I wonder what the Palestinians would have to say about Jews turning the desert into "gardens of Eden".
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Turkish
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Tell that to millions of Palestanians that were forced to relocate by Jews.
Oh wait, maybe tell that to millions of Palestanians children whose parents were killed by Israel.
Oh and its quite amusing how you keep talking about the Jews but never say a word about the millions killed in Germany, by Christians. You're really good!
More and more, you stick into a pile of mud.
The draft is the same as slavery - isn't there an amendment against that? There are plenty that just want to sit on their arses (certainly don't want them as draftees either - I wouldn't want to depend on them to watch my back). As long as the rest of us aren't taxed to allow them the luxury of doing so, it's fine with me. But of course we are being taxed for just that now - so tell me, what was that you are fighting for again???
America has needed a wake-up call for a long time - we've had it much too easy. Of course this wake-up call might (will probably in my view) also present a nexus - down one road lies more freedom than Americans have experienced since the early 1900s, down the other (where we've been headed for some time, IMO) lies tyranny. Let us hope that there are enough left with the clarity to see the correct path before it's too late...
.bh.
America has needed a wake-up call for a long time - we've had it much too easy. Of course this wake-up call might (will probably in my view) also present a nexus - down one road lies more freedom than Americans have experienced since the early 1900s, down the other (where we've been headed for some time, IMO) lies tyranny. Let us hope that there are enough left with the clarity to see the correct path before it's too late...
.bh.
People are wrong about all sorts of things. Why are you so concerned about this in particular?
I would think the world has gone mad.
This is where you are wrong, Vietnam suffered from the Media, not from the draft. Look at the media, most recently the elections, Dan Rather of CBS helped try to falsify Bush's militray record to discredit him. The Media plays politics, and unfortunatly, most americans are hood winked into this idea also. I am enlisting my self as a chaplin in the Army, to help over there. I see this war as good and just, why should we sit here why the world is destroyed. Also those of you that dislike Bush, you had a vote, and your man didn't win. American's choose, just becasue you do not support Bush doen't give you the right to tear down the leader of America. Bush wont both electorial and popular votes, while the democrats filed for law suits all over the place and were over ruled. America must approve of what is really going on over there, other wise we'd have John Kerry *shudders*
You can say that as many times as you want, it's not going to make it true. The media has shown Iraq in a similar light as Vietnam, although unlike some people, I don't think this reflects bias as much as it does their detractors' inability to face reality. But public reaction to Iraq, although growing fairly negative, has not reached the nation shattering levels of the Vietnam era. Ask anyone from that time what makes the difference, and it won't be that Fox News is now out there, portraying "the truth" as their viewers would like it to be, it's that the war in Iraq is being fought be people who volunteered to fight in combat. It's a tragedy when they lose their lives (or something to sweep aside in favor of cheery images of soldiers rebuilding a school), but for better or worse, they died doing what they believed in. In Vietnam, we had the same unpleasant news of dead people in uniform, but instead of it being someone who had dedicated their life to the military, it was peoples' boyfriends and buddies who were forced to give their lives for a war many didn't believe in. If you think that doesn't make a difference, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, the whole debate is pointless. Unless there is some drastically urgent need for manpower, nobody with any brains in the military WANTS draftees anymore (no jab at the OP intended, he clearly isn't high enough rank in the military to have any opinion about this). They lower the morale of the force, and what else do you expect from people who don't want to be there? Forcing people to do things against their will is not a great way to get results in any profession.
My guess is all positive since they seem to want them! They should build their own and quit trying to get the libs of the world to give them the ones the Jews built.
Originally posted by: Turkish
Tell that to millions of Palestanians that were forced to relocate by Jews.
Oh wait, maybe tell that to millions of Palestanians children whose parents were killed by Israel.
Oh and its quite amusing how you keep talking about the Jews but never say a word about the millions killed in Germany, by Christians. You're really good!
More and more, you stick into a pile of mud.
Don't believe NAZI's could be classed as christians. Your ignorance really shines. If memory, American and Russian soldiers stopped that and then put the partners of the NAZI's from the Middle East out of what is now Israel and gave it to the Jews. You should read more and post less.
The libs always overlook the obvious. They slam the war and our soldiers and forget that most of them believe in what they are doing and believe in their Commander in Chief. What they forget is that there is still a very silent majority and that some 130k troops are in Iraq at any time slice. Those troops are being constantly moved in and out. That means that in a given year, perhaps 300k move throught the area. Those possible 300k all have friends and relatives that they express themselves to. Say each troop has a dozen good friends that aren't in the service and possibly some thirty family members.That means that they influence the vote of some 12,600,000 voters directly. Our troops are very much into the techie world and probably read everything posted in forums like this. They form their opinions from what they read and pass those on with some fervor. Their friends and family listen. Guess which party won't see most of that 12,600,000 votes?
Message for the libs: Keep up the great work boys and girls!
Actually, Kerry conceeded as soon as he knew there were fewer uncounted ballots than the margin of Bush's victory in Ohio. Now there were lots of lawsuits in 2000 in Florida. But you want to know who filed the first one? Oh yeah, it was the Republicans, not the Democrats. They were trying to stop any recount even before it started. Even though Florida law specifically allows for a manual recount to be requested. Unfortunately, Florida law didn't set any standards for how to determine if a vote was placed or not when using punch card technology, so eventually the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped all of the recounts mainly due to lack of a standard.
Also, regardless of who I may have voted for or currently support, the Constitution of the US gives me the right to tear down the leader of the country all I want.
I thought Kerry acted very respectably in that single instance and was very surprised that he did. For a microsecond, I liked him. Glad that's over!
More freedom in the early 1900's? You don't read much, do you? Don't6 get out much either is my guess.
Actully America in the ealy 20th century was a free place, alot more than it is today. You could have land, and money, with out being told its wrong. You didn't have the governent stepping on your toes 24/7 telling you no. I agree America is on a downhill sprial, that will ruin us, the last step is to hand over our freedom to the UN to control. An idea the liberal media very much supports, but I do say this, the day my freedoms are regulated by some dictator in another land, that is the day I stop being an American and become a freedom figher. Better is it to die fighting for a cause than to die with no purpose in life.
Of course the Nazis were Christians. Hitler was a radical Christian. You don't even have to read. Rent Sophie's Choice, or Schindler's List.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Right, Nazis weren't Christians. Uh huh. Yeah...OK then, genius.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Right, Nazis weren't Christians. Uh huh. Yeah...OK then, genius.
What a stupid thing to say.
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity"
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains"
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains"
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity"
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains"
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains"
Shell of Insanity,
. Now you see why I don't bother with OT or P&N very often - they are populated with morons that have no concept of what real freedom is, and never fail fo descend to ad hominem rather than trying to make a rational, fact-based argument for their case. IAC, that is quite difficult as there is almost always no factual evidence on their side, only valueless emotion and intention. There is no way to persuade the emotional/irrational person, no amount of fact-based evidence can convince them. So I don't bother...
I enlisted during the Viet Nam era (my hitch was from '68-'72) so I know what it is to voluntarily choose to put one's life in harm's way.
.bh.
. Now you see why I don't bother with OT or P&N very often - they are populated with morons that have no concept of what real freedom is, and never fail fo descend to ad hominem rather than trying to make a rational, fact-based argument for their case. IAC, that is quite difficult as there is almost always no factual evidence on their side, only valueless emotion and intention. There is no way to persuade the emotional/irrational person, no amount of fact-based evidence can convince them. So I don't bother...
I enlisted during the Viet Nam era (my hitch was from '68-'72) so I know what it is to voluntarily choose to put one's life in harm's way.
.bh.
umbrella39
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Depends a lot on your perspective. You could get hung for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You could be selectively punished just for skin color. You could get sick and die before anyone could find any sort of medical help. My opinion is that things are a lot better now. Not nearly as wild and way too civilized, but certainly better.
Don't think of yourself as unique. I had eight years and three months in. The odd three months were to complete my time in Nam.
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