Red China the new world order!

[CanOWorms]

submarine launched icbm's + continental usa land based minuteman III silo complex icbm's + long range bomber / now redeployed in stand-off airborne launched cruise missle platforms --- note item 1 & item 2 fully mirv'd & deployed w/3-5 warheads, now with lower yield but more precise barometric detonators to ensure precise altitude detonation (max fireball / max damage / minimum fallout) and cruise missles carry low yield micro nuke having either airburst or ground/bunker penetration capability

russia aging land silos + sub launched icbms - aging but functional

chinese small no. land based "icbm's" not the short range missles aimed at taiwan and 2 confirmed perhaps 6 total subs capable of icbm launch and probably 1-2 devices in earth orbit for last response strike before "the lights go out"...

great britain & france

democratic republic of north korea

india

pakastan

iran

and isreal - with quality products & will to use...

welcome to the friendly human race...

You're assuming that their level of technology is always going to be behind ours. It's not. There's this thing called time.

 

[e-drood]

i make NO assumptions

i have simply stated, reasonably accurately, the present state of things

only a fool would assume "no progress" by "others"...

 

[CanOWorms]

i make NO assumptions

i have simply stated, reasonably accurately, the present state of things

only a fool would assume "no progress" by "others"...

I'm not talking about the present state, but the future.

 

[Karl Agathon]

You're assuming that their level of technology is always going to be behind ours. It's not. There's this thing called time.

Thats very true, but that also assumes that the U.S. is just going to stand still in advances as well. No matter how much Red China advances, the U.S. will always have nuclear forces (including massive second strike capability) at its command. A little snippet from wki about the triad.


"A nuclear triad refers to a nuclear arsenal which consists of three components. The purpose of having a three-branched nuclear capability is to significantly reduce the possibility that an enemy could destroy all of a nation's nuclear forces in a first strike attack; this, in turn, ensures a credible threat of a second strike, and thus increases a nation's nuclear deterrence.[1][2][3]"

 

[CanOWorms]

Thats very true, but that also assumes that the U.S. is just going to stand still in advances as well. No matter how much Red China advances, the U.S. will always have nuclear forces (including massive second strike capability) at its command. A little snippet from wki about the triad.


"A nuclear triad refers to a nuclear arsenal which consists of three components. The purpose of having a three-branched nuclear capability is to significantly reduce the possibility that an enemy could destroy all of a nation's nuclear forces in a first strike attack; this, in turn, ensures a credible threat of a second strike, and thus increases a nation's nuclear deterrence.[1][2][3]"

Yes, but there will be a point when the Chinese economy will eclipse the US. There will come a point where they may be more technologically advanced and be capable of neutralizing whatever we have. I hope that we realize that.

 

[K1052]

Props to the Russians again for selling off useless gear to clueless people. It's like the world's largest used car dealership.

 

[Svnla]

Yes, but there will be a point when the Chinese economy will eclipse the US. There will come a point where they may be more technologically advanced and be capable of neutralizing whatever we have. I hope that we realize that.

Well, first of all, China will have to overcome these problems before it can become powerhouse:

1. Corruption.
2. Internal conflicts from Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, etc. (China spent more for internal security than its own defense).
3. Growing number of olders folks and lesser number of younger folks to support them.
4. Environmental pollution problems.

Oh, did I mention about lack of clean water? See this = http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/10/chinas-growing-water-crisis/

 

[irishScott]

Good for them. They have one carrier. In trials. We have 11. In service. And 1 in reserve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_by_country

We could decommission half the carrier fleet and China would still be no real naval threat.

 

[iGas]

US and China face off over aircraft carriers

Vietnamese officials visit US aircraft carrier

FILE - In this July 3, 2011 file photo released by U.S. Navy, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) departs the Pacific Ocean and enters the South China Sea during her summer patrol. Less than a week after China launched its first aircraft carrier, the U.S. has showed off its own big-boy supercarrier to former enemy Vietnam Saturday, Aug. 13, 2011.

It look like the US Navy is not taking the Chinese threat lightly.

 

[OCGuy]

Yes, but there will be a point when the Chinese economy will eclipse the US. There will come a point where they may be more technologically advanced and be capable of neutralizing whatever we have. I hope that we realize that.

Huh? So bigger economy = they can overcome our Tridents, ICBMs, and bombers?

Our economy is larger than the next two combined, and we can still be destroyed by the Russians, and the Chinese have inaccurate but large nuke warheads.


You are reaching so much that I won't even put time into a long response that points out your other logical flaws.

Thier economy is based off of the US buying cheap shit at Walmart, and currency manipulation.

 

[RbSX]

Good for them. They have one carrier. In trials. We have 11. In service. And 1 in reserve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_by_country

We could decommission half the carrier fleet and China would still be no real naval threat.

They could call all your land as collateral and your country would cease to exist.

This is no longer a game of military dominance, but of economic conquest, and you guys lost it before you realized you were in it unfortunately.

 

[OCGuy]

They could call all your land as collateral and your country would cease to exist.

Huh? Another person who doesn't understand how life works. I learned this saying much younger:

"If you owe the bank $1000 and can't pay it, you are screwed. If you owe the bank $1,000,000 and can't pay it, the bank is screwed."

 

[RbSX]

Huh? Another person who doesn't understand how life works. I learned this saying much younger:

"If you owe the bank $1000 and can't pay it, you are screwed. If you owe the bank $1,000,000 and can't pay it, the bank is screwed."

Sure but that would assure mutually assured destruction, and America is almost stupid enough to default on its debts.

I'd pay good money to watch the stupidity involved with that.

 

[Newbian]

They could call all your land as collateral and your country would cease to exist.

This is no longer a game of military dominance, but of economic conquest, and you guys lost it before you realized you were in it unfortunately.

They can say whatever they want... the problem is they have no power to take the land and no one would give them it.

 

[Doppel]

They could call all your land as collateral and your country would cease to exist.

This is no longer a game of military dominance, but of economic conquest, and you guys lost it before you realized you were in it unfortunately.

Rubbish, US land is not even tacit collateral for its debt.

BTW, China has something like ONE MONTH worth of US productivity in US debt. That's it.

 

[e-drood]

let's see, the kitty hawk was at anchor off kwai chung container port in may & the ronald reagan is wrapping up r&r, same anchorage, right now

(2) carrier group visits in about (3) months & the sov era reconditioned (read the intercom now works between bow & stern) air craft carrier being reworked by pla naval command is attempting to threaten taiwan on the pacific side...

yes the future is now, but reality also prevails --- poor joe biden --- wonder what they really talked about...

and the no.2 vice premier li is now in hong kong demonstrating excellent pr ability & public image... next no.1 of prc... leadership is becoming increasing aware of value of positive public image...

 

[Darwin333]

You don't have to assume, China has a proven history of invasion, colonization, and annexation of smaller neighbors, just ask Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang (just from the time of creation of Red China in 1949, I don't even bother to include the time period before then). Look at all the uprising going on in those areas, even inside China, from the Han Chinese themselves from the oppression of their own leaders.

Fact: China tried and tried to swallow Vietnam since the beginning of time, way back before the birth of Chris, then the Han dynasty, then Song, then Ming, then Quing, just to name a few.

US did kill a bunch of Vietnamese but it was war, just as we did kill a bunch of Germans, Italians, and Japanese (plus the two nuclear bombs) in WWII.

Did you see the US declare the Gulf of Mexico or Atlantic/Pacific oceans as its own lake? Did you see the US capture/beat up poor Mexican fishermen and then demand ransom money from them? Did you see the US invade Iraq and Afghan and then declare those two countries as its own based on some made up "historic" evidences like China did?

Do you want me to go on? US is not perfect by any means, which country is? But to compare US vs. China is not even remotely close.

Umm, we sorta took all of the original inhabitants land and as a thank you we pretty much wiped out their entire race. How many Native Americans have you seen lately?

We sorta jacked Mexico too...

I ain't saying we should give it back, they lost so fuck em, but our history ain't exactly the most humane and "fair".

 

[Darwin333]

They could call all your land as collateral and your country would cease to exist.

This is no longer a game of military dominance, but of economic conquest, and you guys lost it before you realized you were in it unfortunately.

The funny thing is that all of our debt that they hold (at least US .gov debt) isn't backed by any collateral. We could say "we ain't paying you guys cuz we blew it all on hookers and blow so umm get bent" and all they could and would do is write a few sternly worded speeches. WTF are they gonna do, Come take it?

 

[Siddhartha]

Lets investigate the worst case scenario in regards of possible yellow peril China actions towards the US:

1. Stop selling the US raw materials and goods
Consequences, immediately, first 3 months or so, US experiences shortages and inflation. In the long term the US starts onshore production of important raw matials and source materials and goods from the rest of the world.

2. China tries to impose their sphere of dominance using their "air craft carrier". As someone pointed out there will probably be three air carrier task forces in the region in the near future.

3. China attacks Taiwan.
War with the US?
US embargo of China?

I can see China trying option number 2 without shooting themselves in the head. But options 1 and 3 sound crazy to me.

Can anyone else suggest any other worst case scenarios?

 

[BeauJangles]

US and China face off over aircraft carriers

Vietnamese officials visit US aircraft carrier



It look like the US Navy is not taking the Chinese threat lightly.

It's posturing.

Like I said above, the aircraft carrier is a Russian-made ski-jump style carrier. It is of no threat to modern steam catapult carriers.

 

[Nebor]

It's posturing.

Like I said above, the aircraft carrier is a Russian-made ski-jump style carrier. It is of no threat to modern steam catapult carriers.

Exactly. The Chinese are testing an experimental aircraft carrier from the 1960s. Big whoop.

Meanwhile we're testing a glider bomber that can strike anywhere in the world in under an hour and can't be stopped by any air defense system in existence.

 

[Karl Agathon]

US and China face off over aircraft carriers

Vietnamese officials visit US aircraft carrier



It look like the US Navy is not taking the Chinese threat lightly.

Good! The Red Dragon must not be able to bully her neighbors.

 

[BeauJangles]

US and China face off over aircraft carriers

Vietnamese officials visit US aircraft carrier



It look like the US Navy is not taking the Chinese threat lightly.

I'd also like to add that by all indications, China is attempting to deploy their own, home-grown carrier force beginning in the late 2020s, however that force is going to probably be a maximum of four carriers. Certainly formidable, but nothing compared to the 11 supercarriers the United States possess and the ~13 amphibious assault ships we currently field. Their goals are clearly not to challenge the US in global supremacy, but to assert their dominance of the region.

 

[Svnla]

Umm, we sorta took all of the original inhabitants land and as a thank you we pretty much wiped out their entire race. How many Native Americans have you seen lately?

We sorta jacked Mexico too...

I ain't saying we should give it back, they lost so fuck em, but our history ain't exactly the most humane and "fair".

I never said the US is all that, from my previous post...

US is not perfect by any means

, no country on Earth is. Not one IMO.

Did you see any uprising from Native Americans lately? Did you see the US mow down its own citizens?

Mexico is about to take their land back with the ILLEGAL immigration going on right now.

Since the creation of Red China in 1949, it swallowed several sovereign countries (Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang) or tried to (Vietnam). How many countries the US tried to swallow? Did you see the US invade Iraq and Afghan and then claim "oh, those two countries belong to us, we have faked, oopps, historic evidences, it is ours now".

Did you see the US capture, beat up, and then demand ransom money from poor and unarmed Mexican fishermen in international water like China did with its smaller neighbors? Did you see the US (the strongest military force on Earth) declare the whole oceans as its own sovereign territories like China is doing? Did you see the US bully its neighbors like China?

 

[LegendKiller]

let's see, the kitty hawk was at anchor off kwai chung container port in may & the ronald reagan is wrapping up r&r, same anchorage, right now

(2) carrier group visits in about (3) months & the sov era reconditioned (read the intercom now works between bow & stern) air craft carrier being reworked by pla naval command is attempting to threaten taiwan on the pacific side...

yes the future is now, but reality also prevails --- poor joe biden --- wonder what they really talked about...

and the no.2 vice premier li is now in hong kong demonstrating excellent pr ability & public image... next no.1 of prc... leadership is becoming increasing aware of value of positive public image...

Not worried about China, they have tons of issues. A single carrier is no threat to Taiwan.

And the Kitty Hawk was decommed in 2009, it couldn't have been anywhere in May but San Diego.