Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[BreakArms]

Breaking...FISC court is clarifying that each warrant and subsequent renewal was approved by four separate FISA judges.

Also, I'm seeing tweets that Senator Burr (Senate Intel Committee) was denied access to the memo, is refusing to comment, but is PISSED at Nunes and Ryan??? Anyone confirming????

Why does it matter who granted the warrants? It sounds like based on the information that was in requests, it should have been approved. The question isn't why were warrants given, but why was the FBI/DOJ purposely falsifying the warrant requests.

 

[UNCjigga]

The meat, if the memo's claims are true, is that the Mueller investigation occurred because and only because (as Wray said), the Dossier. Again though, there's going to be a lot of back and forth in the next week or so and we'll probably see shots fired from both sides before we can possibly know for sure.

That is patently false.

The Nunes memo acknowledges a separate counter-intelligence operation based on Papadopoulos that had nothing to do with the dossier and started before the dossier was compiled.

Also, didn't the Mueller investigation start because Trump fired Comey?

 

[jackstar7]

Yeah, sorry to ruin the echo chamber you folks have going on here for many years now, but the memo might not be as explosive as it was made out to be, just saying wait and see what happens in the next week or so.

Wut?

 

[jackstar7]

Steele went to Yahoo News? lmao(That is bad judgement). I find the part about Strozk moving from counter intelligence division to HR because of a text with a mistress. I am surprised he didn't get fired, he must have some dirt on some people on inside at the FBI!

But the reality is that his memo is showing bad judgement by the FBI for taking the DNC info as pure gold. It seems that somewhere in the process the checks and balances would have caught this before it reached FISA.

I imagine the big beef with this in the Democratic circles is that it appears they coerced the FBI into a Russian investigation over a bogus memo and that Steele was doing everything he could to prevent Trump from being elected. That ties Russia, DNC, FBI decisions all together. The puppet masters being the DNC.

There are so many leaps of logic here.

I mean, I know it's hard to avoid sharp objects lest the bubble burst... but wow.

This is the five Ds really in action.
Dodge, Duck, Dive, Dip, and Dodge.

Or, better still, use quotes from the memo to lay out why you reach the conclusions that you just posted in what I quoted. I think we'd all like to get that insight into your hot take here.

 

[vi edit]

Wut?

Fox News is a hell of a drug. *SNIFF*

 

[BreakArms]

That is patently false.

The Nunes memo acknowledges a separate counter-intelligence operation based on Papadopoulos that had nothing to do with the dossier and started before the dossier was compiled.

Also, didn't the Mueller investigation start because Trump fired Comey?

McCabe (sorry I said Wray above) testified to congress that the warrants against Page wouldn't have been possible without the dossier.

 

[jackstar7]

McCabe (sorry I said Wray above) testified to congress that the warrants against Page wouldn't have been possible without the dossier.

What's wrong with the dossier exactly?

Most of it has been corroborated, right?

 

[Pens1566]

McCabe (sorry I said Wray above) testified to congress that the warrants against Page wouldn't have been possible without the dossier.

Correction, he testified that the approvals would likely not have been possible without the INFORMATION that was contained in the dossier. It's already been established elsewhere via the FBI and subsequently corroborated with the dossier. It's an important distinction. Remember, Page was a subject (and so was PapaD) prior the dossier.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

McCabe (sorry I said Wray above) testified to congress that the warrants against Page wouldn't have been possible without the dossier.

Let's do this the easy way. Can you show me McCabe's testimony to this effect?

 

[dyna]

What's wrong with the dossier exactly?

Most of it has been corroborated, right?

Did you even read the memo? It clearly states it was not.

 

[BreakArms]

What's wrong with the dossier exactly?

Most of it has been corroborated, right?

No, no claims made in the dossier have been proven.

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/5/16845704/steele-dossier-russia-trump

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Correction, he testified that the approvals would likely not have been possible without the INFORMATION that was contained in the dossier. It's already been established elsewhere via the FBI and subsequently corroborated with the dossier. It's an important distinction. Remember, Page was a subject (and so was PapaD) prior the dossier.

You'd think someone would point out that the information being painted was incomplete or misleading before this was released with points like that...

 

[UNCjigga]

McCabe (sorry I said Wray above) testified to congress that the warrants against Page wouldn't have been possible without the dossier.

Like I said, I'd leave it to McCabe to provide context on that statement... something seems off there.

Also, none of that has anything to do with Mueller, who didn't even have his job until May 17 of last year.

 

[BreakArms]

Let's do this the easy way. Can you show me McCabe's testimony to this effect?

That's why i'm saying wait and see, because that tidbit comes from the memo itself.

 

[Pens1566]

No, no claims made in the dossier have been proven.

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/5/16845704/steele-dossier-russia-trump

Uh, you can say the entirety of the dossier hasn't been proven, but you can't say "no claims made" have been proven. It's just patently false. Rosneft deal, Page, etc.. All corroborated elsewhere. And more every week.

 

[UberNeuman]

Lol... Sweet desperation is the order of the day, you keep going BustedAnus!

 

[pauldun170]

In order to fully understand the purpose of this memo, tune in to Foxnews.
Just take it all in....

 

[UNCjigga]

Did you even read the memo? It clearly states it was not.

Wrong, the memo clearly states part of the dossier was corroborated by the FBI by October 2016. So it may not have been for the initial warrant, but some portion was for renewals.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That's why i'm saying wait and see, because that tidbit comes from the memo itself.

You've been stating these things as fact. Your words were McCabe testified to congress that the dossier was why they got the warrants. He testified in a closed session. perhaps that's one of the misleading things others have been expressing concern about?

My point is you say wait and see while stating things as fact that you can't support.

 

[dyna]

Wrong, the memo clearly states part of the dossier was corroborated by the FBI by October 2016. So it may not have been for the initial warrant, but some portion was for renewals.

Read again, section 4 of the memo.

 

[Jhhnn]

The meat, if the memo's claims are true, is that the Mueller investigation occurred because and only because (as Wray said), the Dossier. Again though, there's going to be a lot of back and forth in the next week or so and we'll probably see shots fired from both sides before we can possibly know for sure.

Quote Wray.

 

[fskimospy]

The meat, if the memo's claims are true, is that the Mueller investigation occurred because and only because (as Wray said), the Dossier. Again though, there's going to be a lot of back and forth in the next week or so and we'll probably see shots fired from both sides before we can possibly know for sure.

The memo actually claims exactly the opposite. It says that the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign happened because of the actions of Papadopulous.

 

[fskimospy]

Read again, section 4 of the memo.

Direct quote from memo section 5:

The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.

 

[dyna]

Direct quote from memo section 5:

Are we reading the same memo? Section 4 says that "an independent unit within the FBI assessed Steel's reporting as only minimally corroborated." It also says that on June 2017 Comey called the Dossier was "Salacious and unverified."

Please tell me how that means that the majority of the Dossier is corroborated?

 

[UNCjigga]

Read again, section 4 of the memo.

4) According to the head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application [October 2016]. After Steele was terminated [sometime after October 30, 2016], a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated.

You're right, I could be wrong about the timelines as they aren't clearly delineated. Need to know when Steele was terminated and when the validation report was prepared, but it is possible that report would have been available prior to the last renewal in 2017.