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Red River Of the North megaflood thread

As many of you have probably heard, the Red River of the north is bursting its banks again.

To understand how we got here, last fall was the wettest fall ever after one of the wettest summers ever, and it kept raining pretty much til it froze. This winter followed on dropped about 6 feet of fairly heavy wet snow. then out of nowhere temps spiked into the 50's melting most of the snowpack in about 4 days. Since the red river flows north, already melted snow from the south and west joins newly melted snow in the north and east (which thaw out later) giving a sort orf 1-2 punch. Last monday we had thunderstorms that dropped up to 3 inches of rain, followed immediately by a blizzard that dropped 10 inches of snow, just and emergency levies started to be built.

Dikes in fargo and moorhead are generally built to 39-40 feet, meaning in a record flood, a few temporary dikes would have to be built and some sandbags placed on top to prevent water for lapping over with the wind. This year they new pretty much all winter that it was going to be pretty heavy so they had some preparations set to do this build up.

Unfortunately with all the developments last week they were predicting a new crest of 41 feet, a full foot over the record. Most of the schools, businesses, and others have been mostly closed and everyone out trying to help, and by this afternoon, most of the dikes in fargo and moorhead could protect to 41 feet, barring that they didn't break. Late this afternoon, they raised the crest prediction to 43 feet, and its predicted to be at that level for a week. At this point, i don't think anyone really expects the levees to hold, and people are starting to prepare for evacuation.

The 97 grand forks flood caused about 4 billion in damages, fargo is far larger and more centered about the river. If it hits 43 feet and the levees break, damage with be on katrina scale. luckily it will be too fucking cold for looting. Parts of moorhead are already going under mandatory evacuation.

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Fighting a flood in 18 degree temps HAS to suck.


:beer: to all those in the frigid cold trying to save their homes.
 
Originally posted by: randay
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Fuck that shit.

Also, +1 reason I am glad I left Minnesota in 1997.

Of course, now I have to deal with an inferior education system and illegals that walk around freely.
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: randay
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Fuck that shit.

Also, +1 reason I am glad I left Minnesota in 1997.

Of course, now I have to deal with an inferior education system and illegals that walk around freely.

CA much?
 
Man, best of luck to those folks. It's hard living up there. Some say Texas and the West is no country for old men, but if you ask me, it's the midland north that's where the real badasses live.

/salute and best wishes for all your yokels up there. Stay safe and dry.
 
They've started mandatory evacuations in south Moorhead and a small part of south Fargo, and the local hopsitals just decided to evacuate all of the patients. I'll be heading to the dome at midnight to help fill sandbags for the sixth time this week.
 
And yet nothing on the major news websites...hmmmm.....

It's nice to see that the state is taking care of its own by getting the guard in to help. They aren't blaming the feds for what's going on. BTW, where's FEMA on this?
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: randay
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Fuck that shit.

Also, +1 reason I am glad I left Minnesota in 1997.

Of course, now I have to deal with an inferior education system and illegals that walk around freely.

Which state do you live in? I personally consider MN one of the best places in the country to live and raise a family.
 
I sandbagged in 97 with the NDSU football team. This time it sounds more dire. They are now predicting 43 feet for the crest on Sat Afternoon. They are evacuating neighborhoods. IMO this means they dont have confidence the dikes will hold or they will finish raising them another 2 feet in time.

My wifes family lives in Fargo and Moorhead. We are in constant contact and I we were planning to go up there this weekend for birthdays. We are staying away.

I also heard on the local news a report of one dike possibly failing in Fargo.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I sandbagged in 97 with the NDSU football team. This time it sounds more dire. They are now predicting 43 feet for the crest on Sat Afternoon. They are evacuating neighborhoods. IMO this means they dont have confidence the dikes will hold or they will finish raising them another 2 feet in time.

My wifes family lives in Fargo and Moorhead. We are in constant contact and I we were planning to go up there this weekend for birthdays. We are staying away.

I also heard on the local news a report of one dike possibly failing in Fargo.

No dikes have failed in Fargo, though they found some longitudinal cracks in a small portion of a dike in south Fargo, which led to a small neighborhood being evacuated. The dike is being evaluated and hopefully repaired right now.


The dikes have to not only be tall but also be strong, for even if the water doesn't go over the top, it won't start to go down for at least a week.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: CPA
And yet nothing on the major news websites...hmmmm.....

It's nice to see that the state is taking care of its own by getting the guard in to help. They aren't blaming the feds for what's going on. BTW, where's FEMA on this?

news.google.com to the rescue!
This flooding is also hitting farther north in Winnipeg.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/...ses/1430360/story.html

floods scare me more than most other disasters.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
And yet nothing on the major news websites...hmmmm.....

It's nice to see that the state is taking care of its own by getting the guard in to help. They aren't blaming the feds for what's going on. BTW, where's FEMA on this?

it was one the front of googlenews, and the nytimes websites
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: CPA
And yet nothing on the major news websites...hmmmm.....

It's nice to see that the state is taking care of its own by getting the guard in to help. They aren't blaming the feds for what's going on. BTW, where's FEMA on this?

news.google.com to the rescue!
This flooding is also hitting farther north in Winnipeg.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/...ses/1430360/story.html

floods scare me more than most other disasters.

Yeah, we're lucky that we have the floodway though. I saw them expanding it two years ago since I was in and out of Bird's Hill/Springfield. And to think they caught so much flak when they originally dug it out.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
And yet nothing on the major news websites...hmmmm.....

It's nice to see that the state is taking care of its own by getting the guard in to help. They aren't blaming the feds for what's going on. BTW, where's FEMA on this?

the feds deserve alot of blame for this, after '97 grand fords failed got got a billion dollars to rebuild the dikes, fargo got a pittance because it barely managed to dodge the '97 flood. More proactive leadership would have given us, for the cost of 2-3 billion, levees that would more than hold against this. Instead the city stands on the brink of rivaling katrina in terms of destruction, which is sad because in the last few years fargo had become quite the promising town in spite the atrocious weather. For that matter, the state gave us the finger too, since much.most of the state hold a hell of a grudge against fargo/west fargo. We're like the California of north dakota, if that makes any sense.
 
Manitoba is also preparing for a record flood as they are downstream that same river and the soil is mostly clay, i.e. with little permeability. The federal government is ready to sent troops if needed.
 
I live in Fargo, and I didn't even realize it was so bad until they started canceling classes and work. I don't pay attention to local news. :frown:
 
Originally posted by: Soulchaser
I live in Fargo, and I didn't even realize it was so bad until they started canceling classes and work. I don't pay attention to local news. :frown:

lol this was how it was for me in 97. My dad called me to talk about the floods. I am like really? So the next day my friend who is from South Fargo and I head out in his car. Sure enough the surrounding area looks like an ocean. Miles of water in all directions. Then we get the call from the coaches. Sandbagging instead of spring practice.

This one sounds a little more dire. My sister in law who lives near the concordia campus just got the knock on the door they are ordered to evacuate this morning. And there is that crack in the levee in the south.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
I feel so sorry for those people.

I don't. This happens to them on a very regular and FREQUENT cycle. The insurance industry picks up the tab for these towns constantly. It has been suggested before that these towns be proscribed from further insurance purchases forcing abandonment.

...and that sank into the swamp.
 
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
I feel so sorry for those people.

I don't. This happens to them on a very regular and FREQUENT cycle. The insurance industry picks up the tab for these towns constantly. It has been suggested before that these towns be proscribed from further insurance purchases forcing abandonment.

...and that sank into the swamp.

It surely sucks - I wish we had built a more elaborate dike system like Grand Forks did after 1997. Those who build in such low areas (Oxbow/Golf areas of town) without a real dike in place for such occasions is so dumb. Yeah, the land doesn't look as pretty anymore, but not having to rebuild your home is pretty sweet.

As far as a city relocation, how about talking to New Orleans and all coastal cities since hurricanes occur there. 😉

I'm off to sandbag.
 
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
I feel so sorry for those people.

I don't. This happens to them on a very regular and FREQUENT cycle. The insurance industry picks up the tab for these towns constantly. It has been suggested before that these towns be proscribed from further insurance purchases forcing abandonment.

...and that sank into the swamp.

And I suppose everyone who lives in Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas deserve it when they get hit with a hurricane?

And people living in California deserve it when they get hit with an earthquake?
 
And I suppose everyone who lives in Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas deserve it when they get hit with a hurricane?

And people living in California deserve it when they get hit with an earthquake?[/quote]

Yup, pretty much. If it's a location with a regular occurrence of damage of the type - well that's a red flag not to live there no matter how nice it is. In this particular case, it sounds like things are in place that keep this a less often occurrence. But if you can expect it will happen nearly every year where you are, well you're just dumb and I don't really want my insurance premiums paying for your grand view to be demolished year after year.
 
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