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[iGas]

China's first aircraft carrier 'starts sea trials'

The 300m (990ft) carrier has been one of China's worst-kept secrets, analysts say
The Chinese navy's first aircraft carrier has begun its sea trials, the state-run Xinhua news agency has said.

What next on Red China radar after the East China Sea and S. China Sea?

Warning Graphic: An interesting Chinese propaganda video that shown how they fought the Vietnamese in 1988 over the Spratly dispute. However, they forgot to mentioned that transport ship that they destroyed were un armed, and so as the 60+ un armed men that were mowed down in cold blood.

When are we going to put heavy tariffs on cheap Chinese craps, before it is too late?

[Add] China warned American oil companies to dare not involve with the SE Asian countries that are disputing the Spratly Island (China claim that all of the South China Sea is belong to them and it is their economic zone. Over 1 million km2 of water that 1/3 of the world shipping use as a shipping lane).

[URL="http://china.usc.edu/ShowArticle.aspx?articleID=2145&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1]The South China Sea: Troubled Waters[/URL]

 

[gevorg]

China is a bubble fed by US bubble. Bad US economy = Worse China economy. US economy is run by innovation, China's economy is run by slavery.

America, fuck yeah!!!

 

[Craig234]

Assume China will be a brutal power that invades and kills for its own gains terribly.

Then look at how much responsibility we've taken for killing millions of Vietnamese; for installing dictatorships, terrorist armies, death squads in other countries.

No wonder if they don't think we should lecture to them. That's not an overall fair summary - we've done a lot of good too - but that doesn't take away the bad.

The American people may largely be ignorant of it - both because they want to be and because our media serves that by accommodating them - but others aren't so much.

To us, this is a travesty for them to do it; to many others, it's hypocrisy to complain.

We've been very comfortable as 'the world's only global power', and less than concerned about abuses of that power.

There's a whole political faction for apologizing for abuses, with slogans like 'Blame America First!' to attack anyone who tries to be more moral and responsible.

No nation is immune to that sort of abuse of power given the chance, but many Americans don't understand we also haven't.

What we should be doing is the last thing that faction wants to, strengthening international law to protect against anyone, including us, from abusing power.

The only solution that faction has is for the US to be permanently the one dominant power in the world - sort of like every other nation would like to, causing many problems.

 

[Infohawk]

I'd be very curious to see how fast China could develop technologically if it couldn't trade with industrialized countries. Nixon made a huge mistake opening trade with China. There is no conceivable scenario in which a powerful China makes things better for the US. Even if they are peaceful they will drive up the cost of commodities at the expense of Americans.

 

[CanOWorms]

It's to be expected. Better hope to be on their good side.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Meh... we just launched a drone that can fly to anywhere in the world in an hour. Strap a mini-nuke on that monster and *poof* no more chinese carrier. Hell, moving at that speed, going in kamakaze style... no explosives needed.

We own the high ground for now. Our Navy works great in a support role for the POS third world countries we keep rolling into but the concept of a surface Navy seems obsolete right now. (Subs are not surface ships) Hard to imagine any WWII style naval battles ever happening again.

So... welcome to the party China. Congrats on blowing billions on a giant cruise ship. At least as it relates to the US anyway. They can still have some fun all over the western Pacific if they want... So long as we let them.

 

[JSt0rm]

yeah aircraft carriers are going to be extinct soon. We will still build them of course because of defense jobs but we wont need them.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

yeah aircraft carriers are going to be extinct soon. We will still build them of course because of defense jobs but we wont need them.

Yup. Eventually our drone tech will make surface Navy support obsolete.

Drones and Subs... Drones and Subs...

And Coast Guard for intercepting drug boats.

 

[Engineer]

Hmm....conversion of a 1980's Russian warship to an aircraft carrier? :hmm:

 

[rchiu]

Heh yeah carriers are useless these days. With the advances in guided missile technology, a carrier can be destroyed from hundreds if not thousands miles away.

Chinese bought this carrier used and will most likely use it for target practice...haha (not really but simulation against countries with carriers most likely) They are more focused on submarine fleet and have show off'ed by surfacing within close range of US fleet. Chinese submarines are what the US should be worrying about.

 

[e-drood]

the chinese (prc) economy remains a centrally directed "command economy" having an overlay of a "market driven" EXPORT manufacturing sector

due to us debt roll-over hiccup, for first time in 62yr history of Peoples Republic of China, the multi-year national economic development plan is being revised early to shift focus from the faltering global exports sector back to domestic demand

this will be accomplished by excluding (applying punitive import duties & taxes) all imported products to force domestic production... not good for us exports

and responding to the present vocal nationalistic outcry sweeping across china, the leadership in beijing will simply ignore chinese responsibilites under wto agreements with various other countries - emergency measures apply

thank you "young guns" of the republican party for using the pac funds to effectively ruin the economy of the united states - remember that the chinese economy has internal growth potential due to 1/2 the population (700 million) havidng damn'd little & wanting many things - by comparison the us economy has NO internal growth potential & is now faced with (even with cheaper dollar) greatly reduced export markets - all thanks largely to a republican party lacking economic understanding AND actively working to reduce and deconstruct the united states of america...

usa DOES NOT exist in a vacuum, rather in context of greater global community and must act in a more responsible manner.

there are virtually NO exclusive products today, if beijing is feeling particularly hurt & insulted, it is simple matter to only purchase airbus products, excluding boeing from what is projected to be single largest commercial aircraft market during upcoming 12 years --- all because some j*ck*ss from south carolina decided he would teach spendthrift washington a lesson - and it does reduce to something as simple as this...

the "young guns" have come periously close to doing mortal damage to "future" of usa, isn't this precisely the goal of "others"?

exactly what will you do with "nukes" when response to us threat will come from both china and russia? careful consideration is required.

 

[Karl Agathon]

It's to be expected. Better hope to be on their good side.

Why?? Because they can destroy the U.S.? Chinese civilization would come to end should that ever come close to happening. They know that....

 

[Macamus Prime]

Red China; brought to you by the American Corporationalist.

Actually, wait - it's the American worker's doing. Sorry. I keep forgetting. The American Corporationalist wanted to make a $45 profit off of something that costs them $5 to make. Where as with an American worker, the Corporationalist could only make a $25 profit. If it wasn't for those greedy American workers, China wouldn't be in the position it is in today!!! Look how the American worker ABUSED the poor American Corporationalist!! Come on! How do you expect a multi-millionare/billionare to live off JUST a $25 profit?!?!?

 

[Svnla]

Assume China will be a brutal power that invades and kills for its own gains terribly.

Then look at how much responsibility we've taken for killing millions of Vietnamese; ......<snip>

You don't have to assume, China has a proven history of invasion, colonization, and annexation of smaller neighbors, just ask Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang (just from the time of creation of Red China in 1949, I don't even bother to include the time period before then). Look at all the uprising going on in those areas, even inside China, from the Han Chinese themselves from the oppression of their own leaders.

Fact: China tried and tried to swallow Vietnam since the beginning of time, way back before the birth of Chris, then the Han dynasty, then Song, then Ming, then Quing, just to name a few.

US did kill a bunch of Vietnamese but it was war, just as we did kill a bunch of Germans, Italians, and Japanese (plus the two nuclear bombs) in WWII.

Did you see the US declare the Gulf of Mexico or Atlantic/Pacific oceans as its own lake? Did you see the US capture/beat up poor Mexican fishermen and then demand ransom money from them? Did you see the US invade Iraq and Afghan and then declare those two countries as its own based on some made up "historic" evidences like China did?

Do you want me to go on? US is not perfect by any means, which country is? But to compare US vs. China is not even remotely close.

 

[Genx87]

Hmm....conversion of a 1980's Russian warship to an aircraft carrier? :hmm:

In true chinese style they couldnt design and build one themselves. But use another design.

 

[ElFenix]

China's first aircraft carrier 'starts sea trials'

if the invincible counts as an aircraft carrier then we have 20 of them, not 11.

 

[BeauJangles]

The carrier they deployed is a Russian-built POS they modified. It doesn't have steam catapults and it's not designed to see any action beyond training pilots on takeoffs and landings. Even after sea trials it has a few more years worth of work to be done on it AND they aren't going to start construction on a real carrier for a while.

 

[CanOWorms]

Why?? Because they can destroy the U.S.? Chinese civilization would come to end should that ever come close to happening. They know that....

Perhaps they can in the future. They will have the largest economy. They highly value science and technology, moreso than the US. They easily surpass most US allies already.

There may be a time when they are the sole superpower.

 

[JS80]

Hey China, welcome to the early 20th century.

refitted former Soviet warship

Oh wait, nevermind.

lolchina

 

[RabidMongoose]

It's to be expected. Better hope to be on their good side.

The US should begin distancing itself from its European allies and begin to ally itself with the emerging countries that are soon to be ready to act on the global stage. Ally with China, India, Brazil, etc. and then divide up a place like Europe, Africa, etc. between them if desired.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Perhaps they can in the future. They will have the largest economy. They highly value science and technology, moreso than the US. They easily surpass most US allies already.

There may be a time when they are the sole superpower.

The nuclear triad among other things will always say otherwise.

 

[DesiPower]

*Snip*

When are we going to put heavy tariffs on cheap Chinese craps, before it is too late?

*Snip*

It already is, that's why we cant do shit when they openly hack into our servers which store super confidential information, or when they openly threaten our businesses

 

[iGas]

Assume China will be a brutal power that invades and kills for its own gains terribly.

Then look at how much responsibility we've taken for killing millions of Vietnamese; for installing dictatorships, terrorist armies, death squads in other countries.

No wonder if they don't think we should lecture to them. That's not an overall fair summary - we've done a lot of good too - but that doesn't take away the bad.

The American people may largely be ignorant of it - both because they want to be and because our media serves that by accommodating them - but others aren't so much.

To us, this is a travesty for them to do it; to many others, it's hypocrisy to complain.

We've been very comfortable as 'the world's only global power', and less than concerned about abuses of that power.

There's a whole political faction for apologizing for abuses, with slogans like 'Blame America First!' to attack anyone who tries to be more moral and responsible.

No nation is immune to that sort of abuse of power given the chance, but many Americans don't understand we also haven't.

What we should be doing is the last thing that faction wants to, strengthening international law to protect against anyone, including us, from abusing power.

The only solution that faction has is for the US to be permanently the one dominant power in the world - sort of like every other nation would like to, causing many problems.

You do have a point, but you must look at what the Chinese are doing their own people during the culture revolution, Uyghurs, and the annexed Tibet. You also must look at their allies policies/indoctrine that are influent/created by the China, such as the murderous Khmer rouge, despot North Korea & Pakistan, and the junta Myanmar (Burma).

Beside the atrocities, China also cheats, lies, and steals from the people that they trade with.

 

[CanOWorms]

The nuclear triad among other things will always say otherwise.

I'm not sure what the "nuclear triad" is.

 

[e-drood]

I'm not sure what the "nuclear triad" is.

submarine launched icbm's + continental usa land based minuteman III silo complex icbm's + long range bomber / now redeployed in stand-off airborne launched cruise missle platforms --- note item 1 & item 2 fully mirv'd & deployed w/3-5 warheads, now with lower yield but more precise barometric detonators to ensure precise altitude detonation (max fireball / max damage / minimum fallout) and cruise missles carry low yield micro nuke having either airburst or ground/bunker penetration capability

russia aging land silos + sub launched icbms - aging but functional

chinese small no. land based "icbm's" not the short range missles aimed at taiwan and 2 confirmed perhaps 6 total subs capable of icbm launch and probably 1-2 devices in earth orbit for last response strike before "the lights go out"...

great britain & france

democratic republic of north korea

india

pakistan

iran

and isreal - with quality products & will to use...

welcome to the friendly human race...