Red State vs. Blue State

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The most impressive part is that they can win elections while babbling this FUD.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Thera
The most impressive part is that they can win elections while babbling this FUD.

As much as I don't exactly side with a lot of "those people" (😉), I think this dude isn't a fair representation of the right. We should only be so lucky, but we're not 😀

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Vic
There are no such things as "Red States" and "Blue States." That's just an inflammatory propagandist myth. Something on the level of wearing gang colors (and as intentionally divisive). It's not like 100% of the people in one state vote staight-ticket for one party and 100% of the people in another state vote straight-ticket for the other party.

It seems to me that the reason that statists believe in statism is not because they actually want government to fix anything, or that they actually believe that government can fix anything, but because they want a scapegoat to blame for what goes wrong (and WILL go wrong). This particular character flaw knows no party lines.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Vic
There are no such things as "Red States" and "Blue States." That's just an inflammatory propagandist myth. Something on the level of wearing gang colors (and as intentionally divisive). It's not like 100% of the people in one state vote staight-ticket for one party and 100% of the people in another state vote straight-ticket for the other party.

It seems to me that the reason that statists believe in statism is not because they actually want government to fix anything, or that they actually believe that government can fix anything, but because they want a scapegoat to blame for what goes wrong (and WILL go wrong). This particular character flaw knows no party lines.

 

[glenn1]

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

I don't know about that, New Orleans is extremely constrained by the number of routes out of the city, being surrounded by water as it is. I've heard there are only 3 roads out of the city, I'm sure Houston has far more. I can't be sure either way, but both certainly have their issues.

 

[shurato]

OP, 1) please stop posting troll 2) do society a favor and don't procreate. I'm sure you won't have a problem with #2 on your own.

 

[Bitek]

Its cuz Texas has all the Mexicans, you know how industrious they are. NO should incorporate moving in a bunch of Mexicans into the city for future disaster plans. The added benefit is that since they are illegals you don't have to give 'em welfare either. Really its a win-win situation.



BTW

 

[Orsorum]

There's a very simple answer between the two situations: one happened after the other.

If they'd happened at the same time and the same responses had occurred, there might be even a basis for discussion. These two situations happened at different times, and Katrina heightened the sense of danger and the need for immediate evacuation for Rita.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

Houston's evacuation plan:

"OMG!!! GET OUT OF TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur
Trollin' trollin' trollin'

Can't stand reality, can you?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Gusty987
LA a blue state? The high black population (I think about 1/3 of the total pop.) makes Dems a substantial minority there, but still a minority.

Nothing to see here...

edit: spelling

Well that enforces the OP's post. Blue mayor and governor. Looks like two blues is enough to really mess up a state. Keep that in mind right up to the voting booth!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur
Chew on this, troll

PORT ARTHUR, Texas (AP) -- Nearly four days after Hurricane Rita hit, many of the storm's sweltering victims along the Texas Gulf Coast were still waiting for electricity, gasoline, water and other relief Tuesday, prompting one top emergency official to complain that people are ''living like cavemen.''

In the hard-hit refinery towns of Port Arthur and Beaumont, crews struggled to cross debris-clogged streets to deliver generators and water to people stranded by Rita. They predicted it could be a month before power is restored, and said water and sewer systems could not function until more generators arrived.

Red tape was also blamed for the delays.

Port Arthur Mayor Oscar Ortiz, whose own home was destroyed by fire after the hurricane, said ''we've had 101 promises'' for aid, ''but it's all bureaucracy.'' He and other officials gathered at a hotel-turned-command center, where a dirty American flag found among hurricane debris was hung on the wall.

And this:

Louisiana

Republican Bush (Incumbent)
1,102,169 57% 9

Democratic Kerry
820,299 42% 0

Hmm...two red states and two FEMA fvckups

Too bad that two key leadership positions were Democratic, huh? It only takes one bad apple to rot the whole barrel.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: RBachman
People of the OP's intelligence level shouldn't be allowed to vote (or breed, while I'm at it), regardless of which side they would vote for.

When you get that smart, you too can vote.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Zebo
All I know is Utah has the highest welfare and bankruptcy rates in USA and it's the redest of all. They in charge now in DC and you see the pattern duplicated.

DC has sucked since Lady Bird.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

And points out that 30 years of liberal rule did nothing for the Interstate system, just the population.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
There's a very simple answer between the two situations: one happened after the other.

If they'd happened at the same time and the same responses had occurred, there might be even a basis for discussion. These two situations happened at different times, and Katrina heightened the sense of danger and the need for immediate evacuation for Rita.

Ah, but you forget that the previous preperation (for Katrina) by the Texas governor is what gave the refugees from New Orleans a place to go and food. There was nothing in Louisiana for them. A day or so later Baton Rouge got up to speed.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

Considerably better than letting them sit until they had water, chin deep!

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

Considerably better than letting them sit until they had water, chin deep!

So the people needed the government to tell them to leave?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

No link, just the watched the news. about 24 hours after the evac started the roads were empty.

Contraflow should have started sooner.
more fuel should have been prepositioned.
The city should have told people to carpool out of town and only take 1 verhicle per family.
Exit routes should have been better planned.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

Considerably better than letting them sit until they had water, chin deep!

So the people needed the government to tell them to leave?

They seem to have proven that to be a fact. I'm sure staying had some to do with having sat out storms for fifty years and also a bit to do with not trusting your neighbors to leave your stuff alone and not believing there was a dependable police force to safeguard it.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: glenn1

You call the Houston gridlock orderly and prepared???

The vehicle evacuation out of New Orleans was a hell of a lot better.

To be fair, Houston is a helluva lot bigger city than New Orleans, so by sheer traffic volume alone it would have been a more difficult evacuation.

It was a good test for houston, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. But they still managed to empty the city in about 24 hours.

Link?

And even if they did, 24 hours to just reach city limits is insane.

No link, just the watched the news. about 24 hours after the evac started the roads were empty.

Contraflow should have started sooner.
more fuel should have been prepositioned.
The city should have told people to carpool out of town and only take 1 verhicle per family.
Exit routes should have been better planned.

Better imperfect than not at all.

 

[umbrella39]

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