Refurbished: Corsair Hydro H100 Liquid Cooling Kit $49

chronochime

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And means it has the new internals that aren't prone to failing. What's your point.

Site does not mention *when* it was refurbished, so it might have the old H100 core. Can you say for certain it's the new core? Source? Besides the cabling is still the old ribbed kind that's more prone to leaking. :hmm:
 

Samus

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What's funny is I've been running a 1st-gen Corsair H50 for over 2 years on a heavily overclocked Core i7-950 (130w TDP) with a push-pull fan config on the radiator, and haven't had a single problem.

They've changed the H50 waterblock twice, to make is smaller and "more reliable" but the smaller ones seem to have less cooling capacity/flow...

The problem with all these closed-loop coolers is the waterblock pump. It's very slow. The copper blocks and radiators (although aluminum and wide-finned) are sufficient for massive overclocking. It's the flow that'll bog you down.

However, I have the mentioned H50, an Antec Kuhler 620 (same Asetek kit as the Corsair H60) and the Coolermaster Seidon 120XL (thicker radiator) on various computers and all perform well. I think the Seidon has the best mounting bracket, but definitely the weakest pump. It also has a "multifin" radiator with "more surface area" but it clogs up with dust too often to justify.

I wish somebody would make a closed-loop cooler for GPU+CPU with a pump in the radiator instead of the blocks.
 

gbeirn

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Well I got it in and it looks brand new and everything is working fine. Keeping my 6 core nice and cool at full load.
 
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Well I got it in and it looks brand new and everything is working fine. Keeping my 6 core nice and cool at full load.

That's the beauty of failure. It could be immediate. Or it could be later, down the road, in the middle of that ultimate game of ultimate destiny when in a fit of macho 80's-ism, you challenge a dude to the ultimate battle. If you win, you get the girl, a new life, riches, fame, and a cool new nickname. And he must be banish-shed.

But if you lose, you must walk the walk of shame out of town, lose your cred, be laughed at everywhere you go, and shunned by all including your ex-gf who will have decided by then you are a loser who will go nowhere.

In the middle of the game, right when you are about to kill him and the 80's music is blaring particularly loud, bam! Failure. Your computer does nothing. You bang your head on your keyboard in frustration as you hear in a distant room the sound of your guy dying and the timer buzzing.

You lost. Because your computer failed. Oh, if you had not bought a cooler prone to having pump failures as a refurb for a few dollars less, maybe you would not hear the soft chanting of, "Loser! Loser!"

Wise man once say, "Man blind to future who buy refurb pump." Right after, he thought a moment and added, "Also, running with scissors good way to cut life short."
 

Samus

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That's the beauty of failure. It could be immediate. Or it could be later, down the road, in the middle of that....ranting....more senseless ranting...losing brain cells at this point...

Yes, because the likelihood of an Asetek ceramic pump failing is greater than a typical Chinese cooling fan. I bet the water block alone cools better than the crap stock Intel cooler without a functioning fan. After all, the stock Intel cooler can't even cool a CPU without throttling at full load. (yes, amazingly, that's a FACT.)
 

Rinaun

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Yes, because the likelihood of an Asetek ceramic pump failing is greater than a typical Chinese cooling fan. I bet the water block alone cools better than the crap stock Intel cooler without a functioning fan. After all, the stock Intel cooler can't even cool a CPU without throttling at full load. (yes, amazingly, that's a FACT.)

someone doesn't deal with asetek units. I've had my fair share of bad units (been working with their products for a while in the WC sector). That being said, if it did fail, chances are the PC would shut off long before any real damage was done. They also don't leak unless someone was abusive with the unit. Most failures have to do with the pumps.
 
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someone doesn't deal with asetek units. I've had my fair share of bad units (been working with their products for a while in the WC sector). That being said, if it did fail, chances are the PC would shut off long before any real damage was done. They also don't leak unless someone was abusive with the unit. Most failures have to do with the pumps.


Hence why they have so many refurbs to sell. ;)
 

Samus

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Most air cooling failures have to do with the fan. So what's your point? The point I was trying to make is a pump failure rate is equal to a fan failure rate. The only room for argument is that the failure rate of water cooling could be equated to half as reliable since there are two mechanical failure points: a pump AND a fan, but in that case the fan failure isn't nearly as critical as a fan failure with air cooling.

15+ years ago my Pentium 3 radiator fan failed and I didn't notice for who knows how long (months...) when I went in to upgrade my video card. The fan was completely frozen. Computer had been running fine since.

Likewise, a pump failure would be the equivalent of a fan failure on a HSF: a water block has enough surface area to dissipate idle heat (<10-watts) just like a typical HSF would. The computer wouldn't throttle/shutdown until some prolonged CPU usage.

I don't know why water cooling gets such a bad rap. I've never had a failure. It's clearly superior, even these cheap $50 refurb kits are better in every way than a $50 cooler, while taking up less space, running quieter and putting substantially less stress on the motherboard.