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Reconstruction projects hit milestone in Iraq

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: BBond

It's Bill. And I'm not trying to go back in time to change things. I'm trying to get America to hold people resoponsible for their actions. And the Bush administration hasn't been held accountable for any of the lies they told before invading Iraq or their failure to plan for the aftermath of their unnecessary invasion.

This is the accountability administration, isn't it? They hold people accountable for their actions but deny accountability for their own.

I think it's high time you took action yourself, instead of repeatedly posting your feelings that Bush is a criminal, you need to take care of the problem (Bush) yourself.

He's obviously a criminal, he obviously hacked the vote, it's your moral responsibility to do the right thing.

I mean if you could go back & kill Hitler would you do it?

It's for the greater good.


:thumbsup:

Go BBond go... just do it... You know you want to...

I would certainly never suggest anyone take any such action and I strongly suggest you refrain from making such suggestions. If you cannot entertain opposing opinions without resorting to suggestions of violence you should find some other way to spend your time than spending it here.


Well guess what?

Bush will NEVER be held accountable for your allegations

Get over it.

You so sure about that? History has a way of playing itself out eventually. Bush is no exception. His admin will go down in history as the most corrupt, secretive, and criminal ever. Just might take a few years and a few figure heads to die off first. Like your crystal ball though. Mine is better. Has a big 8 on the outside.

 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Strk
Did you support Kosovo and Bosnia?

Yes, I supported us taking action there. What does that have to do with the reconstruction of Iraq?

CsG

Many people who preach about Iraq still attack Clinton for stopping an occurring genocide.

Sure they do - they are the fringe just like the fringe who get thier panties knotted up about Bush going into Iraq. Now what does this have to do with the reconstruction?

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Sure they do - they are the fringe just like the fringe who get thier panties knotted up about Bush going into Iraq. Now what does this have to do with the reconstruction?

CsG

Uh, the US wouldn't be responsible for the reconstruction if Bush hadn't lied us into blowing Iraq up to begin with?

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Sure they do - they are the fringe just like the fringe who get thier panties knotted up about Bush going into Iraq. Now what does this have to do with the reconstruction?

CsG

Uh, the US wouldn't be responsible for the reconstruction if Bush hadn't lied us into blowing Iraq up to begin with?

:roll: For some reason I'm not surprised you'd take that out of the context it was posted in.

Now back the the Reconstruction efforts in Iraq that are going forward every day🙂

CsG
 
Originally posted by: BBond
The context of the reconstruction in Iraq?

Bush attacked Iraq...

?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Strk
Did you support Kosovo and Bosnia?

Yes, I supported us taking action there. What does that have to do with the reconstruction of Iraq?

CsG

Got a clue yet? ....didn't think so.

*****

Now again, back to the daily progress in the Reconstruction efforts.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
The context of the reconstruction in Iraq?

Bush attacked Iraq...

?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Strk
Did you support Kosovo and Bosnia?

Yes, I supported us taking action there. What does that have to do with the reconstruction of Iraq?

CsG

Got a clue yet? ....didn't think so.

*****

Now again, back to the daily progress in the Reconstruction efforts.

CsG

I found a clue.

I posted a link in a reply to your daily happy talk jaunt to a Washington Post article that quotes the nonpartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies saying only 27% of reconstruction funds are used for reconstruction in Iraq. Senior administration officials and congressional experts called it credible.

"The State Department will acknowledge the problem in a quarterly report to Congress today and say that the United States is trying to accelerate aid and redirect how it is spent, U.S. officials said yesterday."

Also, if you take the time to read some news you'll see that even the American media can't ignore the continued, after over 20 months of occupation, violence and carnage in Iraq. This after the "successful" operation in Fallujah, which will cost America taxpayers a few billion more to rebuild.

Then in reply to a post you posted this:

quote:
Originally posted by: Strk

quote:
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

quote:
Originally posted by: Strk
Did you support Kosovo and Bosnia?



Yes, I supported us taking action there. What does that have to do with the reconstruction of Iraq?

CsG



Many people who preach about Iraq still attack Clinton for stopping an occurring genocide.



Sure they do - they are the fringe just like the fringe who get thier panties knotted up about Bush going into Iraq. Now what does this have to do with the reconstruction?

CsG

Clearly asking what Bush going into Iraq had to do with the reconstruction. So I replied:

Uh, the US wouldn't be responsible for the reconstruction if Bush hadn't lied us into blowing Iraq up to begin with?

Then you replied, with near disarming irrationality:

For some reason I'm not surprised you'd take that out of the context it was posted in.

But it was quite clearly in the context it was posted in.

I'm not surprised at your irrationality. You ignore reality. You refuse to admit there is an elephant in the room. You try to ignore the elephant. One day the elephant is going to sit on you. You will not be able to ingore that reality.



 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
The context of the reconstruction in Iraq?

Bush attacked Iraq...

?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Strk
Did you support Kosovo and Bosnia?

Yes, I supported us taking action there. What does that have to do with the reconstruction of Iraq?

CsG

Got a clue yet? ....didn't think so.

*****

Now again, back to the daily progress in the Reconstruction efforts.

CsG

I found a clue.

I posted a link in a reply to your daily happy talk jaunt to a Washington Post article that quotes the nonpartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies saying only 27% of reconstruction funds are used for reconstruction in Iraq. Senior administration officials and congressional experts called it credible.

"The State Department will acknowledge the problem in a quarterly report to Congress today and say that the United States is trying to accelerate aid and redirect how it is spent, U.S. officials said yesterday."

Also, if you take the time to read some news you'll see that even the American media can't ignore the continued, after over 20 months of occupation, violence and carnage in Iraq. This after the "successful" operation in Fallujah, which will cost America taxpayers a few billion more to rebuild.

Then in reply to a post you posted this:

quote:
Originally posted by: Strk

quote:
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

quote:
Originally posted by: Strk
Did you support Kosovo and Bosnia?



Yes, I supported us taking action there. What does that have to do with the reconstruction of Iraq?

CsG



Many people who preach about Iraq still attack Clinton for stopping an occurring genocide.



Sure they do - they are the fringe just like the fringe who get thier panties knotted up about Bush going into Iraq. Now what does this have to do with the reconstruction?

CsG

Clearly asking what Bush going into Iraq had to do with the reconstruction. So I replied:

Uh, the US wouldn't be responsible for the reconstruction if Bush hadn't lied us into blowing Iraq up to begin with?

Then you replied, with near disarming irrationality:

For some reason I'm not surprised you'd take that out of the context it was posted in.

But it was quite clearly in the context it was posted in.

I'm not surprised at your irrationality. You ignore reality. You refuse to admit there is an elephant in the room. You try to ignore the elephant. One day the elephant is going to sit on you. You will not be able to ingore that reality.

Wrong "bill" - the context was Kosovo and Bosnia. You'd understand that if you had half a clue.
*****

Now back to the outstanding progress that is going on in the Reconstruction of Iraq.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
When are we going to fix our power grid? Our aging watering system? The thousands of crumbling bridges? How stupid can Americans be.

:roll: Ofcourse we are doing those things - are you really that naive?

CsG

Really? Did you read the report on America's infrastructure by the ASCE? Of course not. And little has been done to update the grid. Walk into a school an inner-city and tell me how great it is when the school is falling apart because its 80 years old and they have no money to fix it. Talk about tunnel vision.
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
When are we going to fix our power grid? Our aging watering system? The thousands of crumbling bridges? How stupid can Americans be.

:roll: Ofcourse we are doing those things - are you really that naive?

CsG

Really? Did you read the report on America's infrastructure by the ASCE? Of course not. And little has been done to update the grid. Walk into a school an inner-city and tell me how great it is when the school is falling apart because its 80 years old and they have no money to fix it. Talk about tunnel vision.

The ASCE report does not say that we aren't fixing our powergrid, our water systems, or bridges. Are there needs to repair? Sure - I never said there wasn't - what I said is that we are doing so. I've personally been involved in two of those three areas. I've worked on reconstruction and upgrade jobs in both Water and Power - but hey- don't let those FACTS get in the way of your rant.

Now back to the daily gains in the reconstruction of Iraq.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Engineer
Nice for them...but on borrowed US money....that we, the taxpayers of the US, will pay back.
There you go supplanting all the happy talk with those bothersome details again. :roll:

I... simply... just don't know how to respond.

*checks sarcasm meter batteries*
 
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Engineer
Nice for them...but on borrowed US money....that we, the taxpayers of the US, will pay back.
There you go supplanting all the happy talk with those bothersome details again. :roll:

I... simply... just don't know how to respond.

*checks sarcasm meter batteries*

They do have lots of money they can supply to you. So the more you destroy, the more they will have to build for your money, ofcourse using american companies, and they'll have to repay that to the government... Hey, this just became a bit more clear!
 
Iraq Reconstruction Making Gains Despite Insurgency

By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Dec. 3, 2004 ? Although headlines citing insurgent attacks tend to overshadow its efforts, U.S.-led reconstruction initiatives in Iraq continue to make progress, a senior U.S. official noted here today.

"Despite the insurgency in some areas of the country, our program is moving forward," U.S. Agency for International Development Administrator Andrew Natsios told reporters at a State Department briefing.

Ongoing water, sanitation, electrical and other projects aimed at rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure after decades of neglect by the now-defunct Saddam Hussein regime represent "the largest reconstruction effort we've undertaken since the Marshall Plan," Natsios remarked.

"There is insecurity, indisputably," he acknowledged, in some portions of the country, principally in the so-called "Sunni Triangle," which includes the hard-fought Fallujah region. However, "there is relative stability," he said, in the remaining 80 percent of the country.

Iraq reconstruction efforts, Natsios said, are keyed on four major objectives: rebuilding of essential public services; renewal and reform of the Iraqi economy to produce jobs; health and education; and helping to construct government systems to support the new Iraqi democracy.

For example, electric power is being more equally distributed across Iraq and the country's electrical grid now produces about 5,000 megawatts, Natsios reported, compared to the 4,400 megawatts produced prior to the war. And, by April or May next year, he estimates that 5,500 to 6,000 megawatts will be produced.

"Right now we have between 11 and 15 hours of electricity in almost all areas of the country that are electrified," Natsios reported. By the end of 2005, he expects that 18 to 20 hours of electricity will be available around the country per day.

In the health public sector "we have now immunized over 3.4 million children under the age of five," Natsios said. And, rehabilitation work, he said, is ongoing at nine sewage treatment plants.

Modernization work ? to include new air traffic control systems, has been performed at the Baghdad and Basra airports, Natsios reported. And, he said, the Umm Qasr port has been dredged.

Improvements have also been made in the education realm, Natsios reported, where 2,500 Iraqi schools have been repaired, 8.7 million school textbooks -? primarily in math and science -- have been provided, and 32,000 teachers have been trained.

About $3.6 billion has been spent on Iraqi infrastructure projects since last summer, Natsios said, with another $11.8 billion obligated to contractors for additional projects.

And, "thousands and thousands of Iraqis," Natsios noted, are working for contractors, non-governmental agencies and universities "to make, to build the new Iraq."

Lies, all lies I say!:roll:

CsG
 
Cad, you are really full of yourself this evening, more than the usual

To you, anyone who questions the actions of this administration is a person who thinks the USA is evil...just like anyone who questioned the war was being unpatriotic.

You have completely ignored B's link to the very credible story that 27% of the funds intended for reconstruction projects are actually going to reconstruction projects...why is that?

Why are we paying for New Zealand forces to do anything?

Who exactly is working on these 1000 reconstruction projects?

Little to no work has been done updating the power grid problems here in the United States, period. You may have fixed a power line that was down, but as far as upgrading the system itself, it isn't happening.

Does this mean we destroyed or damaged 300+ schools in Iraq? Just exactly what qualifies as a school making this list in Iraq? Replacing windows that were blown out when a car bomb exploded down the street really shouldn't qualify as a reconstruction project.

How many schools in America need MAJOR work done? I'd guess there are more than 1,000 schools right here in this country that need help as much as the schools in Iraq do.

Our government would fudge numbers on a report to make the situation over there look better? Do you really need examples of that from this administration? "Terror attacks down"....ooops, they are up.

Just because you say the war was just doesn't make it so....now we have to clean up the mess we made, pay hundreds of billions of dollars to do so....rah rah rah ....go team...
 
Originally posted by: NeoV

Just because you say the war was just doesn't make it so....now we have to clean up the mess we made, pay hundreds of billions of dollars to do so....rah rah rah ....go team...

BINGO!

We shouldn't have been there....and rebuilding wouldn't be an issue. Maybe instead of Line-Item-Veto, we need Line-Item-Pay: People who support these adventures get to pay the entire amount of them.
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
Cad, you are really full of yourself this evening, more than the usual
coming from you? I care.
To you, anyone who questions the actions of this administration is a person who thinks the USA is evil...just like anyone who questioned the war was being unpatriotic.
Never said that but tell yourself what you will.
You have completely ignored B's link to the very credible story that 27% of the funds intended for reconstruction projects are actually going to reconstruction projects...why is that?
Nope, didn't ignore a thing. Security issues have eaten up a large amount of the money. Also it says "as little as" which coming from them...well😉
"reallocate $3.46 billion from long-term infrastructure projects to more pressing security and job-creation programs"
Why are we paying for New Zealand forces to do anything?
Huh?
Who exactly is working on these 1000 reconstruction projects?
And, "thousands and thousands of Iraqis," Natsios noted, are working for contractors, non-governmental agencies and universities "to make, to build the new Iraq." - From my link before.
Oh, and then there is this - Currently, nearly 100 percent of the labor for designing, renovating and staffing these schools is Iraqi, according to Riccio, who said, "That?s part of the success, is that we?re using Iraqi personnel from the community to get the job done. It also gives us an opportunity to do some training for some of the basic construction skills."
Little to no work has been done updating the power grid problems here in the United States, period. You may have fixed a power line that was down, but as far as upgrading the system itself, it isn't happening.
Oh how wrong you are. You see, it has been upgraded and is constantly being upgraded and added to. In Wisconsin they have been fighting for the last decade(has it been that long?) to get some new high voltage lines put in. They are making progress despite people trying to block it. Here in Iowa weve had new generation go online(wind farms) which created the need to update/upgrade certain areas of the grid. Infact during the Y2K thing we helped put in a power Gen system at a VERY large Financial Company which can provide a significant boost if needed. So anyway, those are just a few of the ones I know about that have been updates and upgrades to our systems.🙂 Oh,and I didn't fix a line that was down😉
Does this mean we destroyed or damaged 300+ schools in Iraq? Just exactly what qualifies as a school making this list in Iraq? Replacing windows that were blown out when a car bomb exploded down the street really shouldn't qualify as a reconstruction project.
Have you not been paying attention? Do you not understand that these schools were in no shape to begin with let alone safe after being used as hideouts, munition dumps, and staging areas by Saddam loyalists?
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/IPMO/0_IMAGE_TOOL_AUTHOR/066_NEW%20RURAL_SCHOOL_0.PDF">Not long ago ? in fact, only five months ago -- these kids were mastering their lessons in a run-down
school house with a collapsed roof, dirt floors, dimly lit rooms and no heating or air conditioning.
Electricity was limited, desks were busted and books and materials were woefully inadequate. Broken
windows outnumbered those still intact.</a>
How many schools in America need MAJOR work done? I'd guess there are more than 1,000 schools right here in this country that need help as much as the schools in Iraq do.
And? The local districts should be fully aware of the problem. I know my old elementary school is in dire need of renovation(demolition😛) but the district has tried referendum after referendum yet the old people in town don't want to pass it. That isn't Bush's fault - nor does it have anything to do with Iraq.
Our government would fudge numbers on a report to make the situation over there look better? Do you really need examples of that from this administration? "Terror attacks down"....ooops, they are up.
Yep, all lies.:roll:
Just because you say the war was just doesn't make it so....now we have to clean up the mess we made, pay hundreds of billions of dollars to do so....rah rah rah ....go team...

Just because you and others spout that the war was unjust and illegal doesn't make it so.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Iraq Reconstruction Passes 1,000 Project Milestone
Reconstruction Projects Underway as of Dec. 2, 2004

schools
363

public health clinics
41

hospitals
14

railroad stations
58

border posts
88

port of entry
6

fire stations
20

police stations
17

military bases
16

water
67

electricity
58

oil
19

sewer
24

roads
66

other
194

total
1,051

:beer::thumbsup:

CsG



How many of them are in flames right now, or will be shortly?

/cynic
 
New high voltage lines and wind power are not exactly earth-shaking upgrades to the power grid

What do 1000+ schools in the USA being in a shambles have to do with the 300+ schools being "reconstructed" in Iraq? You tell me.

Is this entire post even worth discussing if nearly 100% of the work is being done by the people of Iraq? We've occupied their country for what, nearly 2 years? OMG, they are rebuilding!! Did you think they would sit there and do nothing? How much is this costing us?

Rebuilding Japan after WW2 is comparable to this? Um, no.

Here is a news flash for you Cad - kids in Iraq were going to school three years ago. If the glass is broken or they were used as hideouts for insurgents, guess what events triggered that? Could it be our invasion?
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
New high voltage lines and wind power are not exactly earth-shaking upgrades to the power grid

What do 1000+ schools in the USA being in a shambles have to do with the 300+ schools being "reconstructed" in Iraq? You tell me.

Is this entire post even worth discussing if nearly 100% of the work is being done by the people of Iraq? We've occupied their country for what, nearly 2 years? OMG, they are rebuilding!! Did you think they would sit there and do nothing? How much is this costing us?

Rebuilding Japan after WW2 is comparable to this? Um, no.

Here is a news flash for you Cad - kids in Iraq were going to school three years ago. If the glass is broken or they were used as hideouts for insurgents, guess what events triggered that? Could it be our invasion?

Nice try neov - but it doesn't play.
First off I never said it was earthshaking, but others said nothing was being done.
Second - exactly, so can we now discard that diversion?
Third - Yes, because people like you still question who is doing the work and don't seem to believe(for whatever reason) that the Iraqis are working.
Fourth - Uh - yes.
Fifth - News flash for you neov - some were there - but their conditions were horrible and some weren't allowed to go. You should read up on the state of their schools before we went in. You'll find it was no bed of roses.

Yeah, go ahead and ignore reality if you wish but you got served and now can't handle it.😛

CsG
 
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