is interested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25195929

Central African Republic: Where have all the people gone?
2 December 2013

The dirt roads here are ominously empty. So are the villages.

Every few kilometres the thick bush recedes to reveal a few mud brick houses with straw roofs. Sometimes a dog or a goat stares from a doorway. Many of the homes have been burnt.

But where are the people?

An hour's drive on a rutted track north of the dilapidated town of Bossangoa, past dozens of abandoned hamlets, we stopped at the sprawling village of Lere.

We shouted towards the bushes, and I found an old wheel hub to bang. After about 15 minutes, three nervous-looking men emerged from the long grass.

"We were scared. We thought you might be Seleka," said Guy Sawa, a gaunt 34-year-old farmer carrying a battered machete.

"When we heard the cars we ran away - when they come into town they just start shooting."
His brother had been in such a rush to hide that he'd fallen and cut his knees.

Seleka is the former rebel alliance that recently overthrew the president of the Central African Republic (CAR) and then disintegrated into banditry, score-settling and horrific brutality.

Inter-communal violence has followed, increasingly along religious lines, with Christian self-defence "anti-Balaka" forces targeting Muslim communities thought to be allied to the Seleka.

"We don't want war. We're here to reassure the population," a Seleka commander, Sylvain Bordas, had told me the day before at a roadblock closer to the capital, Bangui.

But the empty villages to the north tell another story.

Lere has been empty for months.

"I will take you to where we hide," said Guy Sawa, setting off into the undergrowth at a fast pace.

Half an hour later, we reached a clearing and more than a dozen civilians standing beside a makeshift shelter. In all, roughly 400,000 people in CAR are thought to be in a similar plight.

"We live like animals here. No clean water. No food. No medicine. No salt. No soap," said Mareus Faiton-Haena, a 32-year-old teacher, who said the community felt trapped by the Seleka on one side and armed Muslim pastoralists on the other.

Beside him, 22-year-old Flavie Degbem told me she had just buried her one-week-old daughter who died of an unknown illness. She said the Seleka had shot dead her brother.

Two hours to the south we spotted some shadows behind a row of trees. They emerged cautiously after we'd stopped our car.

Ghislan Marto and five colleagues from the anti-Balaka were carrying crude homemade shotguns and amulets, which they insisted made them "immune" to the Seleka's more sophisticated AK47 automatic rifles.

"We are here to defend our village," said Ghislan, 30. But his men said they had not exchanged fire with the Seleka for two months.

Earlier, in Bangui, I'd met the African Union's representative, a feisty Djiboutian woman named Hawa Ahmed Yusuf.

She, like everyone else in town, was waiting for a new resolution from the UN Security Council and, following that, an announcement from France's President Francois Hollande, that his army would rush reinforcements into CAR.

Ms Yusuf insists confidently that "we can break the cycle" of coups, rebellions and autocrats in CAR, acknowledging that the African Union continued to rely heavily on outside funding.

"Our continent is always facing so many challenges. Our heads of state try to be ready but always we're facing the question of logistics and funds.

"As Africans we can make a difference. But sometimes as an African woman I'm very embarrassed to see this country and all the victims - women suffering, young girls raped without justice. But I hope all these things will be stopped with the support of the international community."

Almost everyone I've met here so far has expressed a similar hope that French troops, and an expanded African force, can end the current instability. As in Mali at the start of the year, expect a rapid advance, a surge of stability, and then a much tougher, messier search for longer-term solutions.

Towards evening we stopped in the market town of Bossangoa, where some 40,000 civilians are currently seeking shelter - Muslims at a mosque, Christians in the grounds of the Catholic church.

"The relationship on the streets between Muslims and Christians is broken. Perhaps forever," said Father Dieudonne. "But if Seleka leave town, maybe the relationship can survive."

Significantly, negotiations have been take place in order to move the Seleka fighters to two villages outside Bossangoa, in the hope that the country's shattered state institutions can take their place, backed up by troops from the regional peacekeeping force Fomac who are already patrolling the town. If it works, it could be a significant breakthrough.

Smoke from hundreds of cooking fires hung in the twilight air around the church as Estani Gbeya wandered through the crowds wearing an Arsenal football shirt - a team he'd never heard of.

He is eight but looks much smaller. Now he's an orphan. Disease killed his mother a year ago. Last month a Seleka fighter shot dead his father in their village, called Betoko.

Perched on a concrete step, Estani used a grubby sleeve to rub the tears from his eyes.

"All the Muslims were looking to kill us with any weapons they had," he says.

"They killed my father and took away his body. We felt so sad and tearful and we ran away. Now my aunty is taking care of me. I don't know if I should stay here or go back to our village. If we go back, what if Seleka kill us, then what will I become?"
 
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Jaskalas

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Continuing in this vein, now is where I'd cite a bevy of Old Testament passages "proving" that Christianity is at base a violent religion. :rolleyes:

In which religion are its followers emulating their messiah by murdering others? See, you comparison fails when one examines the two prophets and sees a murderous warlord VS a pacifist martyr. The two stories, or religions, could not be more dynamically opposed.

OTOH, this does not change the fact that I would not invite those "Christians" in your OP to dinner. Nor would I invite them to my country. I would keep them separated from us, banished to the hell in which they live.

Though we squabble on details, I hope, at least, we agree that their violence has no place among us. So long as you agree with that then we stand united on such matters.
 

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In which religion are its followers emulating their messiah by murdering others? See, you comparison fails when one examines the two prophets and sees a murderous warlord VS a pacifist martyr. The two stories, or religions, could not be more dynamically opposed.

OTOH, this does not change the fact that I would not invite those "Christians" in your OP to dinner. Nor would I invite them to my country. I would keep them separated from us, banished to the hell in which they live.

Though we squabble on details, I hope, at least, we agree that their violence has no place among us. So long as you agree with that then we stand united on such matters.

I don't think Mohammad murdered anyone, the best comparison would be all the millions of people murdered/killed in the name of Jesus by lots of Popes, Christian leaders
Somehow all these guys had Biblical backing

Edit- google list of killings in name of Jesus
Edit2- nobody says Jews emulate Jewish leaders killing Jesus anymore, people started to stop believing that crap after WW2
 
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In which religion are its followers emulating their messiah by murdering others? See, you comparison fails when one examines the two prophets and sees a murderous warlord VS a pacifist martyr. The two stories, or religions, could not be more dynamically opposed.

OTOH, this does not change the fact that I would not invite those "Christians" in your OP to dinner. Nor would I invite them to my country. I would keep them separated from us, banished to the hell in which they live.

Though we squabble on details, I hope, at least, we agree that their violence has no place among us. So long as you agree with that then we stand united on such matters.

Yes, cant have empowered people allowed to defend themselves...