Regan vs. Obama

[werepossum]

If you think a lying POS traitor like Ollie North "knew" about that much about the Contras' drug trafficking while illegally shipping planeloads of arms and wasn't taking a piece of the action, either you're naive beyond comprehension or you've been smoking some of Ollie's crack. It was just one more illegal revenue stream in their cesspool of treason.

Ah, the old liberal "We know he's guilty!" tactic. Funny how in liberal world the man who risks his life for his country is automatically assumed to be guilty.

 

[Harvey]

Ah, the old liberal "We know he's guilty!" tactic. Funny how in liberal world the man who risks his life for his country is automatically assumed to be guilty.

Ah, the right wingnut denial that he's guilty, even though he was convicted of crimes. He even admitted his part in Iran-Contra so the fact that his conviction was overturned on a technicality doesn't make your lame ass denial any more meaningful, let alone valid.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Ah, the old liberal "We know he's guilty!" tactic. Funny how in liberal world the man who risks his life for his country is automatically assumed to be guilty.

So how do you explain his admitted perjury to Congress? You do know that is illegal, right? He lied under oath, just like Clinton.

Even worse, he was a serving Marine officer when he did this. He should have been court-martialed, dishonorably discharged and gotten to spend vacation time in Portsmouth.

Do you disagree with this?

How he gets elevated to some sort of "true American patriot" is beyond me. He is scum.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

It's also telling that spidey07 can't (or won't) defend his original post, and once again, slinks away to await starting another thread.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's also telling that spidey07 can't (or won't) defend his original post, and once again, slinks away to await starting another thread.

Maintaining denial obviously isn't easy- you need to jump around a lot, invoke willful blindness and selective hearing quite often... It's really a lot of work, but Spidey's up to the task... He's got his mind right, that's for sure...

 

[werepossum]

Ah, the right wingnut denial that he's guilty, even though he was convicted of crimes. He even admitted his part in Iran-Contra so the fact that his conviction was overturned on a technicality doesn't make your dumbass denial any more meaningful.

None of those crimes (whose convictions were overturned, agreed) were for drug trafficking, correct? Yet that is the charge that you insist on tacking on. He admitted dealing arms to fund weapons and support for the Contras, who were fighting the same South American Communism the Soviets and Red Chinese had for decades funded, after Congress cut off funding for the Congress. (That the Congress then as now shared the same party as the Communist-that-was-almost president, Henry Wallace, is of course purely coincidence.)

Just goes to show that there are real differences between the two parties after all. Some of us prefer the party that lies to risk their lives fighting for freedom, and some of us prefer the party that lies for their right to commit adultery with fat chicks without consequences. Viva la difference I suppose.

 

[Jhhnn]

Werepossum does good denial, too, with added distractions and evasions, as well...

Nifty mental gymnastics and grandstanding there, too...

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Just goes to show that there are real differences between the two parties after all. Some of us prefer the party that breaks the law to make money and play power games, and some of us prefer the party that lies for their right to commit adultery with fat chicks without consequences. Viva la difference I suppose.

Fixed that for you. It's pretty telling that you don't mind the law being broken, as long as you think it is "right". Of course, everyone else can't break the law, either. Nice double standard you have there. Really nice. Breaking the law is A-OK if you have a R after your name. Brilliant thinking there.

And you have ignored my post about good old Ollie. He admitted perjury, he was a convicted felon that got his crimes overturned on a legal technicality. Why do you think he is a great person, when you vilify Clinton? Clinton and North committed the exact same crime.

Funny how your partisan blinders miss that part.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Maintaining denial obviously isn't easy- you need to jump around a lot, invoke willful blindness and selective hearing quite often... It's really a lot of work, but Spidey's up to the task... He's got his mind right, that's for sure...

He's a true American patriot. He knows what he knows, and doesn't need anyone telling him the truth, just like Bush. Who needs anything like "facts" or "evidence" when you know you are right. He probably thinks he is doing God's work also.

 

[werepossum]

Werepossum does good denial, too, with added distractions and evasions, as well...

Nifty mental gymnastics and grandstanding there, too...

Thanks! Coming from the guy that blamed the repeated voter registration fraud of President Obama's old power base, ACORN, on secret Republican ninjas that's a real complement.

 

[Harvey]

None of those crimes (whose convictions were overturned, agreed) were for drug trafficking, correct?

I didn't say they were. OTOH, Ollie North is dishonorable traitor who disgraced his uniform, committed felonies against the United States of America and lied to cover it up. The rest of the info I posted goes a lot further to link him to the crimes of the drug runners he financed than it does to put any distance between him, them and their crimes. If you think otherwise, prove it.

He admitted dealing arms to fund weapons and support for the Contras,...

Which was a FELONY. In other words, as I said, he's lying POS and a disgrace to the uniform he wore and the oath he swore.

... who were fighting the same South American Communism

EEEK!!! OMFGWTBBQ It's the dreaded < shudder > "Communism," that world shaking fear word used by fear mongering right wingnuts since forever, especially when they have nothing else worthy of intellectual consideration. I doubt you could define either Communism communism, let alone know the difference between them.

I'm not going to waste my time digging up details of that history, but the way you toss around the fear word suugests either extreme paranoia or a complete lack of understanding of what was really happening at the time.

[quoteJust goes to show that there are real differences between the two parties after all. Some of us prefer the party that lies to risk their lives fighting for freedom, and some of us prefer the party that lies for their right to commit adultery with fat chicks without consequences. Viva la difference I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Personally, prefer tall, slender chicks. I'll leave the fatties to you, but I'd rather get laid a lot than violate the laws of my country and betray the uniform of an American military man to ship arms to one side of two sided Central American fuster cluck and finance drug lords like that traitor, Ollie North.

I'd also rather get laid a lot than vote for the party of the your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal who sent thousands of American troops troops to die in a war based entirely on lies or order Americans to commit torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The expression is French, not Spanish so vive (not viva) la difference indeed.

 

[theamericans075]

Reminder that Reagan called nun-raping death squads similiar to the founding fathers

 

[werepossum]

I didn't say they were. OTOH, Ollie North is dishonorable traitor who disgraced his uniform, committed felonies against the United States of America and lied to cover it up. The rest of the info I posted goes a lot further to link him to the crimes of the drug runners he financed than it does to put any distance between him, them and their crimes. If you think otherwise, prove it.



Which was a FELONY. In other words, as I said, he's lying POS and a disgrace to the uniform he wore and the oath he swore.



EEEK!!! OMFGWTBBQ It's the dreaded < shudder > "Communism," that world shaking fear word used by fear mongering right wingnuts since forever, especially when they have nothing else worthy of intellectual consideration. I doubt you could define either Communism communism, let alone know the difference between them.

I'm not going to waste my time digging up details of that history, but the way you toss around the fear word suugests either extreme paranoia or a complete lack of understanding of what was really happening at the time.

Just goes to show that there are real differences between the two parties after all. Some of us prefer the party that lies to risk their lives fighting for freedom, and some of us prefer the party that lies for their right to commit adultery with fat chicks without consequences. Viva la difference I suppose.

Personally, prefer tall, slender chicks. I'll leave the fatties to you, but I'd rather get laid a lot than violate the laws of my country and betray the uniform of an American military man to ship arms to one side of two sided Central American fuster cluck and finance drug lords like that traitor, Ollie North.

I'd also rather get laid a lot than vote for the party of the your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal who sent thousands of American troops troops to die in a war based entirely on lies or order Americans to commit torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The expression is French, not Spanish so vive (not viva) la difference indeed.

No, you never claimed he was convicted of drug trafficking, but you did claim that he was drug trafficking. Now you want me to prove he wasn't? Prove a negative?

I also like the way you cavalierly dismiss fears about the ideology that killed scores of millions of people within the century in question. Yeah, that's obviously a foolish fear made up by evil Republicans to sell cocaine. Only progressives really know what things mean - obviously not those countries that self-identify as Communist. They're probably Republicans in disguise.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

No, you never claimed he was convicted of drug trafficking, but you did claim that he was drug trafficking. Now you want me to prove he wasn't? Prove a negative?

I also like the way you cavalierly dismiss fears about the ideology that killed scores of millions of people within the century in question. Yeah, that's obviously a foolish fear made up by evil Republicans to sell cocaine. Only progressives really know what things mean - obviously not those countries that self-identify as Communist. They're probably Republicans in disguise.

Again, do you deny that Ollie ADMITTED that he lied under oath to Congress? Do you know that perjury is a crime? Shouldn't you be defending Clinton for his perjury, since you defend Ollie? This is the third time you are ignoring this. I guess the truth hurts.

You won't admit your idol ADMITTED that he broke the law. How does that escape you? He was an active duty career Marine that went before Congress, and lied under oath. How anyone can defend that behavior is beyond me.

I guess you also think Scooter Libby was a great person, and that despite being convicted, he really didn't do anything wrong.

Again, it's obvious the rule of law doesn't bother you. That is what is wrong with people like you. It's not a right-wing or left-wing problem, it's a partisan problem that says "my side can do whatever they want and break the law, because they are right". Well, grow up and smell the roses, because that ain't true (for either side).

It doesn't matter what you "thought" about why he did what he did, as a military officer, he is duty bound to NOT break the law, which he knowingly and willingly did. That makes him unfit to wear a uniform, and as I said, he should have gone to a naval prison. You should know this already, but people have to do a lot of things they don't want to do, but they do them anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thanks! Coming from the guy that blamed the repeated voter registration fraud of President Obama's old power base, ACORN, on secret Republican ninjas that's a real complement.

Oooh! Making false attributions obviously gives you a thrill, allows denial to be maintained... Keep saying it, I'm sure you can convince yourself it's true... make everything all better, make Ronnie-worship a truly wholesome and patriotic activity, despite the death squads, nun raping and financing of drug smuggling organization that he ordered, some in violation of the law... Nun raping apparently wasn't illegal in El Salvador at the time...

Ron-nie! Ron-nie! Ron-nie! His deeds are immaterial- he's now the stuff of legend and myth, a near perfect propaganda construct... not a B grade actor whose best role was playing president...

 

[werepossum]

oooh! Making false attributions obviously gives you a thrill, allows denial to be maintained... Keep saying it, i'm sure you can convince yourself it's true... Make everything all better, make ronnie-worship a truly wholesome and patriotic activity, despite the death squads, nun raping and financing of drug smuggling organization that he ordered, some in violation of the law... Nun raping apparently wasn't illegal in el salvador at the time...

Ron-nie! Ron-nie! Ron-nie! His deeds are immaterial- he's now the stuff of legend and myth, a near perfect propaganda construct... Not a b grade actor whose best role was playing president...

let me re-phrase the op-

uhh-waaahhhh!!!!

Followed by quoted snivelling and whining by republican registrars...

righties seem to know that they're really badly outnumbered, so it's important for them to attempt to suppress registration and voting by people not likely to favor them at the polls... Hence the raving, raging and foaming at the mouth wrt acorn...

Hell, some probably follow acorn staffers around, offer bogus registration information just so they can whine about it later... Think about it- no id is required to register, so fraud is obviously quite easy, particularly in an attempt to discredit the victim of fraud- acorn, in this case...

if the law required id to register, like it now does to vote almost everywhere, this so-called "problem" would go away... So, uhh, why didn't your team do that when they were in power? Probably because they need some distractions to whine about... Keep the faithful minions riled up with their panties in a wad, blinded by self-righteous indignation...

qed?

 

[Turin39789]

"Again, do you deny that Ollie ADMITTED that he lied under oath to Congress? "

You've been asked this multiple times and you keep forgetting to answer it

 

[Steeplerot]

Honesty for once from a righty.
It's ok to lie rape and steal, as long as it is in the name of almighty $.

It is a damn shame the Dems are not anywhere near the Commies you guys paint them as, people like this should be first against the wall.

 

[werepossum]

"Again, do you deny that Ollie ADMITTED that he lied under oath to Congress? "

You've been asked this multiple times and you keep forgetting to answer it

Sorry, no, I don't deny it. Must have missed the question. For that I think he should have received whatever the standard punishment for lying to Congress is (I think it should be a medal personally, Congress being the opposite of Progress after all, but I recognize that some penalty must be assessed evenly to have the rule of law.) But I admit I took delight when the Dems gave him immunity thinking he would turn over Reagan. Even assuming Reagan knew about it (and Reagan was hardly a hands-on president, he was a delegater) they should have known that a man willing to die for his country (or lie to Congress and possibly go to prison) wouldn't have turned over Reagan to the likes of them in any case.

Interesting fact: The first time I ever heard the name "Osama bin Ladin" was from North's lips. He called him the most evil man he knew (insert obligatory foaming moonbat Reagan joke here) and said he feared him. The liberals laughed at him . . .

 

[heyheybooboo]

LOL


Ollie North warned of Osama Bin Laden-Fiction!

Q: Did Oliver North warn Al Gore about Osama bin Laden at Senate hearings in 1987?

A: This ridiculous hoax has been circulating since 2001, even though the secretary of the U.S. Senate and North himself have debunked it.

FULL QUESTION

To the editor, I’ve gotten this e-mail more than once. Is it true?

Do you remember 1987……..

Thought you might be interested in this forgotten bit of information………

It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt. Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Co ntra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by a senator; ‘Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?’

Ollie replied, ‘Yes, I did, Sir.’

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience,
‘Isn’t that just a little excessive?’

‘No, sir,’ continued Ollie.

‘No? And why not?’ the senator asked.

‘Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir.’

‘Threatened? By whom?’ the senator questioned.

‘By a terrorist, sir’ Ollie answered.

‘Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?’

‘His name is Osama bin Laden, sir’ Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn’t pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn’t. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued.

‘Why are you so afraid of this man?’ the senator asked.

‘Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of ‘
Ollie answered..

‘And what do you recommend we do about him?’ asked the senator.

‘Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth.’

The senator disagreed with this approach. And, that was all that was shown of the clip.

By the way, that senator was Al Gore..

. . .

This has not been broken since 9/11/01, please keep it going…
This has been kept alive and moving since 9/11. In memory of
all those who perished this morning; th e passengers and the pilots on the
United Air and AA flights, the workers in the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon, and all the innocent bystanders. Our prayers go out to the friends and families of the deceased.

Send this to at least 10 people to show your support

PLEASE DON’T BREAK IT !!!!!!

FULL ANSWER

The durability of this falsehood is remarkable. North himself debunked it publicly more than seven years ago, and it has been proven false again and again. Yet gullible people keep it going year after year.

North is a former Reagan White House national security aide and longtime conservative celebrity. The claim that he warned a congressional committee about bin Laden in 1987 is false on several counts.

It isn’t historically plausible, for one thing. Bin Laden didn’t form al Qaeda until the year following North’s testimony. In 1987 bin Laden was still fighting Soviet troops occupying Afghanistan, with the support of the United States.

Furthermore, then-Sen. Al Gore of Tennessee was not even a member of the congressional panel that grilled North during those 1987 televised hearings into the Iran-Contra affair. The full membership of the Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition is listed on page V of the final report, and Gore is not among them.

 

[Red Dawn]

He admitted dealing arms to fund weapons and support for the Contras, who were fighting the same South American Communism the Soviets and Red Chinese had for decades funded, after Congress cut off funding for the Congress.

🙄 How'd that turn out. Oh yeah Ortega ended up becoming President of El Salvador twice and the Domino effect never happened. In fact instead of exporting Communism El Salvador ended up exporting something much worse, Refugees from the Contra War, many who turned into the insidious MS13 that's plaguing every major city in the US.

 

[werepossum]

LOL


Ollie North warned of Osama Bin Laden-Fiction!

My bad, you're right. It wasn't bin Ladin, it was Abu Nidal.

Red Dawn - funny how well fighting Communism worked, right?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Sorry, no, I don't deny it. Must have missed the question. For that I think he should have received whatever the standard punishment for lying to Congress is (I think it should be a medal personally, Congress being the opposite of Progress after all, but I recognize that some penalty must be assessed evenly to have the rule of law.) But I admit I took delight when the Dems gave him immunity thinking he would turn over Reagan. Even assuming Reagan knew about it (and Reagan was hardly a hands-on president, he was a delegater) they should have known that a man willing to die for his country (or lie to Congress and possibly go to prison) wouldn't have turned over Reagan to the likes of them in any case.

Interesting fact: The first time I ever heard the name "Osama bin Ladin" was from North's lips. He called him the most evil man he knew (insert obligatory foaming moonbat Reagan joke here) and said he feared him. The liberals laughed at him . . .

LOL! So I guess you would give Clinton a medal for lying under oath as well. Want to backtrack again?

And double LOL at getting owned on the fake OBL quote by Ollie. Guess we know werepossum is delusional and doesn't even know the basic facts here.

 

[Harvey]

I also like the way you cavalierly dismiss fears about the ideology that killed scores of millions of people within the century in question. Yeah, that's obviously a foolish fear made up by evil Republicans to sell cocaine. Only progressives really know what things mean - obviously not those countries that self-identify as Communist. They're probably Republicans in disguise.

No, Republicans just make up foolish fictional fears like WMD's, uranium in Niger and links between contained tinpot dictators and Al Qaeda as excuses to start wars that kill thousands of American troops and hundereds of thousands of innocent civilians in the countries they invade. And they commit other foolish fictions like torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity in furtherance of their nightmare fantasies. And they commit further foolish fictions like shredding the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution with unwarranted domestic spying.

And, of course, Republicans live in a foolish fictional world where no oversight or regulation is needed to constrain the avarice and greed of their corporate donor overlords.

Reagan was the architype. The Bushwhackos were the fulfillment of Reagan's bullshit.

Right wingnuts like you can only wish the disproven, failed economic theory of "communism" were still a fear-inspiring boogyman. You need it as a bogus distraction to divert attention from those who wrap themselves in the American flag while committing the same crimes and worse.

And I still doubt whether you can define "communist" or "Communist," or whether you even know the difference. 🙄

 

[Red Dawn]

My bad, you're right. It wasn't bin Ladin, it was Abu Nidal.

Red Dawn - funny how well fighting Communism worked, right?

Yeah in Central America it amounted to chasing ghosts and those we aligned ourselves to do it with were a multitude more evil. Nothing any American should be proud of and Ollie North is a disgrace to anybody who ever wore an American Service Uniform.