Reid was the biggest problem in the current Congress

[ivwshane]

What fact have you stated? Get a grip, you are loosing it. Your juvenile reliance on non-existing facts is funny. I stated a simple statement that all sides of the debate should have a voice and you argue about some one acting like "a little bitch" referring to a simple lesson that everyone over the age of 4 knows is very telling. The adults are in the room. Does your mother know you are online?

Let me state the facts that I am basing my argument on so you can understand it:

When either party finds a way to silence the other we no longer have a "REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC"!

Refute that! Don't call people names or use derogatory statements, use your mind instead. I bet you can't....

P.S. It shows a lot of your character when you have to revert to your most basic character (ID in psychology) to argue.

I speak to idiots because they are idiots, your whole thread starts with:

In my opinion, Harry Reid has done more harm to the country than Obama.

So unless your premise is that Obama did nothing to destroy this country, which I'm pretty sure isn't, you are a fucking moron who stated some bullshit to back your claim.

I can't help it if you are stupid and I'm sure as shit not going to sugarcoat your stupidity just to make you feel better.

Btw, do you even know what bills Reid didn't bring up for a vote? No? Then again, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Get educated on a subject before you make rediculous claims, then maybe people will think having a conversation with you is worth their time.

 

[ivwshane]

At least you present a coherent argument unlike ivwshane. Now, all minorities do this. The Republicans did threaten this very same thing (nuclear option) during the Bush years so it was only a matter of time until one party actually did it. That does not make it right and if we can't make if right, then all is lost. Do you agree with the tactic or should we stop it?

Do you even know what the nuclear option is? If you did you wouldn't be claiming this silencing bullshit, unless you think silencing the majority is ok.

 

[Jhhnn]

At least you present a coherent argument unlike ivwshane. Now, all minorities do this. The Republicans did threaten this very same thing (nuclear option) during the Bush years so it was only a matter of time until one party actually did it. That does not make it right and if we can't make if right, then all is lost. Do you agree with the tactic or should we stop it?

Heh. Luv-um false equivalency, huh?

When Repubs threatened the nuclear option, it was over a handful of radical judicial nominees when Dems had approved ~200 others for GWB. Repubs have routinely obstructed nearly all nominations under Obama. Now in the majority, they threaten to abolish the filibuster for all matters, not just some nominees. Will you be whining about Reid if they do?

If you want to understand just how insincere Repubs have been through this, recall that McConnell filibustered his own bill minutes after introducing it, never batted an eye.

 

[dphantom]

The 17th amendment is the root cause of this situation. Before that, Senators were elected by state legislatures and represented the interests of the states.

you're pretty close to truth here. Senators were meant to be the States check on an overreaching Federal government. Once changed to a popular election, we lost that check on Federal overreach.

 

[Mai72]

Lol, Reid.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Reid is just one slice of the shit pie....there are many more. This congress needs limited terms to weed out the aristocrats like him and others.

 

[trenchfoot]

And some folks are actually pining and swooning for the good old golden days of the Bush/Cheney era.

Go figure.

The Repub ideology hasn't changed a single iota since those "golden years". The Repub agenda hasn't changed since. The results we got from eight years of following the revered and hallowed Reaganesque Principles of Economics was a disaster we're still digging ourselves out of and that's the kind of history we want repeated over again?

Where the ideology of "Get it now, get it fast before someone else does, and who gives a shit about those peasant working class stiffs" is now going to be put back into play?

It still makes me wonder in awe that a big chunk of the majority of the nation who are what's left of the middle class, who suffered badly from the effects of eight years of Bush/Cheney conservative fiscal policies, insist that they want those "glory days" back again.

Obama and the former Senate Dem majority absolutely did not create the same disaster that Bush/Cheney created, that the Repubs kept insisting he and the Dems in Congress were going to make things even worse soon after taking office. Never happened, did it?

Yet, here we are talking about how Reid is such a disaster. Bush/Cheney makes Obama and the former Senate Dem majority look like fiscal policy geniuses.

 

[ccbadd]

I speak to idiots because they are idiots, your whole thread starts with:



So unless your premise is that Obama did nothing to destroy this country, which I'm pretty sure isn't, you are a fucking moron who stated some bullshit to back your claim.

I can't help it if you are stupid and I'm sure as shit not going to sugarcoat your stupidity just to make you feel better.

Btw, do you even know what bills Reid didn't bring up for a vote? No? Then again, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Get educated on a subject before you make rediculous claims, then maybe people will think having a conversation with you is worth their time.

You are a truly foaming at the mouth political hack, probably pissed so bad at the election results you cant sleep, so I am just going to file you away with the likes of moonbeam.

 

[Subyman]

I don't know many people that actually liked Reid. He was a necessary evil for some though.

 

[CZroe]

The 17th amendment is the root cause of this situation. Before that, Senators were elected by state legislatures and represented the interests of the states.

Give the Senate back.

 

[Brainonska511]

Give the Senate back.

I feel dumber for watching that nonsense.

The thought of repealing the 17th Amendment and having those clowns in the NYS legislature choose senators who would be good for my state and the country at large stretches belief. We'd be heading right back to the good old days:

 

[IGBT]

he's on the cutting edge of liberal mental disorder.

 

[ivwshane]

You are a truly foaming at the mouth political hack, probably pissed so bad at the election results you cant sleep, so I am just going to file you away with the likes of moonbeam.

Lol! Run away bitch, run!

Go make some more bullshit claims on some other site

 

[CZroe]

I feel dumber for watching that nonsense.

The thought of repealing the 17th Amendment and having those clowns in the NYS legislature choose senators who would be good for my state and the country at large stretches belief. We'd be heading right back to the good old days:

iOS would not let me cut/paste the post I was replying to.

The 17th amendment is the root cause of this situation. Before that, Senators were elected by state legislatures and represented the interests of the states.

As demonstrated by Ichinisan here:

http://youtu.be/y50fiMMIaA8

 

[Jhhnn]

So, uhh, having state legislators pick US senators will actually move that process closer to the People? Really? I thought that's what Reid-whining was all about, putting another layer of politics between the people & the bills to be considered.

Righties embrace contradiction blindly, integrate it easily into their most cherished beliefs, which is why they get angry when they can't explain the reasons for what they didn't reason their way into in the first place. They firmly believe that they did, however. Reason, that is, when they did nothing of the kind.

 

[CZroe]

So, uhh, having state legislators pick US senators will actually move that process closer to the People? Really? I thought that's what Reid-whining was all about, putting another layer of politics between the people & the bills to be considered.

Righties embrace contradiction blindly, integrate it easily into their most cherished beliefs, which is why they get angry when they can't explain the reasons for what they didn't reason their way into in the first place. They firmly believe that they did, however. Reason, that is, when they did nothing of the kind.

Representatives are for the people, Senators were supposed to be for the states. The 17th ammendment was a power grab by the Federal government which deprived the states of influencertain. The constitution delegated all authority not specifically granted to the Federal government to the states, which is supposed to be the majority of law-making and enforcing authority. The system was designed to protect this. Don't like your state catering to a lobby? Pick a different one. States will lose revenue if they lose their workforce and they will compete for population.

Your assumption that the goal was to move it closer to "the people" is pretty funny. Did you completely forget about the House of Representatives?

 

[Jhhnn]

Representatives are for the people, Senators were supposed to be for the stats. The 17thing ammendment was a power grab by the Federal government which deprived the states of influencertain. The constitution delegated all authority not specifically granted to the Federal government to the states, which is supposed to be the majority of law-making and enforcing authority. The system was designed to protect this. Don't like your state catering to a lobby? Pick a different one. States will lose revenue if they lose their workforce and they will compete for population.

Your assumption that the goal was to move it closer to "the people" is pretty funny. Did you completely forget about the House of Representatives?

Nice circular argument, complete with false assumptions. Explain how direct election of Senators is a power grab by the federal govt. It deprived often corrupt state govts of influence, no doubt, by giving it directly to the People of the States. Not to mention that it was actually done by the states, ratified by state legislatures. It didn't happen by dictat. Go figure.

 

[ivwshane]

Nice circular argument, complete with false assumptions. Explain how direct election of Senators is a power grab by the federal govt. It deprived often corrupt state govts of influence, no doubt, by giving it directly to the People of the States. Not to mention that it was actually done by the states, ratified by state legislatures. It didn't happen by dictat. Go figure.

Well you know, the citizens of each state electing people directly is a federal power grab!

Lol! Where do these idiots come from?

 

[Darwin333]

Would you be saying that if you were on the plane with the guy that died while you and your family were stuck in your house for weeks? And what then if you or someone in your family did come down with it?

No reasonable person would because they are extremely emotional. On the other hand, the rest of us who are in a rationale, versus emotional, state of mind are well aware that damn near everything in our lives have a far greater statistical likelihood of killing us than Ebola. That includes innocuous things like toasters, bathtubs, hell I bet toilets killed more people in the US last year than Ebola.

Not to take anything away from those infected or personally impacted by this disease but so long as my chances of dying from it are less than getting struck by lightning, there just isn't enough room on my give-a-fuck meter for it. Hit me up when it gets up there with lightning and it might make the waiting list but it will still be incredibly far away from the dangers of bathtubs. Since I haven't stopped bathing it would still have a long way to go to make me even consider any sort of change in my thinking or behavior.

 

[Darwin333]

OP, in order to be outraged I'd say you need to show how Reid's behavior was unprecedented (ie the republicans did not do the same thing), then I'd look at what the house was doing and compare.

That's flat out bullshit. Just because something isn't "unprecedented" doesn't make it something one can't be outraged at. It isn't unprecedented for outright unthinkably horrendous massacres to occur in parts of Africa, I'm outraged at every last one of them and I guarantee that you are too. So just because one group doesn't something fucked up doesn't make it any less fucked up when another group does it.

I'm not backing the tactics of either party btw. They both suck.

 

[brycejones]

Representatives are for the people, Senators were supposed to be for the stats. The 17thing ammendment was a power grab by the Federal government which deprived the states of influencertain. The constitution delegated all authority not specifically granted to the Federal government to the states, which is supposed to be the majority of law-making and enforcing authority. The system was designed to protect this. Don't like your state catering to a lobby? Pick a different one. States will lose revenue if they lose their workforce and they will compete for population.

Your assumption that the goal was to move it closer to "the people" is pretty funny. Did you completely forget about the House of Representatives?

lol wut?

 

[ivwshane]

That's flat out bullshit. Just because something isn't "unprecedented" doesn't make it something one can't be outraged at. It isn't unprecedented for outright unthinkably horrendous massacres to occur in parts of Africa, I'm outraged at every last one of them and I guarantee that you are too. So just because one group doesn't something fucked up doesn't make it any less fucked up when another group does it.

I'm not backing the tactics of either party btw. They both suck.

The issue isn't about being outraged, the issue is about not understanding what's going on and blaming people because you are clueless. The OP blames Reid for changing a rule, a rule that didn't exist when this country was founded, a rule that removed a minority party's ability to obstruct for the sake of obstructing (see Mitch filibustering his own bill, see presidential nominations that were blocked and then unanimously approved), a rule that brought back the standard process of approving a presidential nominee via a simple majority.

If you are going to bitch about something you probably should have a grasp of the subject you are bitching about, clearly the OP didn't. Otherwise all debate on an issue is pointless and akin to arguing with a child. The OP is clueless and he had no intention of having an honest debate or even educating himself on the subject.

 

[ccbadd]

The issue isn't about being outraged, the issue is about not understanding what's going on and blaming people because you are clueless. The OP blames Reid for changing a rule, a rule that didn't exist when this country was founded, a rule that removed a minority party's ability to obstruct for the sake of obstructing (see Mitch filibustering his own bill, see presidential nominations that were blocked and then unanimously approved), a rule that brought back the standard process of approving a presidential nominee via a simple majority.

If you are going to bitch about something you probably should have a grasp of the subject you are bitching about, clearly the OP didn't. Otherwise all debate on an issue is pointless and akin to arguing with a child. The OP is clueless and he had no intention of having an honest debate or even educating himself on the subject.

Ok, I wasn't going to reply to this fool again, but here is a little snippet from the Washington Post so Mr. foaming mouth can shut up:

"What made the day so historic for senators, former senators and the small collection of parliamentary experts in Washington was the simple majority vote used to execute the changes — a tactic so extreme it is known as the “nuclear option.” "

If you payed attention, he changed not just the filibuster of nominees, but to the simple parliamentary rule that required the same 60 votes to change the rules. This means that any future Senate can use a simple majority to change the rules and then vote under the new rules. In essence, the filibuster IS dead for every Senate action even if they change the rules back. The minority party no longer has the influence it one had.

 

[CZroe]

Nice circular argument, complete with false assumptions. Explain how direct election of Senators is a power grab by the federal govt. It deprived often corrupt state govts of influence, no doubt, by giving it directly to the People of the States. Not to mention that it was actually done by the states, ratified by state legislatures. It didn't happen by dictat. Go figure.

Well you know, the citizens of each state electing people directly is a federal power grab!

Lol! Where do these idiots come from?

lol wut?

This is what started the discussion:
http://youtu.be/DUOGdBgeB14

 

[rockyct]

Now that the Republicans think they can get stuff done, it will be hilarious when they find out the gears are jammed for them as well.