Red Light Camera Systems

[spacejamz]

I really don't see the arguement from the privacy advocates against them...maybe someone can explain...

If you ran a red light and then had your picture taken because of it, what is there to complain about?

The issue they had recently in Dallas with them was that the maker of the camera system received a percentage of the revenue from the tickets caused. Apparently, there was a conflict of interest there so the areas that were using them had to stop. I think the bill will be debated again soon...

BTW...it fvckin pisses me off to see 3 or 4 drivers to go through the light after it turns red...those @sshats need to be shot...

 

[Injury]

They're bad because people hate not being able to get away with it.

 

[thechinesehero]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I really don't see the arguement from the privacy advocates against them...maybe someone can explain...

If you ran a red light and then had your picture taken because of it, what is there to complain about?

The issue they had recently in Dallas with them was that the maker of the camera system received a percentage of the revenue from the tickets caused. Apparently, there was a conflict of interest there so the areas that were using them had to stop. I think the bill will be debated again soon...

BTW...it fvckin pisses me off to see 3 or 4 drivers to go through the light after it turns red...those @sshats need to be shot...

maybe they were already in high speed and couldnt stop... im a pretty new driver... so sometimes while its been green for a while i debate whether to push it hard to get thru or start breaking soon because i know it will turn yellow.

 

[desk]

as long as they don't ticket me for turning on red when the sign says not to, im cool with it.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: thechinesehero
maybe they were already in high speed and couldnt stop... im a pretty new driver... so sometimes while its been green for a while i debate whether to push it hard to get thru or start breaking soon because i know it will turn yellow.

So you are saying they should issue speeding tickets instead of failure to stop?

You may have not noticed that the yellow lights at intersections where a person is likely to be going faster (higher speed limits) are longer than those where the speed limit is low. Therefore, if someone can't stop for a yellow light, even including hesitation, then it's likely they are speeding. I do understand there are those rare situations, but a car in good repair should have no problem stopping when going at or below the speed limit.

 

[thechinesehero]

hmm well when the road is empty.. and the limit is 25... im tending to go around 35... then i debate whether to stomp on it or not =D

 

[Linflas]

Article [VI.]
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

 

[cjgallen]

I dunno, they talked about it on Top Gear. The conclusion was "they suck."

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: Injury
They're bad because people hate not being able to get away with it.

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[Actaeon]

My biggest problem is what if I let a family member drive my car? More specifically, my brother. While we don't look exactly alike, a camera from 20 feet away wouldn't tell the difference. Then 2 weeks later I get a letter in the mail saying I have a ticket for something I didn't do. What kind of defense do I have? I have a $100 ticket + points on my licenses for something that wasn't done by me.

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
My biggest problem is what if I let a family member drive my car? More specifically, my brother. While we don't look exactly alike, a camera from 20 feet away wouldn't tell the difference. Then 2 weeks later I get a letter in the mail saying I have a ticket for something I didn't do. What kind of defense do I have? I have a $100 ticket + points on my licenses for something that wasn't done by me.

you make your brother pay the ticket and then another 100+ to you for the point.
if he doesnt pay up, take it out of his ass, or try to.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
My biggest problem is what if I let a family member drive my car? More specifically, my brother. While we don't look exactly alike, a camera from 20 feet away wouldn't tell the difference. Then 2 weeks later I get a letter in the mail saying I have a ticket for something I didn't do. What kind of defense do I have? I have a $100 ticket + points on my licenses for something that wasn't done by me.

See Linflas' post above. That whole "right to trial" bit in the Constitution? It's optional.

- M4H

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: thechinesehero

maybe they were already in high speed and couldnt stop... im a pretty new driver... so sometimes while its been green for a while i debate whether to push it hard to get thru or start breaking soon because i know it will turn yellow.

You're driving way too fast. I've never seen a light where even if you're going 10 mph over you can't stop comfortably (i.e. not having to slam on the brakes) if you start braking as soon as the light turns yellow. If you can't stop comfortably before it turns red, it's because you could have easily made it through, or because you thought you could make it through and changed your mind.

And yeah, they're bad because you can't get away with it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
My biggest problem is what if I let a family member drive my car? More specifically, my brother. While we don't look exactly alike, a camera from 20 feet away wouldn't tell the difference. Then 2 weeks later I get a letter in the mail saying I have a ticket for something I didn't do. What kind of defense do I have? I have a $100 ticket + points on my licenses for something that wasn't done by me.

I believe you have the option of telling them who was driving your car if it was not you, and then they'll give that person the ticket.

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
See Linflas' post above. That whole "right to trial" bit in the Constitution? It's optional.

How does a red light ticket differ from any other ticket in that respect?

 

[mugs]

A lot of people bitch and moan about how speeding tickets and red light cameras are just another source of revenues for the town. While I don't agree with that (admittedly there ARE some towns that are like that), I honestly wouldn't mind if it were the case. Here's why - the lottery is a tax on people who are bad a math; traffic fines are a tax on people who can't follow simple rules. It's an optional tax. Follow the rules and you don't have to pay it. If you don't want to follow the rules, you can pay the tax. The more money they get from people who can't follow the rules, the less I have to pay in taxes.

Flame on.

 

[Amused]

Cameras are a dangerous slippery slope. I don't like the idea of having unblinking government eyes watching me where ever I go and my every move. It's bad enough that I have privately owned cameras watching me in most stores.

If 1984 doesn't explain why government cameras are bad, you'll never understand, I guess.

 

[thechinesehero]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: thechinesehero

maybe they were already in high speed and couldnt stop... im a pretty new driver... so sometimes while its been green for a while i debate whether to push it hard to get thru or start breaking soon because i know it will turn yellow.

You're driving way too fast. I've never seen a light where even if you're going 10 mph over you can't stop comfortably (i.e. not having to slam on the brakes) if you start braking as soon as the light turns yellow. If you can't stop comfortably before it turns red, it's because you could have easily made it through, or because you thought you could make it through and changed your mind.

And yeah, they're bad because you can't get away with it.

i dont run red lights i speed up so i can make the green lights..

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
My biggest problem is what if I let a family member drive my car? More specifically, my brother. While we don't look exactly alike, a camera from 20 feet away wouldn't tell the difference. Then 2 weeks later I get a letter in the mail saying I have a ticket for something I didn't do. What kind of defense do I have? I have a $100 ticket + points on my licenses for something that wasn't done by me.

something like this happened with me and EZ pass. i borrowed my fathers car to take an out of state trip while my car was being worked on. he forgot to mention that his EZ pass, for some reason, doesnt work out of NJ. (and sometimes, apparently, in NJ. unit is messed up) so when i went through the toll on the Del Mem Bridge, he got ticketed for 30 bucks.
now, neither of us paid because the car was on record as being an EZ pass car, blah blah blah but it was a pain in the ass.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: thechinesehero
im a pretty new driver...

Originally posted by: thechinesehero
i dont run red lights i speed up so i can make the green lights..

Originally posted by: mugs
You're driving way too fast.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: mugs
A lot of people bitch and moan about how speeding tickets and red light cameras are just another source of revenues for the town. While I don't agree with that (admittedly there ARE some towns that are like that), I honestly wouldn't mind if it were the case. Here's why - the lottery is a tax on people who are bad a math; traffic fines are a tax on people who can't follow simple rules. It's an optional tax. Follow the rules and you don't have to pay it. If you don't want to follow the rules, you can pay the tax. The more money they get from people who can't follow the rules, the less I have to pay in taxes.

Flame on.

All you have to do is look at how the District of Columbia is abusing the whole camera ticketing thing to raise revenue to see just how corrupt the whole thing can become.

 

[BigB10293]

Originally posted by: mugs

I believe you have the option of telling them who was driving your car if it was not you, and then they'll give that person the ticket.

Yeah! Screw that whole 5th amendment thing.

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: Actaeon
My biggest problem is what if I let a family member drive my car? More specifically, my brother. While we don't look exactly alike, a camera from 20 feet away wouldn't tell the difference. Then 2 weeks later I get a letter in the mail saying I have a ticket for something I didn't do. What kind of defense do I have? I have a $100 ticket + points on my licenses for something that wasn't done by me.

you make your brother pay the ticket and then another 100+ to you for the point.
if he doesnt pay up, take it out of his ass, or try to.

Well the thing is, what if he doesn't recall doing it either? Not to say he'd try to decieve me, but what if he accidently ran it, and didn't even think twice about it. 2 weeks later when the ticket arrives, he doesn't remember doing it, and I know I didn't. Who can I blame? But since the ticket is issued to me, I'm getting screwed. This just doesn't apply to my brother either, it could apply to several of my family members/friends.

From 20 feet away, driving in a car, you wouldn't be able to tell who was driving.

As far as the court thing, what kind of evidence do you have to support your defense? Espically if your family members look alike.

Meh, thats my problem with it. Too many variables and what ifs. It would be difficult to place the blame on the right person. Granted most people drive their personal vehicles 99% of the time, I can imagine plenty of innocent people getting these tickets in the mail.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BigB10293

Originally posted by: mugs

I believe you have the option of telling them who was driving your car if it was not you, and then they'll give that person the ticket.

Yeah! Screw that whole 5th amendment thing.

Have you ever even read the 5th amendment?

 

[stonecold3169]

btw, to give info to someone here previously, I believe that none of the camera ticket devices (the speed trap cones/signs, and the redlight cameras) can issue points on your license, only fines.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: stonecold3169
btw, to give info to someone here previously, I believe that none of the camera ticket devices (the speed trap cones/signs, and the redlight cameras) can issue points on your license, only fines.

In California it's 1 point I believe, not sure about other states.