Reforming Juvenile Justice

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Prison is big business. More judges, more corrections officers, more expensive union built facilities and the fat profit on top of that, more on-going contracted services and finally it gives pols a fear issue to run on...eg. "three strikes" "truth in sentencing" an other snazzy catch phases. I'm afriad any real solutions proposed in thread in like pissing in wind.

It turns out that this is a major impediment to the kind of reform Missioui was trying to do, but they were able to interest local communities with meaningful jobs in small facilities. There's many a politician imprisoned by the prison union and prison corporations and stock holders. They create an endless supply of prisoners by training those who get in short time to come back for a longer stay soon.

 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Imprisonment should be reserved for violent offenders, regardless of age. Imprisonment is required for those that pose an actual danger to society. Other crimes should simply be dealt with through public service.

Make a thief spend hundreds of hours working for free for the community. Maybe then he'll understand what it's like to see ones time and effort being stolen.

Edit: LOL, guess I should have read the entire thread before posting. This thread is no longer about juvenile punishment.

The thread is about what you make it about, in my opinion. I absolutely agree that violent offenders cannot be left to offend, but in what way should that be done. We can execute them, we can chemically neuter them, we can surgically alter their behavior, we can imprison them, we can separate them from civilian population is something typically not exactly a prison, and we can do the former and treat them. Everything depends, it seems to me on your vision of the origin of violence and whether it is a sickness that can be cured. The data from Missouri powerfully suggests that treatment hugely decreased recidivism for young people as opposed to states that practice harsh treatment and punishment. So while your point, I think is true, I don't think it is the issue. I fail to see how a knowledge or practice that tries to get at the core of youth delinquency has anything to do with letting people go free who are violent.

Speaking of chemical castratation many pedophiles/rapists who do get out of prison want to get chemical castration, and do so themselves.

I'll go back to reading the "I" and "We" gibberish now...

 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Zebo
Prison is big business. More judges, more corrections officers, more expensive union built facilities and the fat profit on top of that, more on-going contracted services and finally it gives pols a fear issue to run on...eg. "three strikes" "truth in sentencing" an other snazzy catch phases. I'm afriad any real solutions proposed in thread in like pissing in wind.

It turns out that this is a major impediment to the kind of reform Missioui was trying to do, but they were able to interest local communities with meaningful jobs in small facilities. There's many a politician imprisoned by the prison union and prison corporations and stock holders. They create an endless supply of prisoners by training those who get in short time to come back for a longer stay soon.

I wonder if you could make that a buissness somehow... Are there any prison corporations? You could start a youth prison, "brainwash" the young inmates. They'll eventually come back as rapists,murders,theifs and they goverment will pay you to keep these guys locked up.