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ViviTheMage

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We owe 103k on our condo, been here for about 2 years...decided to refi since we are at 6.25% when we closed 2 years ago.

credit union can give us a 4.625% interest rate, 5.38% APR, 30 year fixed...is this a good idea? We plan to stay 2-3 more years, if not longer...
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Originally posted by: Omegachi
do you have to buy points for that rate?

yeah

and how many, in other words, whats the whole cost out of pocket?

3k, which is including closing costs...which i'll try to get rolled into the mortgage....which is why I say the mortgage will be 106....equity has gone up on the place when we originally closed too...not sure if that matters.
 

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The interest payment of 6.25% at this point in your loan is $536.46/month (dropping steadilly as you pay the principal). If you stay for exactly 3 years, you'd pay a total of $18908 in intererst. The three year point is when you either sell or refinance a 2nd time (although a second refinance would probably be unlikely if you have a stable relationship with your partner).

The interest payment of 4.625% on $106k starts at $408.54/month. Over three years, you'd pay $14361 in interest.

Thus, if you stayed exactly three years, you'd save $4546, but you'd have to fork over the $3000 in refinance costs. You'd end up GAINING $1546. The refinance would be a wise move in this case, or in any case where you stay longer.

If you stayed only 2 years, you'd net a whopping gain of $46 after all is said and done.

Finally, if you have to move after one year (lost job, divorce, unforseen incident, etc), this refinance would LOSE you $1470.

It all comes down to when you move.

Note: there will be minor tax differences that I didn't include (more points now vs less interest then). But at your situation, the tax consequences are probably not too big since you owe so little.
 

ViviTheMage

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Thanks dullard, we do plan to stay for a while...at least two years + and maybe rent it out when we decide to upgrade to a house, but that's another story :)
 

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Thanks dullard, we do plan to stay for a while...at least two years + and maybe rent it out when we decide to upgrade to a house, but that's another story :)
You are welcome. If you truely will stay 3 years or more, then I suggest that you refinance but don't lower your payments each month. Pay the savings back to yourself in the form of extra principal. If you do this, you'll pay the same amount each month (a number that you know you can afford), but your mortgage will be paid off in 20 years instead of your current 28 years (and this even includes the $3000 charge).

Yes, you might be able to do better by putting the savings in the stock market. But you could lose it all too or blow it on worthless crap. Having your house paid off in full is a good reward in itself.

In fact, you can force yourself to do this by looking into 20 year mortages. You may do even better on the interest rate. Of course, don't take a 20 year mortgage unless you do have a interest rate savings and/or closing cost savings.
 
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Sorry to come in here and dumb up the thread, but what exactly does "buying points" for a rate mean?
 

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Sorry to come in here and dumb up the thread, but what exactly does "buying points" for a rate mean?
It means that you pay the bank a significant amount of money (usually thousands of dollars), and then then give you a slightly lower interest rate. This way, they can advertise a low rate and customers are happy, often unknowing that they just give a ton of money to the bank. Basically, you pay the interest up front. One point is equal to 1% of the mortgage price - but the amount it changes your interest rate will vary.

For examle, if you are getting a $200k mortgage, then a mortgage with 2 points would cost $4000 more up front in closing costs than a similar mortgage with no points. A $200k mortage with 1 point would cost $2000 more than a similar mortgage with no points.

It is a gamble. If you stay there a long time, buying points may save some money. If you are there a short period of time, then buying points is a horrible waste of your money. The bank is making the opposite gamble. Many people stay at a home for only a short period of time, or refinance, or are forced to change the mortgage by some reason or other (divorce) and the bank cashes in with the points.

ViviTheMage (and anyone else getting a mortgage or refinance) should do the math with and without points BEFORE signing the bottom line.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Sorry to come in here and dumb up the thread, but what exactly does "buying points" for a rate mean?

1 point is 1% of the cost of the mortgage, i.e. 1 point on a $100,000 loan is $1000 and this is part of the closing costs. If you don't pay points, the rate goes up. Points are tax deductible however which is what Dullard was alluding to when he said there will be minor tax differences.
 

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vivi, your bank is only charging you 3k for everything? my loan officer's bank wants to charge me 5k for a lower interest rate (at about 4.5%) when i want to refi about 130k.
 

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Originally posted by: Omegachi
vivi, your bank is only charging you 3k for everything? my loan officer's bank wants to charge me 5k for a lower interest rate (at about 4.5%) when i want to refi about 130k.

That's ridiculous, how does the $5k breakout?

I'm refinancing to 4.875% no points for only $1.5k in closing costs.
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: Omegachi
vivi, your bank is only charging you 3k for everything? my loan officer's bank wants to charge me 5k for a lower interest rate (at about 4.5%) when i want to refi about 130k.

3k, and that includes my point cost as well.
 
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