Red States - Less safe

[MrSquished]

When it comes to transportation accidents. And gun violence usually, but this is about transportation fatalities.

And Europe is solidly better than the US.

Factors are most likely - Red States have less interest in communist things like mass transit, they are probably more against authoritarian things like seatbelts in cars and helmets on motorcycles and bikes.

 

[hal2kilo]

When it comes to transportation accidents. And gun violence usually, bit this is about transportation fatalities.

And Europe is solidly better than the US.

Factors are most likely - Red States have less interest in communist things like mass transit, they are probably more against authoritarian things like seatbelts in cars and helmets on motorcycles and bikes.

Following the American dream of living free AND DYING.

 

[MtnMan]

Following the American dream of living free AND DYING.

FreeDUMBS

 

[MtnMan]

When it comes to transportation accidents. And gun violence usually, but this is about transportation fatalities.

And Europe is solidly better than the US.

Factors are most likely - Red States have less interest in communist things like mass transit, they are probably more against authoritarian things like seatbelts in cars and helmets on motorcycles and bikes.

I wager that a seatbelt usage map would correlate very closely with that map.

 

[Leeea]

I wager that a seatbelt usage map would correlate very closely with that map.

Seat belts are like vaccines! A complete hoax!

Everyone knows that being ejected out of the vehicle through a reinforced glass windshield is 100% safer then wearing a seat belt!


If you take safety seriously, you need to take up hard drinking and driving!:

Odds Favor Drunk Trauma Victims

A study in the journal American Surgeon finds that trauma victims who were inebriated at the time of their injury have higher survival rates than their sober counterparts. Rachel Kremen reports

www.scientificamerican.com

A bottle of Jack is better then a seatbelt any day! A safe drive is the one you do not remember taking!

 

[MtnMan]

Seat belts are like vaccines! A complete hoax!

Everyone knows that being ejected out of the vehicle through a reinforced glass windshield is 100% safer then wearing a seat belt!


If you take safety seriously, you need to take up hard drinking and driving!:

Odds Favor Drunk Trauma Victims

A study in the journal American Surgeon finds that trauma victims who were inebriated at the time of their injury have higher survival rates than their sober counterparts. Rachel Kremen reports

www.scientificamerican.com

A bottle of Jack is better then a seatbelt any day!

I understand your sarcasm, but this is also why I have absolutely fucking zero tolerance with the anti-vaxxers, it's a hoax idiots, and hold no punches in expressing it to them in blunt terms.

I was a firefighter/first responder for many years. Responded to far too many fatal crashes, but never unbuckled a dead person. Typical, buckled in occupant is walking around in total anguish as we remove the body, typically from the middle of the road, or under the vehicle, or worse.

I don't even want to relate some of the shit I've dealt with, but I can't fucking forget too many events. An absolutely gorgeous 20-year-old, the daughter of people I knew vaguely, decapitated while the passenger who was buckled in, out of the car was laying in the street screaming but unhurt, at 2 AM.

Up close, dealing with such utter stupidity (to not take 2 second to buckle up) takes its toll on those that must deal with the aftermath. Not to mention how her parents are probably still haunted by the event, and were probably told it must be a closed coffin. I can only hope they didn't have to go through identifying the body.

I also knew the Highway Patrol Trooper that investigated this call, and he admitted this one got to him.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

You can likely pile on the usual issues with rural life as well:

- Long stretches of sparsely driven road: more time for someone else to find you, phone in or assist in a severe crash.
- No nearby hospitals or medical centers. Wonder how many people die waiting for an ambulance to arrive and stabilize them, or die on the way back to the hospital because the Ambulance cannot stabilize them.

 

[Torn Mind]

It's quite dangerous on the Capital Beltway.

Stats can provide some information, but it doesn't contradict protocols to adopt in local areas.

Like in certain college towns, there are far more night pedestrians and at least a few of them do go the way of the dodo.

Traffic fatalities are a subset of accident data.

 

[Bitek]

I don't understand how WY can be so high. Literally no one else there to crash into.

No trees

Nothing.

How??

 

[MrSquished]

I don't understand how WY can be so high. Literally no one else there to crash into.

No trees

Nothing.

How??

Maybe nothing else to do at night for a bunch of folks so they drink and drive

 

[feralkid]

I don't understand how WY can be so high. Literally no one else there to crash into.

No trees

Nothing.

How??

The figures are a percentage.

 

[Bitek]

The figures are a percentage.

Per Capita.

Doesn't at all relate to cause of all the accidents.

 

[Leeea]

I don't understand how WY can be so high. Literally no one else there to crash into.

No trees

Nothing.

How??

A narrow country road ditch will flip a SUV or pickup moving 70 mph no problem.

I have seen normal cars flipped in the winter alongside country roads. Granted, my experience as WI, but a bit of speed, a bit of skid, and a narrow back country road ditch and anything will go upside down. Drive that road every day, three months later, and you will not hesitate to go flying down that iced over road at 60 mph either. Suggest-o-steer.

Then your upside down. Windows broken. It is freezing. There is a cold wind chill sweeping in from the north. If your very lucky you will find your phone on the roof and still working.


On the flip side it makes for friendly neighbors. Everybody knows that it might be them in the ditch, and they would prefer you pulled over and helped them. In the night in the snow flying/whiting out the headlights, real easy not to see someone not on the road.

 

[feralkid]

A narrow country road ditch will flip a SUV or pickup moving 70 mph no problem.

I have seen normal cars flipped in the winter alongside country roads. Granted, my experience as WI, but a bit of speed, a bit of skid, and a narrow back country road ditch and anything will go upside down.

Then your upside down. Windows broken. It is freezing. There is a cold wind chill sweeping in from the north. Good luck.


On the flip side it makes for friendly neighbors. Everybody knows that it might be them in the ditch, and they would prefer you pulled over and helped them.

Then at night, the ice-weasels come. Been there.

 

[pmv]

Doesn't look quite so bad when viewed at a national level. I guess because the lower-death-rate states are also the higher-population ones. So the really bad states don't show up in nation-level figures.
I wonder how much of it is explained by the single factor of drunk-driving? I've heard that's really bad in New Mexico, for example.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm surprised Russia isn't worse than it is. Youtube videos make it look appalling.

 

[Leeea]

Then at night, the ice-weasels come. Been there.

I remember being in the back end of nowhere, with my 1972 Arctic Cat dead on an access trail nobody uses. Starlight so bright and twinkling. Crunch of the snow under the boots, the realization the flashlight is dead but it is so bright out it is hardly needed. The coyotes in the distance chatting with each other. Really carries well on a cold winter night. I am somewhat mechanically inclined, after all I did I repair it enough to get it "working" from scrap. Was lucky, all it did was overheat*. Self solving problem as it sat there.

*old ignition coil

 

[fleshconsumed]

I wager that a seatbelt usage map would correlate very closely with that map.

I'm guessing it's more about drunk driving. Notice how Utah is a spot of green in a sea of deep red.

 

[soulcougher73]

That is a whole lot of southern winning.

 

[Muse]

I understand your sarcasm, but this is also why I have absolutely fucking zero tolerance with the anti-vaxxers, it's a hoax idiots, and hold no punches in expressing it to them in blunt terms.

I was a firefighter/first responder for many years. Responded to far too many fatal crashes, but never unbuckled a dead person. Typical, buckled in occupant is walking around in total anguish as we remove the body, typically from the middle of the road, or under the vehicle, or worse.

I don't even want to relate some of the shit I've dealt with, but I can't fucking forget too many events. An absolutely gorgeous 20-year-old, the daughter of people I knew vaguely, decapitated while the passenger who was buckled in, out of the car was laying in the street screaming but unhurt, at 2 AM.

Up close, dealing with such utter stupidity (to not take 2 second to buckle up) takes its toll on those that must deal with the aftermath. Not to mention how her parents are probably still haunted by the event, and were probably told it must be a closed coffin. I can only hope they didn't have to go through identifying the body.

I also knew the Highway Patrol Trooper that investigated this call, and he admitted this one got to him.

My car beeps at me if I haven't fastened the seat belt. I ALWAYS fasten! I wonder sometimes how well it would work in an accident or if my airbags would deploy. But I haven't had even a fender bender for over 50 years. I drive defensively. I have nothing to prove. Having lived without a car for 20 straight years and gotten around on bicycles and walking has made me feel like I don't give a damn if I get there 10% faster by rushing in my car. I see impatient drivers every time I leave my house. People are sick in the head.

 

[ch33zw1z]

There's many per capitas

 

[woolfe9998]

Maybe nothing else to do at night for a bunch of folks so they drink and drive

I think if we could delve further into the data, we'd discover that rates of driving while intoxicated are the key factor. I don't know about the southern states, but in midwestern states like Ohio and Michigan, people out there aren't as concerned about drunk driving. The attitude of a drunk person leaving a party is more, avoid the areas with lots of police and don't get caught. Whereas here in CA, people will tell you to get an Uber and won't let you drive.

 

[Muse]

I think if we could delve further into the data, we'd discover that rates of driving while intoxicated are the key factor. I don't know about the southern states, but in midwestern states like Ohio and Michigan, people out there aren't as concerned about drunk driving. The attitude of a drunk person leaving a party is more, avoid the areas with lots of police and don't get caught. Whereas here in CA, people will tell you to get an Uber and won't let you drive.

I will not touch a drop of alcohol if I expect to drive (I'm in California). Too many wigged out drivers here, I don't know what they're on. Didn't used to be this way.

 

[pmv]

I think if we could delve further into the data, we'd discover that rates of driving while intoxicated are the key factor. I don't know about the southern states, but in midwestern states like Ohio and Michigan, people out there aren't as concerned about drunk driving. The attitude of a drunk person leaving a party is more, avoid the areas with lots of police and don't get caught. Whereas here in CA, people will tell you to get an Uber and won't let you drive.

I thought about that, and google turned up this - seems to be some sort of weighted combo of DUI arrests and fatalities per capita. Not sure how they combine those two stats. It doesn't seem like a perfect correlate with that previous map, though it confirms what I'd heard about New Mexico. Also fits with the previous comment about Utah (I guess religion isn't all bad, eh?)

Which States Have The Most Drunk Driving Problems? | backgroundchecks.org

 

[pmv]

The states that don't correlate are interesting. A few states seem to be good at getting themselves killed even when sober.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Does the chart/graph include miles driven?

Of course not, because if it did it would skew the results where the posters don't want them to go.