Reid - be bipartisan, drop your extremism while we keep ours

[monovillage]

Ah, the victim complex. Don't let the man keep you down.

They only succeed in that if they shut you up. Nice try though.

 

[dank69]

They only succeed in that if they shut you up. Nice try though.

Keep fighting the good fight. The demons in your head will relent, someday.

 

[monovillage]

Keep fighting the good fight. The demons in your head will relent, someday.

Damn, i didn't know you were another one of those fundie wackos. Never mind my comments, I didn't mean anything by it. I don't consort with demons, i'm just a regular American.

 

[Ausm]

Keep fighting the good fight. The demons in your head will relent, someday.

Maybe with the help of meds....I hope he tells me which company is supplying them so I can invest in that company.

 

[dank69]

Damn, i didn't know you were another one of those fundie wackos. Never mind my comments, I didn't mean anything by it. I don't consort with demons, i'm just a regular American.

Funny, you calling anyone a fundie whacko.

 

[cybrsage]

The difference you keep ignoring is that Reid and the Dems don't cave in to the extremists on their side while the GOP has been lately.

Yes they do. Have you heard of Cap and Trade?

 

[monovillage]

Funny, you calling anyone a fundie whacko.

You brought up demons, what else would I think about you?

 

[dank69]

Yes they do. Have you heard of Cap and Trade?

Have you heard it was shelved? Awhile ago?

 

[dank69]

You brought up demons, what else would I think about you?

Thinking? Is that what you call your process?

 

[Fern]

Originally Posted by spidey07
Umm, the House has passed numerous spending and deficit reduction bills that were not even brought for a vote in the Senate.

Link one.

Really?

Seems you haven't been paying much attention to what goes on in Washington. Just reading the dailykos and the like leaves one with a one-sided view, like just watching Fox.

I've already linked about 15 bills passed by the House for jobs that Reid has bottled up in the Senate (won't allow them to hit the floor).

Here's one that received a lot of publicity and is on-point as far as the subject of spending and deficit reduction:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/paul-ryan-budget-proposal-vote_n_849800.html

Here, again Reid bottled it up.

Fern

 

[Fern]

The difference you keep ignoring is that Reid and the Dems don't cave in to the extremists on their side while the GOP has been lately.

In the 2006 elections the Dems ran on reducing the budget deficit. Ran on it 'Big Time', a major part of the platform. Now that the TEA Party wants the same thing they are "extremists"?

Seems to me refusing to move on the new pipeline is caving to extremists. It's costing us nothing (it's privately funded), we need it for several reasons including jobs, and the environmental effects been studied for 2 or 3 yrs. No additional is reasonable. It was cancelled because of the environmental extremists in the Dem party.

Suing AZ for trying to handle the illegal immigration problem, which is clearly a very real and substantial problem there, strikes me as caving to the extremists in the Dem party.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Really?

Seems you haven't been paying much attention to what goes on in Washington. Just reading the dailykos and the like leaves one with a one-sided view, like just watching Fox.

I've already linked about 15 bills passed by the House for jobs that Reid has bottled up in the Senate (won't allow them to hit the floor).

Here's one that received a lot of publicity and is on-point as far as the subject of spending and deficit reduction:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/paul-ryan-budget-proposal-vote_n_849800.html

Here, again Reid bottled it up.

Fern

Surely you jest. The Ryan budget proposal is a very bad joke, promulgated by the rich, for the rich & a sop for the nutty TP base.

If you think the employment picture sucks now, that proposal would lay off several million govt workers & finish the job of created a third world distribution of income in this country.

Anybody who regards that as a serious proposal is delusional.

 

[dank69]

Really?

Seems you haven't been paying much attention to what goes on in Washington. Just reading the dailykos and the like leaves one with a one-sided view, like just watching Fox.

I've already linked about 15 bills passed by the House for jobs that Reid has bottled up in the Senate (won't allow them to hit the floor).

Here's one that received a lot of publicity and is on-point as far as the subject of spending and deficit reduction:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/paul-ryan-budget-proposal-vote_n_849800.html

Here, again Reid bottled it up.

Fern

Surely you jest. The Ryan budget proposal is a very bad joke, promulgated by the rich, for the rich & a sop for the nutty TP base.

If you think the employment picture sucks now, that proposal would lay off several million govt workers & finish the job of created a third world distribution of income in this country.

Anybody who regards that as a serious proposal is delusional.

In other words, Fern, you should be kissing the Democrats' asses for saving the country from the GOP once again.

 

[Fern]

Surely you jest. The Ryan budget proposal is a very bad joke, promulgated by the rich, for the rich & a sop for the nutty TP base.

If you think the employment picture sucks now, that proposal would lay off several million govt workers & finish the job of created a third world distribution of income in this country.

Anybody who regards that as a serious proposal is delusional.

"Jest"?

Not at all. I simply provided the info he requested. He didn't say "what has the Repub House passed that Dems like".

He said "Link one", and I did.

His request looks a lot like what we keep seeing around here, namely that the House Repubs haven't passed anything, when in fact the opposite is true.

Fern

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Oh shut the fuck up Fern you fucking phony. You know damn well that Ryan knew his budget had NO chance of passing through the Senate. Anyone truly serious about budget reform has to understand the meaning of the word compromise. That means putting revenues on the table as well as tax cuts. It is the only way Democrats will ever get on board with entitlement cuts.

 

[monovillage]

Oh shut the fuck up Fern you fucking phony. You know damn well that Ryan knew his budget had NO chance of passing through the Senate. Anyone truly serious about budget reform has to understand the meaning of the word compromise. That means putting revenues on the table as well as tax cuts. It is the only way Democrats will ever get on board with entitlement cuts.

Like I said, they only win if they shut you up.
All the Democrats lying about what the House has done and when they ask for the facts Fern gave them too you. Then it's immediately obscene attack, attack, attack.

Their definition of what compromise is is doing 1/2 of what they want now and 1/2 later.

 

[ElFenix]

Their definition of what compromise is is doing 1/2 of what they want now and 1/2 later.

vs. the republican definition of doing 100% of what we want now, in addition to what we'll want later when you guys adopt 60% of what we want now.

 

[Jhhnn]

"Jest"?

Not at all. I simply provided the info he requested. He didn't say "what has the Repub House passed that Dems like".

He said "Link one", and I did.

His request looks a lot like what we keep seeing around here, namely that the House Repubs haven't passed anything, when in fact the opposite is true.

Fern

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

They've done little that any rational person might represent as constructive. HOR Repubs are engaged in a game of "You think that's Stupid? I'll show you Stupid!"

They're trying to convince everybody that the way to fiscal responsibility is thru Cuts, cuts, cuts! & nothing else, that forcing layoffs of govt employees & contractors will reduce unemployment in some magical fashion. They're desperate to keep anybody from noticing the fattest hog in the pen, America's wealthiest, who can easily pay much higher taxes while suffering no meaningful degradation of their lifestyles, people who should be called upon to sacrifice like the rest of us.

Huh-Uhh! Can't ask anything from the Job Creators!, as if they're actually, uhh, creating jobs at all rather than hoarding liquidity & buying Treasuries...

 

[monovillage]

vs. the republican definition of doing 100% of what we want now, in addition to what we'll want later when you guys adopt 60% of what we want now.

The Republicans are trying to cut spending, the Democrats are trying to raise taxes. I guess that means if we can cut spending now and later the country will be better off. You must be right.

 

[cybrsage]

Have you heard it was shelved? Awhile ago?

Not because the dems did not want it, but because the dems did not have the power to ram it through.

You ask, I show, you then move the goalposts. Don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

 

[ElFenix]

The Republicans are trying to cut spending, the Democrats are trying to raise taxes. I guess that means if we can cut spending now and later the country will be better off. You must be right.

you're not really trying to do something when you know the other side will never go along with it. so for you, you can throw red meat to your base with something you never really intended to do anyway.

 

[monovillage]

you're not really trying to do something when you know the other side will never go along with it. so for you, you can throw red meat to your base with something you never really intended to do anyway.

And you think that Reid isn't doing that? or that only the evil and nasty Republicans do it, but never the honest and pure Democrats?

 

[ElFenix]

And you think that Reid isn't doing that? or that only the evil and nasty Republicans do it, but never the honest and pure Democrats?

where did i ever say that?

 

[Lemon law]

The cybrsage argument is somewhat based on, Harry Reid should listen to Gandhi, who was much wiser than Harry Reid will ever be:" As Gandhi went on to say, ""Be the Change you want to see in the world."

But cybrsage would have to be totally delusional to think a Gandhi would think the GOP is that agent for a better change.

Reid is a certainly a better agent for change than the GOP, but in a political politician v partisan politician battle, that being a positive agent for a better change is held hostage by mainly only the partisan politics of the GOP in the USA.

 

[Jhhnn]

And you think that Reid isn't doing that? or that only the evil and nasty Republicans do it, but never the honest and pure Democrats?

You couldn't name a single Dem proposal that vaguely resembles the pandering & posing of the Ryan budget, at least not any that received enough support to mention.

Dems are far from perfect, but your use of the usual false equivalency indicates you're out of arguments- all you have left are insults to everybody's intelligence.