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Recommendations on Mandatory youth service HR1388 being voted on today

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daniel49

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Link

Obama July 2008 :
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."


Speech Link
Welcome to the party but it looks like you've been drinking already. Here's your ticket. http://www.factcheck.org/askfa...civilian_national.html

Here's Fox News on your security force:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded," Obama, who worked as a community organizer in Chicago early in his career, said during a Colorado Springs rally.

At the time, Obama was discussing expanding the USA Freedom Corps -- created by President George W. Bush in 2002 -- Peace Corps and AmeriCorps, as well as beefing up the cadre of foreign service officers abroad and programs in which veterans help veterans back home.
since he is so eloquent and charismatic shouldn't he have perhaps said that in the speech?
 

ericlp

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Well, if we could get all these lazy fat ass kids to pick up trash on the streets .... that would be a start. Maybe get a few to lose some lbs.

 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Thump553
Quick rule of thumb: a website entitled "End Times Roundtable" is highly suspect. Here's link to a rational summary of this proposed bill-straight from the government:

What the end-of-earthers think is a slavery program-to be imposed by a Black President, no less

This bill is not about imposing slavery. It is the program Obama promised during his campaign to reward students for service to America by paying part of their college costs.
Then it should be voluntary not involuntary, the fact that it is ?mandatory? makes it a form of slavery and violates the constitution.
NOT true.....
It is mandatory that you register for the draft.......
I fail to see or understand why you appear to be afraid...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Fern
Mandatory youth service HR1388 being voted on today
BTW: this title is mis-leading. Recommendations for mandatory service are part of what is being voted on, not actually requiring/implementing it now.

I assume to get implemented they'll have to later vote on it (or Exec Order/signing statement later?)

Fern
This is Socio`s standard operating procedure.....misleading....
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Thump553
Quick rule of thumb: a website entitled "End Times Roundtable" is highly suspect. Here's link to a rational summary of this proposed bill-straight from the government:

What the end-of-earthers think is a slavery program-to be imposed by a Black President, no less

This bill is not about imposing slavery. It is the program Obama promised during his campaign to reward students for service to America by paying part of their college costs.
Yes, it was a campaign promise.

Kids can do community service for 2 years to have a substantial part of a college degree paid for by the federal government.

This is not involuntary, nor is it free labor.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Thump553
Quick rule of thumb: a website entitled "End Times Roundtable" is highly suspect. Here's link to a rational summary of this proposed bill-straight from the government:

What the end-of-earthers think is a slavery program-to be imposed by a Black President, no less

This bill is not about imposing slavery. It is the program Obama promised during his campaign to reward students for service to America by paying part of their college costs.
Yes, it was a campaign promise.

Kids can do community service for 2 years to have a substantial part of a college degree paid for by the federal government.

This is not involuntary, nor is it free labor.
It is if they are not given a free no strings attached choice to not participate.

 

Socio

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Thump553
Quick rule of thumb: a website entitled "End Times Roundtable" is highly suspect. Here's link to a rational summary of this proposed bill-straight from the government:

What the end-of-earthers think is a slavery program-to be imposed by a Black President, no less

This bill is not about imposing slavery. It is the program Obama promised during his campaign to reward students for service to America by paying part of their college costs.
Then it should be voluntary not involuntary, the fact that it is ?mandatory? makes it a form of slavery and violates the constitution.
NOT true.....
It is mandatory that you register for the draft.......
I fail to see or understand why you appear to be afraid...
The draft unfortunately is a necessary evil in that its underlying design is really to prevent the liberal pacifistic masses from not doing their fair share. Otherwise most would be hiding under the tables with their make love not war signs leaving only the conservatives to take up arms and protect the country in times of eminent attack.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Thump553
Quick rule of thumb: a website entitled "End Times Roundtable" is highly suspect. Here's link to a rational summary of this proposed bill-straight from the government:

What the end-of-earthers think is a slavery program-to be imposed by a Black President, no less

This bill is not about imposing slavery. It is the program Obama promised during his campaign to reward students for service to America by paying part of their college costs.
Then it should be voluntary not involuntary, the fact that it is ?mandatory? makes it a form of slavery and violates the constitution.
NOT true.....
It is mandatory that you register for the draft.......
I fail to see or understand why you appear to be afraid...
The draft unfortunately is a necessary evil in that its underlying design is really to prevent the liberal pacifistic masses from not doing their fair share. Otherwise most would be hiding under the tables with their make love not war signs leaving only the conservatives to take up arms and protect the country in times of eminent attack.
If you honestly believe this, seek professional help.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Thump553
Quick rule of thumb: a website entitled "End Times Roundtable" is highly suspect. Here's link to a rational summary of this proposed bill-straight from the government:

What the end-of-earthers think is a slavery program-to be imposed by a Black President, no less

This bill is not about imposing slavery. It is the program Obama promised during his campaign to reward students for service to America by paying part of their college costs.
Then it should be voluntary not involuntary, the fact that it is ?mandatory? makes it a form of slavery and violates the constitution.
NOT true.....
It is mandatory that you register for the draft.......
I fail to see or understand why you appear to be afraid...
The draft unfortunately is a necessary evil in that its underlying design is really to prevent the liberal pacifistic masses from not doing their fair share. Otherwise most would be hiding under the tables with their make love not war signs leaving only the conservatives to take up arms and protect the country in times of eminent attack.
And just how many of you rabid right wingers were actually rushing to sign up when Bush illegally invaded Iraq?

I don't remember any battlefields posts from your sorry arse.
 

ZeGermans

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Conservative viewpoint:
Mandatory military service to murder brown people? Hell yes!
Mandatory civil service with a college tuition payoff to help poor people? FUCKING SLAVERY

 

heyheybooboo

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I wonder how many posters in this thread belong to any service organization?

Any Jaycees out there? Rotarians? Kiwanis? Church groups?

Somebody please start a new thread with a poll - inquiring minds want to know ...

Don't forget Habitat - LOL - I almost did :D
 

alphatarget1

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I'm split on this. I think a lot of young people who sit on their asses and play Xbox all day could do some good if they had to volunteer. But then from what I've heard from some Germans (they have something similar) is that it's a waste of their time.

Things like this shouldn't be "mandated" by any means. Encouraged, yes, but not forced.
 

Chunkee

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I am for mandatory military service for 2 years, just like Israel. I think CPR and Swimming should be mandatory in schools as well as community service, (helping at shelters, cleaning up communities, volunteering).

Most of you effing asshats interpret Freedom, as "do what ever the fuck I want, when I want and how I want." I do not mind that, as long as you can: provide for yourself and your family, as well as are not fucking with my shit or creating more bullshit for me. All we have done in the past few years,(decades), is raise children in a manner that circumvents responsibility as well as fosters its okay to be lazy and selfish.

A large part of me is glad that now and in the future a great deal more people are going to be challenged in life. We have had it too easy for too long and have and lost all appreciation for what we do have.

 

chess9

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Originally posted by: Chunkee
I am for mandatory military service for 2 years, just like Israel. I think CPR and Swimming should be mandatory in schools as well as community service, (helping at shelters, cleaning up communities, volunteering).

Most of you effing asshats interpret Freedom, as "do what ever the fuck I want, when I want and how I want." I do not mind that, as long as you can: provide for yourself and your family, as well as are not fucking with my shit or creating more bullshit for me. All we have done in the past few years,(decades), is raise children in a manner that circumvents responsibility as well as fosters its okay to be lazy and selfish.

A large part of me is glad that now and in the future a great deal more people are going to be challenged in life. We have had it too easy for too long and have and lost all appreciation for what we do have.
Amen. Maybe they'd be happier with the mandatory MILITARY service the Israelis have? :) Two years lugging a gun? Men and women? LOL.

There is nothing wrong with community service. Since Obama is into churches providing aid, he could let these kids work on church projects in their communities. Put the Baptists to work in Selma, the Catholics in New Orleans and Boston, and the Jews in Shaker Heights! ;) Every medical student should be deferred until he/she graduates and then required to give two free years of medical care to the poor. :) I also happen to think medical education should be free to those who qualify. Medical care is too important to let our number of physicians dwindle as we have done.

-Robert

 

Double Trouble

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Clearly, current indoctrination methods in public schools are not quite doing their job as not everyone is a blind socialist yet. We need to set up some brainwashing organizations and force everyone to attend them. We'll make it something "multicultural, multi-ethnic" and call it "serving your country" or some other BS like that to make it seem palatable.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Clearly, current indoctrination methods in public schools are not quite doing their job as not everyone is a blind socialist yet. We need to set up some brainwashing organizations and force everyone to attend them. We'll make it something "multicultural, multi-ethnic" and call it "serving your country" or some other BS like that to make it seem palatable.
They should use the technique that was used on you, it obviously is very effective

 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Clearly, current indoctrination methods in public schools are not quite doing their job as not everyone is a blind socialist yet. We need to set up some brainwashing organizations and force everyone to attend them. We'll make it something "multicultural, multi-ethnic" and call it "serving your country" or some other BS like that to make it seem palatable.
They should use the technique that was used on you, it obviously is very effective
Yes, but think of the enormous cost involved in replacing everyone's brain with a turnip.
 

chess9

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Clearly, current indoctrination methods in public schools are not quite doing their job as not everyone is a blind socialist yet. We need to set up some brainwashing organizations and force everyone to attend them. We'll make it something "multicultural, multi-ethnic" and call it "serving your country" or some other BS like that to make it seem palatable.
They should use the technique that was used on you, it obviously is very effective
Yes, but think of the enormous cost involved in replacing everyone's brain with a turnip.
Yes, but think how much smarter we'd all be!

-Robert

 

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