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Lifer
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Because Canadian TVs should broadcast sports or programs that don't interest Canadians, like American football, WWF, how to murder a man that enters your areal property to ask an address, how to be a good ol' pro-war-no-matter-what president (by lying), how to fight wars that doesn't help anyone but your corporate buddies, messing up of a perfectly working economy with a trade surplus, promotion of paid health care, etc.
:thumbsup: :roll:
Gotta ask though, as another person that has lived in many countries, I am surpised to see you so naive. Were you by any chance seated in front of the typewriter/keyboard to type nonsense to be distributed to the people of that country, explaining freedom through hypocrisy?
Turkish
Lifer
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if you knew anything about this at all, you would realize that it was US who decided to intervene in afghanistan? Afghanistan was solidly in the soviet sphere, after all, it was the governemnt of afghanistan thank ASKED for soviet troops. But you can have your "history", since it makes you feel good.
you have absolutely NO clue regarding the history of Afghanistan. I can assure you that I am better versed in their real history than you will ever be. Afghanistan was never "solidly in the Soviet sphere" as you so ignorantly put it. You may have been more accurate if you had said "Kabul was solidly in the Soviet sphere..." but you didnt... you are wrong.
I dont have "my" histroy of Afghanistan, I know THE history of Afghanistan and all of their conflicts going back several hundred years.
I promise you that you will lose if you challenge my knowledge of their history... and lose badly.
Anyways, back on topic...
The draft has its pros and cons, but I have been taught since birth to respect my Country. If I had been drafted instead of enlisting, I still would have fulfilled my obligations to the government that has given my family and myself so many opportunities. There are many who would serve regardless of their personal feelings on the war in Iraq. They would do so for the sake of the men and women fighting next to them, and they would do so out of loyalty and respect for their country.
I can see that this P&N board has very few of those with the moral fortitude to fulfill their obligations. That's just sad if you ask me... our country has certainly grown soft since the 1940's.
Were you NOT, as an American, taught that the freedom of expression and choice is one of the core values of this country? I cannot believe, as a non-American, I am defending this against you.
A life-lesson for you: values that you were taught may not be the same ones as what others were taught. A true democratic civilization is one that promotes the equal assessment of all citizens' values. Not just yours. If you believe otherwise, you should also believe that America is not a true democracy.
Turkish
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...
If you fight as well as you caught Osama then we're not worried.
it took five years to find one redneck in North Carolina under Democratic leadership. Osama is a bit harder to find and is someplace besides our backyard so it may take a little longer.
sure, cause I am sure catching Osama was left to the north carolina sheriff's department with their limited budget :roll:
Turkish
Lifer
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1. american military may be the best equipped military but is by no means the best trained.
2. adding "just curious" to the end of your post doesn't make you smarter.
3. stop changing your questions. if you want to ask a new question, create a new post, or edit your other post, noting under the original question. may give you some credibility even though you already lost it all at the SS thread.
Turkish
Lifer
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sure, cause building a school when destroying hundreds is good. and of course the military brought electricity there so that the iraqis can buy washmachines and dryers, or maybe play Xbox... it had nothing to do with the fact that U.S. military needs electricity. you got hugged everday? please, stop kiddin yourself. i am turkish, my family has been doing business with iraq for the past 30 years. you know what changed after the war? Well, the first year, we suffered revenue loses, 10% of revenues come from iraq. good thing that your military began building schools and other stuff now. it helped us increase our price of cement 1600%. yeah, sorry to say, as much as i love america (even though i no longer live in the U.S.), but probably americans are paying for that price increase by taxes.
please, get a grip on truth. if those people that are deployed to iraq and afghanistan had a choice, at least half of them would stay in their homeland and defend their country against real external threats. not against car bombs or the said-so WMD.
Turkish
Lifer
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well played Conjur :thumbsup:
to sd2001: stop it with your nonsense, a lot of people would have supported the war if kurds were put in gas chambers in today's iraq. people don't support it because
1. it was for oil
2. it was initiated by lying to the those people whom were told they were being protected from WMD, etc.
Forget the draft. What we need is a system similar to what other countries in western Europe have. Everyone is obligated to complete at least two years of national service. Be it military, national police, etc. That would help both the country and the individual.
I believe its about time you turn your rapier wit on the fanatics who give Islam and the Middle East a bad name. Why don't you say something about THEM rather than just being the resident apologist for terrorists and extremists? Why don't you tell me most of them aren't racists like you accuse me of being because I judge them based solely on THEIR actions? Because you know its not true; you're aware they hate Jews and non-Muslims, so you have no excuse.
There's alot less harm in my words than there are in televised beheadings, blowing up hundreds of little Muslim kids to get at one US soldier, and murdering your daughter because she married for love instead of goats. How 'bout you say something about that bvllshit? Go on, tell me its just a cultural thing, and that I shouldn't judge them... :roll:
Hypocrite.
Sorry if I am off base, but all I have to found my judgements on are your postings here. Actually, I don't care!
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
which we would win easily enough considering the fact that WE are not afraid to fight...
If you fight as well as you caught Osama then we're not worried.
it took five years to find one redneck in North Carolina under Democratic leadership. Osama is a bit harder to find and is someplace besides our backyard so it may take a little longer.
sure, cause I am sure catching Osama was left to the north carolina sheriff's department with their limited budget :roll:
No, the reason it took the FBI so long to catch one redneck was because of ALL OF THE NORTH CAROLINA REDNECKS that supported the terrorist.
No you're the hypocrite.
Do you want to have the world judge us by our actions, too?
Look at these charts: http://www.nationmaster.com/cat/Crime
Look where the US sits relative to the Muslim countries in terms of murders, rapes and the number of people in prison. Where a country doesn't appear, the number was too small to even count. Amazingly the Muslim countries, when even listed, are at the low end of all of these lists and we are in the middle to the top. I guess you don't feel rape to be an issue of sexism and the need to control women like every expert on the subject will tell you.
As far as killing innocents to get to one US soldier, we bombed innocent civilians in Baghdad not once, but twice trying to get Saddam during the first few days of the war when he wasn't anywhere near the places we flattened. Then last week we bombed a building where we thought we saw IED planters entering and OOPS killed some more innocents because we hit the wrong building. But we are justified in our error and they are evil in their's.
What about the fact that you can murder a person who rings your doorbell if he's dressed up for Halloween and doesn't speak English.
And how many boys have the Muslim Mullahs been accused of sexually molesting?
Or maybe you're right and it IS a cultural thing.
Turkish
Lifer
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Wow, you're not just a lil racist behind the keyboard, you were born in the wrong era, you could have been a great Nazi soldier.
Look at my name, it's Turkish. I am from Turkey. Not from Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, or else. Read about my country, then come talk to me. Who do you want Turkey to turn in? Give me a name that the U.S. administration asked for and we refused. Oh wait, they asked for our bases, and we said no. Why? Because that's what the public wanted. They didn't want a war based on our soil. Would the U.S. let us use their bases in Arizona if we wanted to attack Mexico? And stop stereotyping all muslims, muslims do not hate anyone that is non-muslim. Just the fundamentalists do. Look at my country, we get over 20 million tourist per year, and majority of that is Christians, with Jews coming next. Oh, and last year alone, 120,000 Europeans bought houses in Turkey, I am sure they did it so they can be hated.
And about your second paragraph, you think they are doing those things because they want to? Are you really that naive? You think they would STILL behead normal people and blow themselves up if they had access to the weapons the U.S. has? Go on, tell me...
I am with you 100% on the daughter marrying someone the father doesn't want issue... but I would say that doesn't represent the entire muslim world and that barely relates to the issue that is being discussed here. What you are doing is expressing that you hate all muslims. Go on, just admit it. If you could, you would wipe them all off this planet. Admit you're racist towards muslims.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
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So, you're a communist in principle? You believe that the government owns individuals' lives and that the individual is the property of the government? You believe in slavery, kidnapping, and dictatorship?
Instead of offering to sacrifice the lives of other people for the luxury of your altruism, why don't you get up off your arse, pick up a gun, and go over there yourself?
You have a strange vision of communism. In a theoretical communist society (marxist, but any other type is not true communism) there is no government beyond that of public councils that each have their separate purposes. I don't know where you got the idea that the government owns people? And slavery, kidnapping, and dictatorship? Communist societies have no more of this than any capitalist society...
You know what's even more arrogant and sad than picking and choosing when and where to support your country? Asserting that you alone are able to define "supporting your country". Barack Obama said it best, there are patriots who support the war and patriots who are opposed to it. As annoying as the sunshine patriots are, they are much, MUCH less irritating that people who think they alone define patriotism.
Remember, patriotism is as much about motivation as anything else. You can be horribly wrong or misguided, but if you base your views and opinions on a desire to help your country, I don't see how patriotism can be defined by anyone, even soldiers.
We agree. All they want is better weapons that can kill more effectively! Why aren't they like the Jews. Why aren't they making deserts into gardens of Eden? Why do they focus all of their resources for the last sixty years on killing the people who do?
If blowing themselves up is such a great idea and gets them into heaven so quickly, how come only the young and stupid do it? I haven't noticed any old Mullahs wearing the vest that kills. When I see the leaders sacrificing themselves instead of their choirboys, I will think they are sincere and not just after wealth and power.
Muslims as well as other religious groups can't be classified as race. He is stereotyping all muslims though.
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