Regarding Raph Palmeiro again. hmmmm

[PlatinumGold]

how can anyone with 3000+ hits and 550+ HR be this underrated?

i was thinking of Chipper Jones #'s the other day and realized, chipper's numbers aren't any better than Palmeiros during the same period in palmeiros career.

I doubt chipper jones will break 3000 / 500.

but if he plays like he has for another 5 yrs, i bet he makes the HOF.

name 5 current players who you think is clearly better than Palmeiro outside of barry bonds.

upon further reflection. is Raphy about equivalent to Curtis Martin?

 

[happybelly]

Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football. yes he was a compiler, yes the Terrel Davis, Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson etc may have been better than him in their primes but you can't take away from the longevity of emmitt smith either. same with palmeiro, altho prime for prime pujols, guerrero or ramirez are better than Palmeiro, i don't think they have played long enough to really be in his class.

tejada in my opinion doesn't belong in that list.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football. yes he was a compiler, yes the Terrel Davis, Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson etc may have been better than him in their primes but you can't take away from the longevity of emmitt smith either. same with palmeiro, altho prime for prime pujols, guerrero or ramirez are better than Palmeiro, i don't think they have played long enough to really be in his class.

tejada in my opinion doesn't belong in that list.

Terrel Davis is just another RB who piled up yards with Denver. Can you name a Denver RB who DIDN'T get his yards in the last 10 years? That's all I have to say... I know nothing about baseball.... Palmeiro was the man in a baseball game I had on Sega Genesis though...

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Gotta agree with that. It doesn't really matter how long they've been playing. If Pujols puts in another 15 solid years, he's going to have monstrous career stats.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Gotta agree with that. It doesn't really matter how long they've been playing. If Pujols puts in another 15 solid years, he's going to have monstrous career stats.

of course it matters, are you going to tell me that Bo Jackson should go to the HOF over emmitt smith?

longevity is a factor.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

He takes batting practice.

He takes fielding practice.

He takes Viagra.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistantly Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

 

[happybelly]

I'm not comparing career numbers, nobody really comes close right now except Bonds.

Pujols has had one of the best starts to a career in MLB history. His career OPS is 1.038, .139 higher than Palmeiro's. Of course you can't compare career numbers yet, but Pujols is far and away a better player than Palmeiro ever was on a season by season basis.

Tejada, while not putting up quite the offensive numbers, plays a much tougher defensive position and played most of his career in a pitchers park. His numbers have gone through the roof since moving to Camden Yards. Palmeiro has spent most of his career in hitters parks. As a hitter I would take Palmeiro in his prime over Tejada, but I would take Tejada overall. because having a power hitting SS is much more valuable than a power hitting first baseman.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistancy Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

 

[happybelly]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistancy Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

The difference between Palmeiro and Clemens is, that Clemens has been a dominating pitcher for 20+ years and could be argued that he's the best modern era pitcher of all time.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistancy Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

The difference between Palmeiro and Clemens is, that Clemens has been a dominating pitcher for 20+ years and could be argued that he's the best modern era pitcher of all time.

if palmeiro had a few championships under his belt, he would be ranked a lot higher in the baseball pantheon.

again, if he had played for the yankees most of his career, how would he have ranked?

clemens, if he had never gone to the yankees and won a WS, where would he have ranked?

 

[happybelly]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistancy Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

The difference between Palmeiro and Clemens is, that Clemens has been a dominating pitcher for 20+ years and could be argued that he's the best modern era pitcher of all time.

if palmeiro had a few championships under his belt, he would be ranked a lot higher in the baseball pantheon.

again, if he had played for the yankees most of his career, how would he have ranked?

clemens, if he had never gone to the yankees and won a WS, where would he have ranked?

Probably the same. Clemens has been dominant plain and simple. Clemens has a career ERA of 3.13 in 21+ years of pitching, that's outstanding in todays game. He's a 7 time Cy Young Award winner. His career and individual season numbers are amazing.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistancy Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

The difference between Palmeiro and Clemens is, that Clemens has been a dominating pitcher for 20+ years and could be argued that he's the best modern era pitcher of all time.

if palmeiro had a few championships under his belt, he would be ranked a lot higher in the baseball pantheon.

again, if he had played for the yankees most of his career, how would he have ranked?

clemens, if he had never gone to the yankees and won a WS, where would he have ranked?

Probably the same. Clemens has been dominant plain and simple. Clemens has a career ERA of 3.13 in 21+ years of pitching, that's outstanding in todays game. He's a 7 time Cy Young Award winner. His career and individual season numbers are amazing.

and you don't think 3000+ hits and 550+ HR is amazing? Palmeiros numbers are VERY VERY similar to Hank Aarons, who himself only won the MVP once.

 

[happybelly]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pujols is way to early in his career to compare to Palmeiro.

But certainly if you were playing a pickup game you'd pick Pujols over Palmeiro.

Palmeiro is like Emmitt Smith in football.

Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships. I think one of Palmeiro's problems is (besides never winning a championship) he was never the star on his team. When he began hitting for power, he was moved to Baltimore behind Cal Ripken Jr., then when going back to Texas he was behind A-Rod & Pudge.

Part of the discussion is because it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistancy Good. He'll get in to the Hall, but I don't think it'll be first ballot.

We've been watching Ryne Sandberg here finally get into the Hall, he is arguably the best second baseman of all time up until his retirement, and it took him several votes before getting in. So many gold gloves, all-star games, an MVP, errorless streak record, most homeruns all-time by a 2B (now broken by Kent). It's rarely a slam-dunk to get in first ballot.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

The difference between Palmeiro and Clemens is, that Clemens has been a dominating pitcher for 20+ years and could be argued that he's the best modern era pitcher of all time.

if palmeiro had a few championships under his belt, he would be ranked a lot higher in the baseball pantheon.

again, if he had played for the yankees most of his career, how would he have ranked?

clemens, if he had never gone to the yankees and won a WS, where would he have ranked?

Probably the same. Clemens has been dominant plain and simple. Clemens has a career ERA of 3.13 in 21+ years of pitching, that's outstanding in todays game. He's a 7 time Cy Young Award winner. His career and individual season numbers are amazing.

and you don't think 3000+ hits and 550+ HR is amazing? Palmeiros numbers are VERY VERY similar to Hank Aarons, who himself only won the MVP once.

I said he's a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my opinion, so yes they are quite impressive. I'm just saying that he's not even close to Clemens level, not many are.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Well, there's a big difference with Emmitt Smith, Emmitt led the Cowboys to several championships.

championships are team things. if palmeiro had played for the yankees instead of tino martinez, you don't think he'd have a few WS rings on his fist?

as far as individual efforts i think my comparison of palmeiro to emmitt is pretty accurate.

along those same lines, i also think roger clemens is similar to emmitt smith.

But Palmeiro didn't play for the Yankees, he decided to sit in Texas for most of his career. And as such, he has never played in a championship game, he has never been in the national spotlight with the biggest pressure to win resting on his shoulders. Emmitt Smith has done that, and has done that exceptionally well. And while football is a team sport, it is the running game that wins superbowls. History of the superbowls shows that the team who relies more on running and less on passing than the opposing team wins more often.

Come on, Clemens doesn't compare to Emmitt either, in these late years for Clemens, he won the Cy Young Award last season, and is looking to repeat again this year.

A good comparison for Emmitt Smith would probably be Ricky Henderson.

I haven't thought of a good comparison for Palmeiro yet, I'd have to think about this one.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols? Waaay overrated. I mean the guy is good, but why the fvck does everyone look at him like he's the best player in the past 25 years or something all the sudden?

Guerrero is pretty solid, I'd say that he's probably the best player listed.

Arod? Ehhh... maybe. I still think it's a mistake for him to be the highest paid player in baseball. I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be, but I'm sure some idiot will pull up stats to prove me wrong and not realize that stats aren't everything.

Tejada? Definitely not. He's a solid performer on both ends but I don't think he's better than Palmeiro. He might be someday, but not currently.

And Ramirez. He's pretty good. I don't think he's playing to his full potential and I hope that he gets something in him that makes him up it a notch or two for the rest of his career. Probably the second best choice and only one that's really a good choice besides Vladdy G.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: happybelly

I said he's a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my opinion, so yes they are quite impressive. I'm just saying that he's not even close to Clemens level, not many are.

i'll buy that.

it's just amazing to me how many people will actually say they think palmeiro doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.

it's just inconcievable that it can even be said. if 3000+ hits and 550+ HR doesn't guarantee First ballot HOF, WTF can?

 

[happybelly]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols? Waaay overrated. I mean the guy is good, but why the fvck does everyone look at him like he's the best player in the past 25 years or something all the sudden?

Guerrero is pretty solid, I'd say that he's probably the best player listed.

Arod? Ehhh... maybe. I still think it's a mistake for him to be the highest paid player in baseball. I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be, but I'm sure some idiot will pull up stats to prove me wrong and not realize that stats aren't everything.

Tejada? Definitely not. He's a solid performer on both ends but I don't think he's better than Palmeiro. He might be someday, but not currently.

And Ramirez. He's pretty good. I don't think he's playing to his full potential and I hope that he gets something in him that makes him up it a notch or two for the rest of his career. Probably the second best choice and only one that's really a good choice besides Vladdy G.

Please tell me how Pujols is overrated.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols? Waaay overrated. I mean the guy is good, but why the fvck does everyone look at him like he's the best player in the past 25 years or something all the sudden?

Guerrero is pretty solid, I'd say that he's probably the best player listed.

Arod? Ehhh... maybe. I still think it's a mistake for him to be the highest paid player in baseball. I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be, but I'm sure some idiot will pull up stats to prove me wrong and not realize that stats aren't everything.

Tejada? Definitely not. He's a solid performer on both ends but I don't think he's better than Palmeiro. He might be someday, but not currently.

And Ramirez. He's pretty good. I don't think he's playing to his full potential and I hope that he gets something in him that makes him up it a notch or two for the rest of his career. Probably the second best choice and only one that's really a good choice besides Vladdy G.

Please tell me how Pujols is overrated.

Last season and even somewhat this season everyone acted like he was the man to be, and that he was a serious contender for a triple crown. I think the guy is good, but I don't think he is triple crown good. Then again, I would probably say the same about Derek Lee. I dunno, I just haven't bought into Pujols yet. Again, I think he's a good player and definitely all-star caliber, but I don't think at this time there's a comparison between him and Palmeiro.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols? Waaay overrated. I mean the guy is good, but why the fvck does everyone look at him like he's the best player in the past 25 years or something all the sudden?

Guerrero is pretty solid, I'd say that he's probably the best player listed.

Arod? Ehhh... maybe. I still think it's a mistake for him to be the highest paid player in baseball. I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be, but I'm sure some idiot will pull up stats to prove me wrong and not realize that stats aren't everything.

Tejada? Definitely not. He's a solid performer on both ends but I don't think he's better than Palmeiro. He might be someday, but not currently.

And Ramirez. He's pretty good. I don't think he's playing to his full potential and I hope that he gets something in him that makes him up it a notch or two for the rest of his career. Probably the second best choice and only one that's really a good choice besides Vladdy G.

Please tell me how Pujols is overrated.

Last season and even somewhat this season everyone acted like he was the man to be, and that he was a serious contender for a triple crown. I think the guy is good, but I don't think he is triple crown good. Then again, I would probably say the same about Derek Lee. I dunno, I just haven't bought into Pujols yet. Again, I think he's a good player and definitely all-star caliber, but I don't think at this time there's a comparison between him and Palmeiro.

right now, palmeiro ranks as an all time great first baseman. mb the 3th or 4th best first baseman of all time.

if pujols career ended today, he wouldn't even be on the list.

 

[happybelly]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: happybelly

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: happybelly
Naming five current players better than Palmeiro is easy. Pujols, Guerrero, Arod, Tejada and Ramirez. I could name more, but those guys are all clearly better than Palmeiro.

That being said, Palmeiro has very impressive career numbers and is a First Ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Pujols? Waaay overrated. I mean the guy is good, but why the fvck does everyone look at him like he's the best player in the past 25 years or something all the sudden?

Guerrero is pretty solid, I'd say that he's probably the best player listed.

Arod? Ehhh... maybe. I still think it's a mistake for him to be the highest paid player in baseball. I honestly don't think he's as good as he used to be, but I'm sure some idiot will pull up stats to prove me wrong and not realize that stats aren't everything.

Tejada? Definitely not. He's a solid performer on both ends but I don't think he's better than Palmeiro. He might be someday, but not currently.

And Ramirez. He's pretty good. I don't think he's playing to his full potential and I hope that he gets something in him that makes him up it a notch or two for the rest of his career. Probably the second best choice and only one that's really a good choice besides Vladdy G.

Please tell me how Pujols is overrated.

Last season and even somewhat this season everyone acted like he was the man to be, and that he was a serious contender for a triple crown. I think the guy is good, but I don't think he is triple crown good. Then again, I would probably say the same about Derek Lee. I dunno, I just haven't bought into Pujols yet. Again, I think he's a good player and definitely all-star caliber, but I don't think at this time there's a comparison between him and Palmeiro.

Just because he hasn't won the Triple Crown doesn't mean he isn't a top 5 player in the game. Nobody has won the Crown since Carl Yastrzemsky in 1967.

Pujols currently has the 6th best career OPS of all time at 1.038. He's been amazingly good and consistant since coming into the League. Derrek Lee isn't even close to Pujols career wise, this is Lee's career year. Lee's career OPS is just .837 before this year. I think Lee is pretty solid though.

 

[PlatinumGold]

another analogy, is Raphy about the equivalent of the NFL's Curtis Martin?

mb my emmitt smith analogy wasn't quite accurate as emmitt is the all time rushing yardage leader.

 

[dbk]

Palmeiro is definately not the best 1B in MLB history, I'd give it to Lou Gehrig or Jimmy Foxx
Edit: I guess you can compare Palmeiro to Curtis Martin. No titles to show but big numbers cumulated over a long career in their respective sport.

 

[DocBartend]

A-rod, Clemens, Maddux, Johnson, and i think Big Poppy is extreme. No way Chipper makes the HOF. I'm a Barves fan as well but i just dont see him staying healthy, he's more like #3 Murphy.

I think i agree that Martin and Raffy are about the same situation. I just dont understand why Martin isnt bigger since he's a New York/Jersey player.