Releasing Torture documents

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Actually, everyone who KNEW and was of higher rank should be held responsible but those not knowing should not be. I don't get how that would be cherry picking.

Of higher rank? Are you fucking kidding? Tell me you think there is a senator who was naive to it. FFS it was all over the news. Hell, even staffers knew.

You don't get how this works, people of lower rank may complain but if no action is taken by those of higher rank then it's done with their permission.

Some techniques lead to the death of more than 30 people with the good mind of everyone in the chain of command, no one was ever charged even though it was well documented.

Some techniques led to oxygen deprevation to a degree where they are basically in a coma, some others led to paralysation.

Of course, waterboarding isn't torture so that couldn't have caused it, it just fucking happened all of a sudden.

There are hundreds of people in the chain of command who knew about this, all the way up to the final reports that were handed to the MI6 and the UK PM as well as the US admin.

I think you misunderstood what I said, but thanks for the explaination. Let me restate it in case you missed it:

Including the senate who funded it.

Obviously Im not saying whoever KNEW what was going on should be prosecuted. But whoever had a part in it should. All or nothing. In the same way as if I sent money to some dude in another state to pay for meth supplies, and payed rent on the house he used to make it in I would be criminally liable.

And AFAIK there are no immediate plans of closure. As late as May of this year the senate voted to NOT fund the release of prisoners to the US.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

AQ don't forget was taking Iraqi kids faces off with piano wire (not that any of you would care about that)

You don't defeat evil by becoming the evil you seek to defeat. Obviously, it's too late for that lesson in your case. :|

You also don't defeat evil with sending them milk and cookies. Being their friend and jerking them off then send them to Bahamas or U.S. Prisons. BHO has emboldened the Bad guys of the world against us by showing his yellow stripe down his back.


Let's just go back to Pre 9/11 mentality...

Ignoring for a moment how stupid of an argument it is to suggest that the only alternative to torturing prisoners is giving them milk and cookies, I don't see a lot of evidence to suggest that the "post-9/11" mentality is a big improvement over the "pre-9/11" mentality. It gives politicians another emotional button to push to make you do what they want without thinking about it too hard, it's made patriotism into a feeling you can have with a $3.50 flag bumper sticker, and up until the current economic problems, it's taken the majority of our national focus, shaping all our foreign and domestic security policy around a handful of idiots who got lucky. And all it's cost us is our ethical standards and civil liberties.

I would GLADLY go back to a pre-9/11 mentality. Even if it resulted in a slightly increased risk of terrorist attacks, the threat just isn't big enough to justify shaping our entire country around it. And the great thing is, we don't even have to make that trade-off. The most invasive changes we've made as part of the "post-9/11" way of thinking have done NOTHING to increase our security.

It's ironic that terrorism is referred to as a major threat to freedom and democracy...when the real harm to those two institutions is coming from the "post-9/11 mentality" we've embraced in order to fight the terrorists.

Funny I think after BHO has unleashed the hounds of leftists in the government and the medias cooperation we are alomost back to pre 9/11 mentality. Lets face it BHO is ultra weak on foreign policy and we are going to see more chaos due to our percieved weakness. Bad thing is WHEN we get hit again you better belive BHO Rahm and the Clintonista will make a huge power grab which will makes Bush's Patriot Act look like a cub scout exercise.

Seeing into the future and reading terrorists' minds to justify your argument isn't what I'd call a strong position. Especially since it's not really clear to me that Bush's cowboy approach to national security served us any better than Obama's supposed weakness.

And in any case, perception is WAY more important to talking heads on TV than it is to the actual enemies of this country. Protecting America is about substance, not image. If Obama can come up with policies that fight terrorism without catering to the Jack Bauer crowd, I'd say that's a step in the right direction.

Harvey take another pill. KSM deserves punishnment anyway you look at it. Death is to good for him. Didn't Obama say he was gonna close Gitmo ASAP? I guess it does serve purpose then. I'm sure milk and cookies are effective if you show him the torture chamber in the next room! Hell even Libs on 9/12 were asking why we were not doing more to protect us.

Peace out,

EX

A lot of people were asking for the government to do more to protect us...I guess they should have been more specific. Here it turns out that some old, irritating sayings are true, and working smarter really is better than working harder. We had all the information necessary to stop 9/11 before it happened, just not enough manpower to run down all the information and do the proper follow-up...so naturally post 9/11 thinking passed lots of laws making it much easier to gather all sorts of unneeded information, because the secret to finding a needle in a haystack is to pile a lot more hay on top.

But don't worry, I'm sure tough talk on the Internet has bin Laden shaking in his cave...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I'll wait for the actual content of the documents to be released before immediately jumping to a conclusion, as certain people have done in here. A reading of Greenwald's story doesn't actually make it clear who it was that sliced this guy's genitals, though he does seem to try his best to imply it was people in the CIA.

If it's the case that it was the CIA then it definitely constitutes torture and the individuals involved should be tried for their crimes.

If it just meant whacking the testicles until it hurt too much would that be torture?

Do you even know the meaning of the word torture?

Could i make you confess to commiting a murder that you did not know about without leaving a mark on you body?

Could i do that in less than one hour?

I'd use a pillow and water and it would take me less than five minutes to get you to confess to anything i want you to confess.

Painful torture isn't really effective, knowint that you are about to die unless you confess IS, that is why waterboarding works while using a soldering iron does not.

WTF are you talking about? Are you so eager to be a confrontational asshat of a bully in P&N that you constantly have to shove words down people's throats, building men of straw in the process?

ah heck off until you can learn how to communicate with people instead of constantly puffing up your chest and pretending to be some cock of the walk.

We are discussing torture so ... no strawman.

I'm TELLING you what torture entails and how it usually works.

If you find that offensive, i'm not really the go to guy but if you want to protest it i'll be happey to give you his name.

I don't give a shit what you're TELLING me. I'm pretty confident I could get you to confess by taking a scalpel to your genitals too. So what?

You didn't address anything I actually stated either. Slicing genitals qualifies as torture. There's no way around that so your puffery about what you could do is pure, meaningless claptrap. The only one who cares what you could do is you.

You also ignore that we don't actually know who did what at this point so everyone in here pointing fingers is being a bit premature. That's nothing new in this place though.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Actually, everyone who KNEW and was of higher rank should be held responsible but those not knowing should not be. I don't get how that would be cherry picking.

Of higher rank? Are you fucking kidding? Tell me you think there is a senator who was naive to it. FFS it was all over the news. Hell, even staffers knew.

You don't get how this works, people of lower rank may complain but if no action is taken by those of higher rank then it's done with their permission.

Some techniques lead to the death of more than 30 people with the good mind of everyone in the chain of command, no one was ever charged even though it was well documented.

Some techniques led to oxygen deprevation to a degree where they are basically in a coma, some others led to paralysation.

Of course, waterboarding isn't torture so that couldn't have caused it, it just fucking happened all of a sudden.

There are hundreds of people in the chain of command who knew about this, all the way up to the final reports that were handed to the MI6 and the UK PM as well as the US admin.

I think you misunderstood what I said, but thanks for the explaination. Let me restate it in case you missed it:

Including the senate who funded it.

Obviously Im not saying whoever KNEW what was going on should be prosecuted. But whoever had a part in it should. All or nothing. In the same way as if I sent money to some dude in another state to pay for meth supplies, and payed rent on the house he used to make it in I would be criminally liable.

And AFAIK there are no immediate plans of closure. As late as May of this year the senate voted to NOT fund the release of prisoners to the US.

You have to understand that anyone who isn't getting MI will not know, the senate in the US and the Parlament in the UK did not know anything but what they were told by Tony and George or their representatives at that time. I completely agree with all or nothiing, no fucking greyscales. If they KNEW and participated after knowing, they should fucking pay for that.

The prisoners are being moved out and there are negotiations with at least five nations, most of them are going to stand trial in the US though.

Perhaps i shouldn't say that but it's how it is and i doubt i can get in more trouble than i am in at this point.

 

[Dari]

Torture is too strong a word for feeling the guy up with an instrument.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: EXman

Harvey take another pill. KSM deserves punishnment anyway you look at it. Death is to good for him.

KSM may deserve punishment, but NO human being deserves to be tortured, and I don't need a pill to know that anyone who commits, supports, condones or attempts excuses torture is an unethical, immoral sub-human piece of shit. I guess you're telling that includes you.

Didn't Obama say he was gonna close Gitmo ASAP? I guess it does serve purpose then.

I'm sure you don't know your ass from that hole in the groound you keep digging. You can try to distort the facts as much as you wish, but what we do know is that Obama has tried to close Guantanamo, and he has found that there are logistical problems to deal with that have taken longer than he anticipated.

That's not the same as the crimes of your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal setting up their illegal prison and torturing their captives.

I'm sure milk and cookies are effective if you show him the torture chamber in the next room!

WTF??? You're the jackass who posted in this very thread:

Originally posted by: EXman

You also don't defeat evil with sending them milk and cookies. Being their friend and jerking them off then send them to Bahamas or U.S. Prisons. BHO has emboldened the Bad guys of the world against us by showing his yellow stripe down his back.

Hell even Libs on 9/12 were asking why we were not doing more to protect us.

The better question is, why your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal weren't paying attention when they were warned BEFORE 9-11 and why they did everything they could to damage our defenses... and they succeeded.

Peace out

I peace all over your peace poor understanding of the word, peace. :thumbsdown: :|

wow you get so bent outta shape!

Peace through strength,

EX

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

and a weak one

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

Are you high? Really? Funding criminal activity isnt illegal? Got a link?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Are you high? Really? Funding criminal activity isnt illegal? Got a link?

Dont be retarded. We know you like this torture stuff and are just trying to create a strawman "omgwtfbbq lets imprison congress!"

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

Are you high? Really? Funding criminal enterprises isnt illegal?

Actually, he is correct unless you want to incriminate yourself as a taxpayer funding this.

I suppose you can argue that but it'd be as daft as arguing that the Congress or Parlament had sufficient knowledge on an issue that was pushed and at the time presented as urgent.

You have to realise that this was a fucking bag of lies that was pushed through both US Congress and UK Parlament fast because if investigated it would have been a no. Tony Blair ORDERED MI6 to come up with supporting evidence and they certainly did, the US used decade old evidence and renewed it but there is NO doubt in my mind that NO ONE in the UK nor the US admin did not know that Iraq was pretty much just a piss poor nation without any military capability and had no means of attacking anyone at all.

That is probably why my team (first on ground) was ordered to leave the UN bunkers unsecured so there would be at least SOME WMD's they could use to attack us ground soldiers with. Unfortunantly those were so old they were not functional anymore.

It does tell you what they wanted though, fuck soldiers, anything goes if you need to be right.

I would like to see each of them, both British and US, hanged in public.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay

You can't prove they or he didn't volunteer to have or even request a vasectomy.

Did you forget the < sarcasm > < /sarcasm > tags, or is that the answer to question 5 on the test for your stupidity license? :roll:

I kinda think there is more to come, what do you think?

Or an adult circumcision?

Stop thinking about my penis.

I meant more revelations for the public.

:brokenheart:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay

You can't prove they or he didn't volunteer to have or even request a vasectomy.

Did you forget the < sarcasm > < /sarcasm > tags, or is that the answer to question 5 on the test for your stupidity license? :roll:

I kinda think there is more to come, what do you think?

Or an adult circumcision?

Stop thinking about my penis.

I meant more revelations for the public.

:brokenheart:

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

Are you high? Really? Funding criminal activity isnt illegal? Got a link?

Unless they passed a bill providing $xx dollars specifically to torture, they didn't do anything wrong.

Does every state legislature get arrested for funding their state police force, when a state trooper breaks the law. I didn't think so.

Does Congress get arrested for paying Halliburton, when they are committing fraud? I don't think so.

I don't know where you got that idea, but is totally wrong.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

Are you high? Really? Funding criminal activity isnt illegal? Got a link?

Unless they passed a bill providing $xx dollars specifically to torture, they didn't do anything wrong.

Does every state legislature get arrested for funding their state police force, when a state trooper breaks the law. I didn't think so.

Does Congress get arrested for paying Halliburton, when they are committing fraud? I don't think so.

I don't know where you got that idea, but is totally wrong.

Regarding Halliburton, they have a lot of security forces but they have NO law to follow, not in the nation they are in nor are they responsible to the nation they are from even when ON BASE.

They are twats with guns and no ROE. This kind of shit is new to this war and it should be fucking ended as fast as possible because i can tell you that soldiers are tired of clinging to the dirt as those twats pass by.

If they were to open fire and kill 50 soldiers they could not be charged as it stands today, they raped and beat a woman who will never be the same again... Why not just export them to the Talibans, same fucking people those two groups.

Either that or hang them in public, not a big drop, i want to see them struggling before they die.

 

[Generator]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


That is probably why my team (first on ground) was ordered to leave the UN bunkers unsecured so there would be at least SOME WMD's they could use to attack us ground soldiers with.

Holy shit that's quite the allegation.

But back to the story is this how we treat our allies? We castrate them? Have we become so ignorant and so brazen that we go around torturing anybody? Where were the British when all this went down? It seems we got alot to learn in America concerning freedom from the Redcoats. Don't torture, but if you do...let the stupid Americans shame themselves first.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

Are you high? Really? Funding criminal activity isnt illegal? Got a link?

Unless they passed a bill providing $xx dollars specifically to torture, they didn't do anything wrong.

Does every state legislature get arrested for funding their state police force, when a state trooper breaks the law. I didn't think so.

Does Congress get arrested for paying Halliburton, when they are committing fraud? I don't think so.

I don't know where you got that idea, but is totally wrong.

But it DOES, in fact, provide specific funding for GITMO to fund its...operations.

Now mind you, Im arguing on the Harveys of the world who say it was a deliberate operation to torture, and not, as your examples would represent, a rogue few. Big difference there.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

There are plenty of people here that have supported all sorts of torture for the past 4+ years. From the " they are just terroristsand have no rights" defense, to the "waterboarding isn't torture, since we aren't hurting them" defense. Do a search, I'm sure you you will find plenty of people supporting the torture of terrorists.

So I'm waiting to see people make excuses/defenses of yet another new revelation. They defend waterboarding, why not this?

And from the responses so far, plenty of people are either ignoring or playing it down. Guess we know the answer.

I don't care who did it. Everyone involved need to charged and prosecuted. Dem, Rep, Martian, whatever.

So do you support prosecution for all involved? Well?

Sure. If it includes everyone. Including the senate who funded it. But if people are going to be cherry picked, which is really what most people want, then no. Leave it alone.

Given that Congress isn't in the Chain of Command, i don't see how Congress could be charged.

At best, if members were briefed on it before hand, would not saying anything to stop it constitute a crime? (serious question) i would think that would be only thing.

Certainly funding isn't a qualifier for prosecution, that's just BS. That is just a smoke screen to try to get this ignored and swept under the rug.

Are you high? Really? Funding criminal activity isnt illegal? Got a link?

Unless they passed a bill providing $xx dollars specifically to torture, they didn't do anything wrong.

Does every state legislature get arrested for funding their state police force, when a state trooper breaks the law. I didn't think so.

Does Congress get arrested for paying Halliburton, when they are committing fraud? I don't think so.

I don't know where you got that idea, but is totally wrong.

Regarding Halliburton, they have a lot of security forces but they have NO law to follow, not in the nation they are in nor are they responsible to the nation they are from even when ON BASE.

They are twats with guns and no ROE. This kind of shit is new to this war and it should be fucking ended as fast as possible because i can tell you that soldiers are tired of clinging to the dirt as those twats pass by.

If they were to open fire and kill 50 soldiers they could not be charged as it stands today, they raped and beat a woman who will never be the same again... Why not just export them to the Talibans, same fucking people those two groups.

Either that or hang them in public, not a big drop, i want to see them struggling before they die.

Private security firms operating in a war theater is not a new thing. In fact, the 3rd Geneva Convention from 1949 specifically addresses this issue. And Haliburton certainly may be the most famous, but it isnt the lone wolf. Youre a Brit, certainly you know the history of Sandline?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So slicing a guy's balls is not torture somehow? I'll leave it to the neocon trolls here to come up with excuses for this.

Seems like the only "troll" here is the OP unless he can show where a "neocon" has stated that slicing genitals isn't "torture".

to give you some energy for your search...

He said he'd leave it up to them to come up with excuses - not that they've done so already

 

[JSt0rm]

"But before the decision was released, the Court decided to redact those seven paragraphs. And in February, 2009, it issued a new ruling explaining its reason to conceal those paragraphs: the Bush administration had issued what the Court called a "threat" that the U.S. would reduce or even eliminate intelligence-sharing with the British if those paragraphs were made public. In other words, British officials needed a reason to tell the High Court that British national security would be jeopardized if those paragraphs were made public, and Bush officials obliged by threatening that the U.S. would withhold information about terrorist plots aimed at British citizens in the future if this information were disclosed. "

wtf man. The entire bush administration needs to be tried for treason.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay

You can't prove they or he didn't volunteer to have or even request a vasectomy.

Did you forget the < sarcasm > < /sarcasm > tags, or is that the answer to question 5 on the test for your stupidity license? :roll:

I can't find how to make a 'sarcasm' tag? Is it an emote?

Edit: My initial reaction to the OP was; exactly what occurred... and under what authority did it occur and for what purpose did it occur.

I don't know if we can prove any element above but suspect evidence exists to suggest.
I'm still stuck on the last thread about Gitmo torture and IF I'd sanction it to save American Lives... I think my current postion is that I would sanction anything if two criteria were met... They are: I was positive that the individual was a bad guy and in possession of information that would save American lives and two, That my decision did not adversely affect any other person not in concert with my directive from a moral or any basis.

You can opine about what or how that is not American or what ever but to me... The Bin Ladens have crossed over the threshold where they represent human life forms.. they are bugs!... look like humans but act like spiders.. IF that makes me like them ok... fight fire with fire... IF I'm a spider... they'd better be aware of how a spider works cuz I'd be a pretty good one with one objective...

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I was positive that the individual was a bad guy and in possession of information that would save American lives

How could you be positive of this?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
"But before the decision was released, the Court decided to redact those seven paragraphs. And in February, 2009, it issued a new ruling explaining its reason to conceal those paragraphs: the Bush administration had issued what the Court called a "threat" that the U.S. would reduce or even eliminate intelligence-sharing with the British if those paragraphs were made public. In other words, British officials needed a reason to tell the High Court that British national security would be jeopardized if those paragraphs were made public, and Bush officials obliged by threatening that the U.S. would withhold information about terrorist plots aimed at British citizens in the future if this information were disclosed. "

wtf man. The entire bush administration needs to be tried for treason.

Congrats, troll. Partisan reading skills ftw.

Naturally you feel the same about the Obama administration as well?

Throughout 2009, Mohamed's lawyers, as well as various international newspapers, repeatedly petitioned the British High Court to re-visit its decision on the ground that the Obama administration had replaced the Bush administration, and surely the anti-torture Obama would never embrace or maintain the same threat. But, obviously in conjunction with British officials, the Obama administration took numerous steps to convey to the British High Court that they were indeed re-iterating the same Bush threats, including:

 

[JSt0rm]

yes I do you pathetic fuck. Obama needs to let this shit unravel. To many back room people whispering in his ear. Anyone condoning this type of action should face the consequences.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
yes I do you pathetic fuck. Obama needs to let this shit unravel. To many back room people whispering in his ear. Anyone condoning this type of action should face the consequences.

What "shit?"

As I've been saying in this thread multiple times already, there are many jumping to conclusions in this thread when the facts are not in yet. You don't know what the "shit" even really entails yet and the first thing you do is spout your usual partisan rhetoric in this forum.

So tell everyone again who's the pathetic fuck?