Red States Vote to Raise Minimum Wage!

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Mai72

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102153073

This is one victory Democrats can be proud of! Republicans were against raising the minimum wage, yet it passed in Republican controlled states.

Can Republicans explain why their own people voted for an agenda that was purely Democratic?
 
glenn1

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Mai72 said:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102153073

Can Republicans explain why their own people voted for an agenda that was purely Democratic?
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Because federalism? I know it might shock and amaze some but things like this are generally better when done at the lowest level since it will reflect local conditions far better than a one size fits all mandate centrally issued by Washington.
 
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smackababy

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glenn1 said:
Because federalism? I know it might shock and amaze some but things like this are generally better when done at the lowest level since it will reflect local conditions far better than a one size fits all mandate centrally issued by Washington.
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Are you trying to imply that the cost of living can vary greatly based on the geographic region of the United States and that a livable wage in say California is going to be incredibly high in say Texas? What kind of lunacy is this? We need one federal government to mandate everything for the entire 316 million citizens in the US in all 3.7 million square miles exactly alike!
 
Mai72

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Are you guys disappointed that a mandate that was put forth by Democrats was able to garner enough votes in states that are Republican controlled?
 
waggy

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smackababy said:
Are you trying to imply that the cost of living can vary greatly based on the geographic region of the United States and that a livable wage in say California is going to be incredibly high in say Texas? What kind of lunacy is this? We need one federal government to mandate everything for the entire 316 million citizens in the US in all 3.7 million square miles exactly alike!
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LOL ok. damn the one time you actually post something right!


MIn wage is best done at a local level.
 
xBiffx

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Looks like they were trying to keep up with other states. None of these new wages are groundbreaking.
 
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Mai72 said:
Are you guys disappointed that a mandate that was put forth by Democrats was able to garner enough votes in states that are Republican controlled?
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I think its disappointing that nobody wants to take responsibility for themselves and control their own fate. When I was a kid, I worked at Burger King as a teenager. I decided in high school that I didn't want to work min wage my entire life serving slop for the next 60 years. So I decided to buy some computer programming books, and I spent my lunch break in the library reading and studying them rather than eating lunch with my friends. I taught myself how to program and got a job doing it immediately out of high school.

Something that most kids in my generation haven't achieved. Not because they were unable to do so, but because they won't take responsibility for their lives.

As far as min wage is concerned. I don't care. I haven't received min wage since I was 16 years old working at Burger King. Every job since has been at least double min wage was. It's not difficult. I'm not special. I don't have some secret sauce in me that allows me to succeed while others fails. People fail because they choose to fail. That's what disappointing to me.
 
blankslate

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xBiffx said:
None of these new wages are groundbreaking.
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Actually the provisions in 2 of the measures (if I remember correctly) that has the wages fixed to inflation are rather interesting.

If the federal minimum wage was pegged to inflation in the past it have been adjusted automatically throughout the years and would easily be noticeably higher than $7.25/hr.


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Fanatical Meat

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Excellent points BrandonBob, I still am shocked with how many people are against others making a little extra money. $15 is pretty high but $9.50 or $10.10 its not a ludicrous figure and pay increases have not matched corporate profits for years. Basically all of us are doing more work for the same/slightly lower pay.
 
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brandonb said:
I think its disappointing that nobody wants to take responsibility for themselves and control their own fate. When I was a kid, I worked at Burger King as a teenager. I decided in high school that I didn't want to work min wage my entire life serving slop for the next 60 years. So I decided to buy some computer programming books, and I spent my lunch break in the library reading and studying them rather than eating lunch with my friends. I taught myself how to program and got a job doing it immediately out of high school.

Something that most kids in my generation haven't achieved. Not because they were unable to do so, but because they won't take responsibility for their lives.

As far as min wage is concerned. I don't care. I haven't received min wage since I was 16 years old working at Burger King. Every job since has been at least double min wage was. It's not difficult. I'm not special. I don't have some secret sauce in me that allows me to succeed while others fails. People fail because they choose to fail. That's what disappointing to me.
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I used to think that too. I haven't made minimum wage since I was 16 either.

Today however I've watched as friends who were making 60-80 thousand a year were lowered to 12 bucks an hour. Companies have no problem lowering wages to almost the bare minimum since there simply aren't enough high paying jobs out there for people to switch to. My friends had to suck it up since nobody else would hire them. Luckily in time they got raises but they're still making a fraction of their old salary. As a business owner I understand that lowering overhead in tough economic times means slashing wages but companies today are still making healthy profits. We have gotten so ridiculous that if a company posts a $4b profit we get disappointed and hammer their stock.

Let's look at the number of Americans making minimum wage. I simply have no faith in companies to not pay their employees the least amount possible. They'll say that $2/hr is what is needed to stay competitive with China.

You can't expect everyone out there to be a high skilled worker like you and me but I can vote for higher minimum wages with no problem since CEOs today have no problem making 300-500 times the average worker salary.
 
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Mai72 said:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102153073

This is one victory Democrats can be proud of! Republicans were against raising the minimum wage, yet it passed in Republican controlled states.

Can Republicans explain why their own people voted for an agenda that was purely Democratic?
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straight ticket voting doesn't mark anything for ballot initiatives. guessing the vote totals for ballot initiatives are much lower than votes for people in the same jurisdiction.
 
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doubledeluxe said:
You can't expect everyone out there to be a high skilled worker like you and me but I can vote for higher minimum wages with no problem since CEOs today have no problem making 300-500 times the average worker salary.
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Here is an interesting video that touches upon the subjects you brought up in the above quote the link includes the jump to the pertinent section of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8&t=11m59s


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Brainonska511

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brandonb said:
I think its disappointing that nobody wants to take responsibility for themselves and control their own fate. When I was a kid, I worked at Burger King as a teenager. I decided in high school that I didn't want to work min wage my entire life serving slop for the next 60 years. So I decided to buy some computer programming books, and I spent my lunch break in the library reading and studying them rather than eating lunch with my friends. I taught myself how to program and got a job doing it immediately out of high school.

Something that most kids in my generation haven't achieved. Not because they were unable to do so, but because they won't take responsibility for their lives.

As far as min wage is concerned. I don't care. I haven't received min wage since I was 16 years old working at Burger King. Every job since has been at least double min wage was. It's not difficult. I'm not special. I don't have some secret sauce in me that allows me to succeed while others fails. People fail because they choose to fail. That's what disappointing to me.
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Congratulations on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and improving your station in life.

However, that doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of hard working people working multiple minimum wage jobs just trying to make ends meet. The very notion that people working minimum wage jobs (even multiple ones) are qualifying for government benefits also indicates that we are subsidizing cheap labor for businesses. I don't think it's fair that we're giving a handout to the business owners at the expense of the taxpayers.

But in the context of minimum wage, I wouldn't mind the Federal government setting a minimum and allowing states to decide how much higher (if they want) to set the minimum wage at.
 
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