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Reliable 4GB DDR2 RAM

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zsero

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I am planning to build a X38 + Q6600 system, based on Asus P5E motherboard. Maybe I will overclock slightly, just if it's stable for 3D work.

I would like to have a 4 GB system, but I don't know that 4 x 1 GB or 2 x 2 GB ram would be the more reliable solution? I know that there are lot of reviews for gamers but I would like to use that system as a 3D workstation, and stability is important (but not mission critical) to me. I have had good expererience with Kingston ValueRAM matched pairs, but on s939 Athlon 64 using 4 sticks was not the most stable solution. I always felt that using 2 stick instead of 4 made the system a bit better, although slower. If I choose 2 x 2 GB I can only choose between DDR667 Kingston and DDR800 Corsair where I live. If I choose 4 x 1 GB I have a load of different brands and models. Do you think using 4 x 1 GB would make the system less stable or that's not the case with Intel chipsets?
 
I have two E6300 systems here at work with 4GB (4x1GB) of Corsair XMS2 DDR2-667. Both systems are rock solid, tho running at stock specs.
 
If you are lucky 4X1 GB could work with no problems, but there are some people having trouble overclocking with all the slots occupied. I believe that if you could find some good deal on an 2X2 GB it would be a better choice.
 
Originally posted by: zsero
I am planning to build a X38 + Q6600 system, based on Asus P5E motherboard. Maybe I will overclock slightly, just if it's stable for 3D work.

I would like to have a 4 GB system, but I don't know that 4 x 1 GB or 2 x 2 GB ram would be the more reliable solution? I know that there are lot of reviews for gamers but I would like to use that system as a 3D workstation, and stability is important (but not mission critical) to me. I have had good expererience with Kingston ValueRAM matched pairs, but on s939 Athlon 64 using 4 sticks was not the most stable solution. I always felt that using 2 stick instead of 4 made the system a bit better, although slower. If I choose 2 x 2 GB I can only choose between DDR667 Kingston and DDR800 Corsair where I live. If I choose 4 x 1 GB I have a load of different brands and models. Do you think using 4 x 1 GB would make the system less stable or that's not the case with Intel chipsets?
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Kingston N5 DDR2 667 or 800 are quality RAMs. You'll find these in a black plastic box with clear plastic cover. Look for N5 in the part number.

 
On X38, you should be fine with 4 x 1gb and very stable. The newer Intel chipsets handle 4 DIMMs very well. The main difference between 2 x 2gb and 4 x 1gb will be slightly more power consumption (small neglible amount overall) and more load+heat on the memory controller.
 
4x1 will put a little more stress on your chipset (Northbridge?), but the only boards that I'm hearing that are having heat issues are the boards with the 680i chipsets. But if you go 2x2 you're all set to upgrade to 4x2 after software is written to utillize 8gb memory.
 
I would take quality 1GB any day over 2GB. 2GB modules generally don't overclock well. I've seen a few cases were 2GB modules are not consistently detected by the BIOS during POST.
 
In general, a 965 chipset is going to like 2 x 2gb better than 4 x 1gb. But, both will work fine especially if you stick to a good brand and make sure your NB is adequately cooled. With that board and a 6600, DDR800 or so is plenty fast clocking at a 1:1 ratio. I would actually decide this based on price personally.
 
Originally posted by: MadScientist
OCZ Gold (2 x 1GB) $24.99 AR shipped Link Yeah, before someone says it, some people here do not like OCZ memory.
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People prize CPUs at the same rated speed with lower VID.

It's the exact opposite with OCZ RAMs. Did OCZ redefine the book in IC design? Great DDR2 800 RAMs should run well at rated speed with 1.8Vdimm and tight timing. Raising Vdimm to 2.0 should net +500MHz at 5-5-5-15 timing.

The most logical explanation is 1.8V DDR2 667 RAMs are relabeled as 2.1V DDR2 800 "overclocking" RAMs. These modules will probably have a difficult time posting at default JEDEC 1.8V and 400MHz speed.
 
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: MadScientist
OCZ Gold (2 x 1GB) $24.99 AR shipped Link Yeah, before someone says it, some people here do not like OCZ memory.
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People prize CPUs at the same rated speed with lower VID.

It's the exact opposite with OCZ RAMs. Did OCZ redefine the book in IC design? Great DDR2 800 RAMs should run well at rated speed with 1.8Vdimm and tight timing. Raising Vdimm to 2.0 should net +500MHz at 5-5-5-15 timing.

The most logical explanation is 1.8V DDR2 667 RAMs are relabeled as 2.1V DDR2 800 "overclocking" RAMs. These modules will probably have a difficult time posting at default JEDEC 1.8V and 400MHz speed.
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You are making less and less sense by the day.

OCZ does not make IC's. The 800 mhz are probably 667 overclocked. You are advising people to buy 667 and gamble they will overclock well?

Most people are better off buying modules that have a warranty and run at the speed they need.

What you tell people to do a.) voids their warranty, b.) is a gamble, c.) simply is vindictive towards another corporation your dislike.

Your message has become tired and worn, your personality hated. It is time for you to switch names again as you have done with all your other accounts over the years.

Have a great day.
 
Sure, your warranty is void that doesn't mean people don't do it.

You seem to lack the logic to understand this in your posts.

Overclocking/overvolting == voided warranty.

You also as always overlooked every bit of information I post and take out one piece of it.

EXTENT OF LIMITED WARRANTY
Intel does not warrant that the Product will be free from design defects or errors known as ?errata.? Current characterized errata
are available upon request. Further, this Limited Warranty does NOT cover:
? any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the Product including labor, installation or other costs incurred by
you, and in particular, any costs relating to the removal or replacement of any Product that is soldered or otherwise
permanently affixed to any printed circuit board; OR
? damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical,
mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions,
misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing; OR
? any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel?s publicly available specifications or where the original identification markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product.

FYI that section has been there since the Pentium 133 mhz.

Still is the same and your warranty still is void. Want to give any kind of facts ever?
 
Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: MadScientist
OCZ Gold (2 x 1GB) $24.99 AR shipped Link Yeah, before someone says it, some people here do not like OCZ memory.
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te
People prize CPUs at the same rated speed with lower VID.

It's the exact opposite with OCZ RAMs. Did OCZ redefine the book in IC design? Great DDR2 800 RAMs should run well at rated speed with 1.8Vdimm and tight timing. Raising Vdimm to 2.0 should net +500MHz at 5-5-5-15 timing.

The most logical explanation is 1.8V DDR2 667 RAMs are relabeled as 2.1V DDR2 800 "overclocking" RAMs. These modules will probably have a difficult time posting at default JEDEC 1.8V and 400MHz speed.
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You are making less and less sense by the day.

OCZ does not make IC's. The 800 mhz are probably 667 overclocked. You are advising people to buy 667 and gamble they will overclock well?

Most people are better off buying modules that have a warranty and run at the speed they need.

What you tell people to do a.) voids their warranty, b.) is a gamble, c.) simply is vindictive towards another corporation your dislike.

Your message has become tired and worn, your personality hated. It is time for you to switch names again as you have done with all your other accounts over the years.

Have a great day.
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I agree. Buy 1066memory if you want/need to run 1066Mhz and don't rely on 1000Mhz or 800Mhz memory to overclock with voltage. Especially not the 2GB modules or 4x1GB. Most 2GB sticks don't overclock as well as 1GB sticks and 4x1GB is a strain on the memory controller.
 
Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Sure, your warranty is void that doesn't mean people don't do it.

You seem to lack the logic to understand this in your posts.

Overclocking/overvolting == voided warranty.

You also as always overlooked every bit of information I post and take out one piece of it.

EXTENT OF LIMITED WARRANTY
Intel does not warrant that the Product will be free from design defects or errors known as ?errata.? Current characterized errata
are available upon request. Further, this Limited Warranty does NOT cover:
? any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the Product including labor, installation or other costs incurred by
you, and in particular, any costs relating to the removal or replacement of any Product that is soldered or otherwise
permanently affixed to any printed circuit board; OR
? damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical,
mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions,
misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing; OR
? any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel?s publicly available specifications or where the original identification markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product.

FYI that section has been there since the Pentium 133 mhz.

Still is the same and your warranty still is void. Want to give any kind of facts ever?
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For the mentally-challenged...

What's the difference between raising voltage and core speed of CPUs vs RAMs? A good chip will run well at low voltage and capable of much higher clock speed with a 10-15% bump in voltage.

Given two E2140s, one with 1.2 VID and one with 1.3 VID, which one is a better chip?

Given two E2140s, one stable @ 3.2GHz with 1.3Vcore and one stable @ 3.2GHz with 1.4Vcore, which one is a better chip?

Given two DDR2 800 RAMs, one stable @ 1.8V/400MHz/4-4-4-12 speed and one stable @ 2.1V/400MHz/4-4-4-12 speed, which one is a better chip?

Why pay for 2.1V OCZ DDR2 800 RAM scam when one can purchase quality Crucial or Kingston 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM?
 
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Sure, your warranty is void that doesn't mean people don't do it.

You seem to lack the logic to understand this in your posts.

Overclocking/overvolting == voided warranty.

You also as always overlooked every bit of information I post and take out one piece of it.

EXTENT OF LIMITED WARRANTY
Intel does not warrant that the Product will be free from design defects or errors known as ?errata.? Current characterized errata
are available upon request. Further, this Limited Warranty does NOT cover:
? any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the Product including labor, installation or other costs incurred by
you, and in particular, any costs relating to the removal or replacement of any Product that is soldered or otherwise
permanently affixed to any printed circuit board; OR
? damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical,
mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions,
misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing; OR
? any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel?s publicly available specifications or where the original identification markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product.

FYI that section has been there since the Pentium 133 mhz.

Still is the same and your warranty still is void. Want to give any kind of facts ever?
Click to expand...


For the mentally-challenged...

What's the difference between raising voltage and core speed of CPUs vs RAMs? A good chip will run well at low voltage and capable of much higher clock speed with a 10-15% bump in voltage.

Given two E2140s, one with 1.2 VID and one with 1.3 VID, which one is a better chip?

Given two E2140s, one stable @ 3.2GHz with 1.3Vcore and one stable @ 3.2GHz with 1.4Vcore, which one is a better chip?

Given two DDR2 800 RAMs, one stable @ 1.8V/400MHz/4-4-4-12 speed and one stable @ 2.1V/400MHz/4-4-4-12 speed, which one is a better chip?

Why pay for 2.1V OCZ DDR2 800 RAM scam when one can purchase quality Crucial or Kingston 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM?
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It doesn't matter. If it's rated for 2.1v then it's rated for 2.1v and it won't destroy your life to run it at it's rated voltage.
 
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Sure, your warranty is void that doesn't mean people don't do it.

You seem to lack the logic to understand this in your posts.

Overclocking/overvolting == voided warranty.

You also as always overlooked every bit of information I post and take out one piece of it.

EXTENT OF LIMITED WARRANTY
Intel does not warrant that the Product will be free from design defects or errors known as ?errata.? Current characterized errata
are available upon request. Further, this Limited Warranty does NOT cover:
? any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the Product including labor, installation or other costs incurred by
you, and in particular, any costs relating to the removal or replacement of any Product that is soldered or otherwise
permanently affixed to any printed circuit board; OR
? damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical,
mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions,
misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing; OR
? any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel?s publicly available specifications or where the original identification markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product.

FYI that section has been there since the Pentium 133 mhz.

Still is the same and your warranty still is void. Want to give any kind of facts ever?
Click to expand...


For the mentally-challenged...

What's the difference between raising voltage and core speed of CPUs vs RAMs? A good chip will run well at low voltage and capable of much higher clock speed with a 10-15% bump in voltage.

Given two E2140s, one with 1.2 VID and one with 1.3 VID, which one is a better chip?

Given two E2140s, one stable @ 3.2GHz with 1.3Vcore and one stable @ 3.2GHz with 1.4Vcore, which one is a better chip?

Given two DDR2 800 RAMs, one stable @ 1.8V/400MHz/4-4-4-12 speed and one stable @ 2.1V/400MHz/4-4-4-12 speed, which one is a better chip?

Why pay for 2.1V OCZ DDR2 800 RAM scam when one can purchase quality Crucial or Kingston 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM?
Click to expand...

It doesn't matter. If it's rated for 2.1v then it's rated for 2.1v and it won't destroy your life to run it at it's rated voltage.
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Ahh...okay. Heat is good. More heat is better. Smart. Very smart.

Why migrate to 45nm when we could run @ 65nm and rate it for higher voltage? That will surely impress the noobs!
 
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