relieving pain / problems the unconventional ways

rh71

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I've been very intolerant of my parent's methodologies of fixing problems with herbs and whatever concoctions they can come up with in a bowl of soup. Yes, it's an asian thing... it's always given me a reason to hate them when they forced me to drink sh!t that I 99% believed didn't really work (better eyesight, better you-name-it). All it succeeds in doing is giving me a very full stomach and sometimes even pains afterwards (oh the irony). This stuff has been passed on for centuries but I have yet to see proof. My infant son is having stomach issues (which infant doesn't, really?) and my MIL wants to put some sort of oil on his stomach. More in-line with the voodoo that they believe in...

Am I just being intolerant / ignorant? Is there some truth to this stuff that westerners have not adopted?
 

Eli

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There is most certainly truth to some of it. Think about it.

Almost all of our drugs and such came from the natural world.
 

SirStev0

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Maybe, Maybe not. We don't know how tylenol works and no one has a problem with that.
 

vi edit

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I'm sure that for some people, for certain problems, in select situations they work.

But for most people, with most problems, and in many situations they don't.

The problem isn't the solution. It's figuring out what the problem is. Which many homeopathic therapies tend to ignore or flat out get wrong.
 

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chinese oil rocks for stomach issues... tiger palm , green eagle, etc
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Maybe, Maybe not. We don't know how tylenol works and no one has a problem with that.
We have theories! :p

It's a much debated topic.

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SirStev0

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Originally posted by: vi edit
I'm sure that for some people, for certain problems, in select situations they work.

But for most people, with most problems, and in many situations they don't.

The problem isn't the solution. It's figuring out what the problem is. Which many homeopathic therapies tend to ignore or flat out get wrong.

Don't know much about modern pharmacology do you...
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: LS21
chinese oil rocks for stomach issues... tiger palm , green eagle, etc

What I'm having trouble understanding is if stomach pains are caused primarily by gas, how is putting some oil externally going to solve this? And if it somehow does its thing only after absorption, why not just pop a pill where it gets right to the problem quicker? Asians take pills too.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Maybe, Maybe not. We don't know how tylenol works and no one has a problem with that.
We have theories! :p

It's a much debated topic.

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I had a lecture devoted to Cox inhibitors and NSAIDS. It is debated because we have no solid evidence to support it. A lot of the "theories" are based on the assumption that it works like other NSAIDS (even though it isn't an anti-imflam) and they all work on the COX pathways. We guess it might have something to do with COX 3 inhibitor, but again, that is only because we aren't sure what they do.
 

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: vi edit
I'm sure that for some people, for certain problems, in select situations they work.

But for most people, with most problems, and in many situations they don't.

The problem isn't the solution. It's figuring out what the problem is. Which many homeopathic therapies tend to ignore or flat out get wrong.

Don't know much about modern pharmacology do you...

I'm married to a pharmacist if that counts for anything. Can you elaborate a little more on what your point is?

All I'm saying is that if we don't really know what the problem is, throwing any sort of solution at it is nothing but a guessing game.

Take the upset infant for example. Is it gas? Is it acid reflux? Is it lactose intolerance? Is it a bowel obstruction? An allergy to something in the mothers milk? What if they just have a cold and are swollowing lots of mucus?

 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: vi edit
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: vi edit
I'm sure that for some people, for certain problems, in select situations they work.

But for most people, with most problems, and in many situations they don't.

The problem isn't the solution. It's figuring out what the problem is. Which many homeopathic therapies tend to ignore or flat out get wrong.

Don't know much about modern pharmacology do you...

I'm married to a pharmacist if that counts for anything. Can you elaborate a little more on what your point is?

All I'm saying is that if we don't really know what the problem is, throwing any sort of solution at it is nothing but a guessing game.

Take the upset infant for example. Is it gas? Is it acid reflux? Is it lactose intolerance? Is it a bowel obstruction? An allergy to something in the mothers milk? What if they just have a cold and are swollowing lots of mucus?
Many drugs we have work on the same theory. Your description is a vary basic approach to disease management that is routinely used. What happened when you were a kid and you went to the doctor with a sore throat. They threw antibiotics in you and hoped for the best. Maybe they ran a few tests to limit the possibilities.
You look at the symptoms and go with the most probably diagnosis. If that doesn't work, look again, re-evaluate and try again. It is called modern medicine.


There are also many medicines that work by easing symptoms not curing problems. Consider arthritis and blood pressure meds. They don't cure the disease, they make it livable. Chinese medicine has similar treatments.

I am not an advocate of every "alternative" medicine or homeopathic cure, but I am open to considering them and not blowing them off.

Consider Acupuncture which has been practiced since the Before Common Era. If it was completely mumbojumbo would it have lasted? Is it based on studies and fact? No, probably not. But does it work? It would have to do something.

Again, I am not one of those tinfoil scrubs wearing future doctors. but there is something to be said about drugs, especially in the United States. The regulation and control of studies and drugs basically lies in the hands of people who make money off of them.

There is a huge ethical issue with the presentation of information on drugs and their overall effectiveness. Alzheimer's drugs are a great example. They are being prescribed like candy, but there are a lot of questions about their safety and more importantly the actual advantage they give. I had a professor who showed us a great graph distributed with a study showing that a certain drug helped patients regain cognitive return. If you looked closely at the information presented, you saw that they were presenting only a small portion of that graph. In actuality the drug did very little compared to the control. If you just took them at their word, it seemed like they basically cured the disease. If this drug did so little why was it being prescribed? What purpose did it serve?


 

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: LS21
chinese oil rocks for stomach issues... tiger palm , green eagle, etc

What I'm having trouble understanding is if stomach pains are caused primarily by gas, how is putting some oil externally going to solve this? And if it somehow does its thing only after absorption, why not just pop a pill where it gets right to the problem quicker? Asians take pills too.


i dont know how or why it works but from practical experience it has worked awesome everytime.

i really dont use it for anything else (ie headaches, muscle pains, etc) so i cant attest to its efficacy there but for anything stomach related its been an immediate reliever... plus it feels warm on your tummy and smells awesome
 

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Many drugs we have work on the same theory. Your description is a vary basic approach to disease management that is routinely used. What happened when you were a kid and you went to the doctor with a sore throat. They threw antibiotics in you and hoped for the best. Maybe they ran a few tests to limit the possibilities.

And that's part of the reason why we have the MRSA problems that we do today.

I'm definitlely not being appologetic to "western" methods of throwing drugs at a problem. Sorry if I came off that way.
 

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Don't want Altzheimers?

Smoke a lot of pot. ;)
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: vi edit
Many drugs we have work on the same theory. Your description is a vary basic approach to disease management that is routinely used. What happened when you were a kid and you went to the doctor with a sore throat. They threw antibiotics in you and hoped for the best. Maybe they ran a few tests to limit the possibilities.

And that's part of the reason why we have the MRSA problems that we do today.

I'm definitlely not being appologetic to "western" methods of throwing drugs at a problem. Sorry if I came off that way.

Exactly. And it is one of the main reasons why I like to look at other ways of controlling problems. Our bodies have amazing ways of subtly changing things. We get high blood pressure because our body craves oxygen and demands more blood. Blood pressure meds work by lowering blood pressure. That is usually it. Our body still wants more blood, but now its way of passing that message along is being completely fucked with. If I were a leg, I'd be pissed.