Regime change starts at home

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Corn
I possess 4 post graduate degrees, am 6'6", weigh 245, 4% body fat, and when I'm standing tall, my cock is 3 inches.............from the floor.

My hoss hits the floor, even when I'm standing on a chair.

. . . And the statistics you cite in support of your arguments are suspect.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Klixxer
LOL, you really are naive. No, it isn't that simple, the current government has been pushing for larger government, a distinct communistic trait.

The USA is not capitalistic, anyone who claims that should read up on the different systems, and there are plenty of countries that are MORE democratic where the people get to decide directly instead of an electoral collage.

Actually, pretty much the entire world is more democratic.

From a strict dictionary definintion standpoint, you're right, countries like Canada are every bit as democratic as the USA. The point I have been trying to make is that places like Canada are also Socialism-laden, and if that sort of thing gets out of control and takes over you'll end up with a Communist state.

They are? How so? How do YOU define socialism?

It's about ownership, compare Sweden, Germany and the US, private ownership is about the same, so that would make the US as socialist as Sweden.

And i didn't say AS democratic, i said MORE democratic.

 

[Harvey]

Regardless of your political inclinations, before you go on ranting about socialism, communism, or anything else, consider one thing:

ANY administration where the chief legal officers, such as the office of the U.S. Attorney General, issues opinions about ways to skirt and redefe the limitations of Federal law and international treaties regarding torture is DANGEROUS! :|

This is precisely one of the things that happened in Nazi Germany before WW II. The Nazis were elected with almost religious fervor by zealots who perceived themselves as able to redefine their powers as is suited them. We know the results of such excess.

This is NOT a conservative vs. liberal issue. The most conservative of citizens would strongly resist such radical changes in the power structure of the governement. The most liberal of citizens already realize the danger this poses to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

Regime change happened in my home, long ago. Now, I hope it spreads nationwide, not because I'm a liberal, but because it's just plain common sense. The Bush administration is a threat to the rights of every U.S. citizen. :|

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Regardless of your political inclinations, before you go on ranting about socialism, communism, or anything else, consider one thing:

ANY administration where the chief legal officers, such as the office of the U.S. Attorney General, issues opinions about ways to skirt and redefe the limitations of Federal law and international treaties regarding torture is DANGEROUS! :|

This is precisely one of the things that happened in Nazi Germany before WW II. The Nazis were elected with almost religious fervor by zealots who perceived themselves as able to redefine their powers as is suited them. We know the results of such excess.

This is NOT a conservative vs. liberal issue. The most conservative of citizens would strongly resist such radical changes in the power structure of the governement. The most liberal of citizens already realize the danger this poses to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

Regime change happened in my home, long ago. Now, I hope it spreads nationwide, not because I'm a liberal, but because it's just plain common sense. The Bush administration is a threat to the rights of every U.S. citizen. :|

Ah yes, no discussion would be complete without comparing Bush to Hitler. Ridiculous and idiotic, but then again look who's repeating this rubbish.

Get back to doing something useful Harvey, like muzzling the conservative voices that post here. You haven't met your quota yet.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Corn
Ah yes, no discussion would be complete without comparing Bush to Hitler. Ridiculous and idiotic, but then again look who's repeating this rubbish.

I didn't compare Bush to Hitler. I said the userpation of power by a zealot leader and his cronies is what DID happen in pre WW II Nazi Germany. You got a problem with reality? Go rewrite history.

Get back to doing something useful Harvey, like muzzling the conservative voices that post here. You haven't met your quota yet.

You wouldn't have a clue about the meaning of "conservative." Unlike current neocon bullsh8, a true conservative thinks long, hard and critically about a subject before making changes. In other words, a conservative conserves the best of what is to make sure it isn't lost when changes are made.

A true conservative does not subvert and undermine the Constitution for the sake of power, personal gain or the benefit of wealthy supporters. At true conservative would not raise the bloody flag of religion to gain favor with one group of citizens to the detriment of others. A true conservative would recognize the Bush adminstration for what it is and quickly walk away from all it stands for.

< edit >

Gratuitous rude personal remark deleted. My apologies.

Harvey

 

[fjord]

Regime change starts at home
In the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Amen.

 

[Corn]

You wouldn't have a clue about the meaning of "conservative."

I never said I was pleased with Bush on every issue. He's far to liberal for my tastes, but when compared to the competition......well I certainly won't be voting for someone who is more liberal because I don't believe Bush to be conservative enough.

And I won't be looking to a conspiracy theorist propaganda parroting flaming liberal for the definition of what is conservative thank you very much (but I'll pass).

A true conservative does not subvert and undermine the Constitution for the sake of power, personal gain or the benefit of wealthy supporters.

That's right, I forgot, Bush stole Iraq's oil and is personally profiting from it as we speak. Pretty soon he's gonna declare himself emperor and fire up the gas chambers. Well, I sure am glad I'm on his side!

You fundie liberals are nothing if not consistant in your bullschitt.

Oh, and sorry for giving you teeth while kissing your ass, but I noticed your brain was turning blue and figured it needed another blowhole. [/3rd grade joke on Harvey's level]

 

[M0NEYSH0T]

Originally posted by: bthorny
....................
I still can't believe that the vast majority of the public believes that the Bushie was "elected" democratically.
Florida(people denied their voting rights falsely)


Also, I really love the "if you don't support the war your're not a patriot".....I believe many would have something to say about how one defines themelves under those terms.


Run on sweet lemmings the ocean will come soon and it is right infront of you...

Yes I' ranting but, how can I not be pissed off when our democracy has been flushed down the toilet.
Find your own freaking links that verify everything you want to hear because you shall get none from me today.

JFC, this is one biased commie thread, er, section of AT. You people are funny.

 

[M0NEYSH0T]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
How has democracy gone down the toilet? Bush was voted in, they counted the votes a zillion times. The democrats lost. Too bad so sad. Don't cry about it now and say that democracy has been ruined as a result. In fact, right-wing countries are usually the finest examples of democracy. Left-wing policies are much closer to communism, just FYI.

Actually, MOST democrats these days, Kerry included, are SOCIALISTS, NOT Democrats, aka, Joe Lieberman.

That's right, I forgot, Bush stole Iraq's oil and is personally profiting from it as we speak. Pretty soon he's gonna declare himself emperor and fire up the gas chambers. Well, I sure am glad I'm on his side!

You fundie liberals are nothing if not consistant in your bullschitt.

Oh, and sorry for giving you teeth while kissing your ass, but I noticed your brain was turning blue and figured it needed another blowhole. [/3rd grade joke on Harvey's level]

RIGHT ON. Damn Socialists. I'm thinking they are closer in terms of politics to Castro.

 

[FelixDeCat]

bthorny,

Gore lost - get over it.

 

[M0NEYSH0T]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Corn
Ah yes, no discussion would be complete without comparing Bush to Hitler. Ridiculous and idiotic, but then again look who's repeating this rubbish.

I didn't compare Bush to Hitler. I said the userpation of power by a zealot leader and his cronies is what DID happen in pre WW II Nazi Germany. You got a problem with reality? Go rewrite history.

Get back to doing something useful Harvey, like muzzling the conservative voices that post here. You haven't met your quota yet.

You wouldn't have a clue about the meaning of "conservative." Unlike current neocon bullsh8, a true conservative thinks long, hard and critically about a subject before making changes. In other words, a conservative conserves the best of what is to make sure it isn't lost when changes are made.

A true conservative does not subvert and undermine the Constitution for the sake of power, personal gain or the benefit of wealthy supporters. At true conservative would not raise the bloody flag of religion to gain favor with one group of citizens to the detriment of others. A true conservative would recognize the Bush adminstration for what it is and quickly walk away from all it stands for.

Please step back slightly while I bend over just far enough to allow you to kiss my ass. While you're doing that, you'll also have to excuse me while I fart in your general direction. I know you'll appreciate it because it'll match the aroma of that brown crap you try to pass off for a brain.

To sum up the democrats/socialists...

A Father Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich &amp; more welfare programs. In the middle of her heart felt diatribe based upon the lectures she had from her far left professors at her school, he stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in
school.

She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time, never had time to go out

and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. That she was taking a more difficult curriculum.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Mary."

She replied, "Mary is barely getting by", she continued, "all she has is barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." But to explain further she continued emotionally, "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too
hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by the fathers suggestion angrily fired back,
"That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary
has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party!"

 

[glenn1]

RIGHT ON. Damn Socialists. I'm thinking they are closer in terms of politics to Castro.

Not our fault you're not smart enough to even win in a discussion with socialists and communists. You'd probably be out-argued by a houseplant.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Corn
Ah yes, no discussion would be complete without comparing Bush to Hitler. Ridiculous and idiotic, but then again look who's repeating this rubbish.

I didn't compare Bush to Hitler. I said the userpation of power by a zealot leader and his cronies is what DID happen in pre WW II Nazi Germany. You got a problem with reality? Go rewrite history.

Get back to doing something useful Harvey, like muzzling the conservative voices that post here. You haven't met your quota yet.

You wouldn't have a clue about the meaning of "conservative." Unlike current neocon bullsh8, a true conservative thinks long, hard and critically about a subject before making changes. In other words, a conservative conserves the best of what is to make sure it isn't lost when changes are made.

A true conservative does not subvert and undermine the Constitution for the sake of power, personal gain or the benefit of wealthy supporters. At true conservative would not raise the bloody flag of religion to gain favor with one group of citizens to the detriment of others. A true conservative would recognize the Bush adminstration for what it is and quickly walk away from all it stands for.

Please step back slightly while I bend over just far enough to allow you to kiss my ass. While you're doing that, you'll also have to excuse me while I fart in your general direction. I know you'll appreciate it because it'll match the aroma of that brown crap you try to pass off for a brain.

It's alway interesting to see a flaming liberal try to post about what a "true conservative" should and shouldn't do.

Now as for your "elite":roll: attack on corn - you get a cookie.

*cookie*

CkG

 

[Harvey]

Previous gratuitous rude personal remark deleted. My apologies. The rest of my post stands, and I'm still LMFAO at some really lame attempts to refute it.

 

[Corn]

Now as for your "elite":roll: attack on corn - you get a cookie.

Cad, I really don't mind it. Heck, I might have even had it coming.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Second, the Supreme Court stepped in and ORDERED Florida to stop the recount at 500 in favor of Bush something.

The USSC stated the the Florida court erred in the way the recount was being handled.

Instructions on the method of recounting were vague and not being applied uniformly across the state.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Second, the Supreme Court stepped in and ORDERED Florida to stop the recount at 500 in favor of Bush something.

The USSC stated the the Florida court erred in the way the recount was being handled.

Instructions on the method of recounting were vague and not being applied uniformly across the state.

Ayup. And the SCOTUS ruled 7-2 to stop the recounts. A clear majority opinion.

Now, the big issue is what happened to the expunged voters from the rolls. It's clear Bush won on a count of all votes cast but what's unclear is if people were not allowed to vote, wrongfully having been expunged.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: conjur
Now, the big issue is what happened to the expunged voters from the rolls. It's clear Bush won on a count of all votes cast but what's unclear is if people were not allowed to vote, wrongfully having been expunged.

That is a problem within the state election system. Fla had problems like most states, the big issue was that they all came out in the public eye and now the general issue is the poster child for the democrats.

Hopefully their problems will accelerate that correction of such issues across the country and also put in some safeguards against a similar problem popping up again.