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Recommendations for website newbie

Bob.

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I'm at the beginning stages of setting up a website for a business (mine). So far, I've registered domain names, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to start. I know I'll need a web host, but I have so many questions I'd like to address first.

I'd really like a forum geared toward the procedural and technical ins and outs of setting up a website for business. Oh, and they should be ok with responding to the uninitiated. I'd think my needs would be fairly simple to start, but later grow.

If not, an informational website? I need direction!

Thanks for any ideas.
 
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Local computer repair and other services. I wouldn't (at least initially) be selling anything off of the site. It would be more informational (services offered, etc.) and a way for new clients to find me as a local company.
 
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"Setting up a web site" can mean a million things. Do you just want to know how to point the domain name at a particular web host? Or do you need to learn how to design and build a web site?

Most people can learn nearly anything they need to, but it's not always the best idea to do it yourself. Like nearly anything else... Should you sharpen your own knives? Should you paint your own house? Should you repair your own truck transmission?
 
"Setting up a web site" can mean a million things. Do you just want to know how to point the domain name at a particular web host? Or do you need to learn how to design and build a web site?

I think I can manage pointing the domain name, and I think the host will have some kind of site building software that I could figure out.

I'm pondering JustHost.com

A few sample questions might be:

1. If I build a site with the host's site building software and decide I want to change hosts later, can I export the site I built?

2. There's a wordpress option. Is it secure, do I have to buy the package to update it if I move. How I should build my website for maximum advantage for me, i.e., maintaining it if I change hosts, belongs to me without strings, etc.

3. My domains are registered elsewhere. The web host is offereing email addresses...only for those who register domains with them?

4. Is email exportable if I should move on?

Most people can learn nearly anything they need to, but it's not always the best idea to do it yourself. Like nearly anything else... Should you sharpen your own knives? Should you paint your own house? Should you repair your own truck transmission?

Yes, yes and yes 😀. I do everything I can myself. But first I research thoroughly and learn how to do it right. If I can't, I'll call in someone who can.

In this case, the web host's software might be ok.
 
If you are paying for a domain if you transfer domains later you can transfer it to the new one. Just make sure you have backups.

You can use their software but get familiar with html and CSS, javascript, etc in case you need to modify things later.
 
Hi Bob,

If not, an informational website? I need direction!

I would highly recommend registering for WebHostingTalk.com which can be an extremely helpful tool if you know how to utilize it.

Every web site has at least 3 basic components:
1) Domain
2) Web Hosting
3) Web design/coding, content, HTML, PHP, MysQL, images, etc.

When registering a domain I would recommend using an ICAN accredited registrar such as NameCheap.com. It's important to keep your domain registration and web hosting completely separate to ensure you are the domains registered owner. Some web hosts offer a "free domain" with web hosting, are you willing to risk possibly losing your domain to save a meager $12?

Next you'll need to find a web host which isn't an easy task. I could type pages about this topic, I would avoid overselling web hosts such as justhost.com:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1370221
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1076443
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1251013

StableHost.com is an established and reputable web host. After searching for reviews and making your own decision, if you decide to proceed with StableHost.com I would consider an annual payment to maximize your savings with the coupon. I personally had a hosting account with them a few years ago and had no major issues, uptime was good, speedy servers and they cancelled my account with minimal hassle.

Web design and content is usually the most challenging but you do have several options available:

1) Do it yourself, you don't need to buy any expensive software you can learn quite a bit using Google.
2) Hire someone or a company to design and code your web site. Prices range anywhere from $20 for a simple static web site to $50,000+ for a custom theme, professional level graphics, database elements, etc.
3) If your web host offers website builder software (StableHost offers RVSiteBuilder Pro at top click Demo then underneath User) or Fantastico auto installer you can install popular software in about 1 minute with a few clicks of your mouse. For your particular needs I would recommend WordPress and either SMF/myBB (free) or IPB/vB (paid).

Have you decided on which forum software you'd like to use?

I think I can manage pointing the domain name, and I think the host will have some kind of site building software that I could figure out.

I'm pondering JustHost.com

A few sample questions might be:

1. If I build a site with the host's site building software and decide I want to change hosts later, can I export the site I built?

2. There's a wordpress option. Is it secure, do I have to buy the package to update it if I move. How I should build my website for maximum advantage for me, i.e., maintaining it if I change hosts, belongs to me without strings, etc.

3. My domains are registered elsewhere. The web host is offereing email addresses...only for those who register domains with them?

4. Is email exportable if I should move on?



Yes, yes and yes 😀. I do everything I can myself. But first I research thoroughly and learn how to do it right. If I can't, I'll call in someone who can.

In this case, the web host's software might be ok.

1) Normally no which is why I recommend using a script such as WordPress and SMF/myBB or IPB/myBB. Assuming they're configured correctly, you can transfer all existing data from one web host to another.
2) WordPress is secure as long as you remain vigilant about software updates, security patches and only installing trusted mods, themes, etc. If this doesn't sound appealing, you could search for a managed WordPress host just make sure they're established and reputable, allow you to use your own domain, allow you to take data with you if you decide to switch web hosts and most importantly are they proactive in their management? How do they define managed and proactive? After finding a few managed WordPress hosts, e-mail their sales department with a few questions such as these.

As I've said before WebHostingTalk.com is a great resource, don't forget to register and use that search button - you'll find a wealth of information which may lead to additional questions :biggrin:

Hope this helps.
 
Local computer repair and other services. I wouldn't (at least initially) be selling anything off of the site. It would be more informational (services offered, etc.) and a way for new clients to find me as a local company.

One of the tasks of this job is knowing people for when you're asked for referrals. May be in your best interest to seek out a local website designer. And who knows, if you are good at what you do, the guy who built your website may recommend you to other businesses he builds sites for who are in need of a tech referral.

Which region are you located in? If it's near me, then forget everything I said 🙂
 
Hi RossMan. Thanks for your detailed response. Lots of good information!

I would highly recommend registering for WebHostingTalk.com which can be an extremely helpful tool if you know how to utilize it.

In fact, I have registered and posted with WHT, and have chosen a domain and registered several names. Coincidentally, namecheap is the registrar I went went, so it's gratifying to see that you've endorsed them.
Here's the thread:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1381844

Next you'll need to find a web host which isn't an easy task. I could type pages about this topic, I would avoid overselling web hosts such as justhost.com...
Another parallel bit of advice. I was told at WHT that justhost and many others were EIG, a company to stay away from. A link was provided listing all the webhosts that are actually EIG.

Web design and content is usually the most challenging but you do have several options available:

1) Do it yourself, you don't need to buy any expensive software you can learn quite a bit using Google.
3) If your web host offers website builder software (StableHost offers RVSiteBuilder Pro at top click Demo then underneath User) or Fantastico auto installer you can install popular software in about 1 minute with a few clicks of your mouse. For your particular needs I would recommend WordPress and either SMF/myBB (free) or IPB/vB (paid).
Likely one of the above (#2 omitted). I'd say that the sitebuilder software would be my choice, but I'm still getting up to speed, so I have to spend some research time, as I realy don't know what I need or how your suggestions might suit them at this point.
Have you decided on which forum software you'd like to use?
I need forum software? If I had to guess, that would be for support?

As I've said before WebHostingTalk.com is a great resource, don't forget to register and use that search button - you'll find a wealth of information which may lead to additional questions :biggrin:
Hope this helps.

It definitely does (always lead to new questions and definitely helps!). Thanks for taking the time to post. You've introduced more elements I need to research, but that's a good thing. Getting the right info is more than half the battle IMO.

I'll be looking into some of what you've suggested this week. Again, thanks so much for your input.
 
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One of the tasks of this job is knowing people for when you're asked for referrals. May be in your best interest to seek out a local website designer. And who knows, if you are good at what you do, the guy who built your website may recommend you to other businesses he builds sites for who are in need of a tech referral.

Good advice, but I'm really a hands-on kind of guy. And in this case, I'd like to know how to maintain and modify my site. What's helpful is the suggestion to connect to people in the industry.
Which region are you located in? If it's near me, then forget everything I said 🙂
😀
 
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Sounds like you're fishing for a web hosting recommendation. I've been with HostGator for about a year and couldn't be happier. There are cheaper alternatives, but there's something to be said for hosting that's located here in the US with live, readily available support. Looking at my billing record, I signed up for the Hatchling plan at $66.72 for a year. I'll renew it soon with a multi-year contract. Looking at their offerings, if you want to host multiple domains you'd need the Baby plan for $7.96 per month.

I'm not sure what to recommend for building your site. If you really want to get your hands dirty, learn HTML and CSS and start from scratch. Using site building software isn't likely to teach you anything but how to use that software. Which isn't bad, in itself, just depends on your goals. If you want a nice looking site without a lot of bother, I'd look at using Wordpress. I've seen many web sites from computer-help businesses and they seldom run more than five or six pages. Seems foolhardy to spend three months learning how to build a site just for that and then have the site look like something that was built in 1998.
 
@Carson Dyle: I'd been looking at HostGator, but turns out they're one of those EIG companies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_International_Group

As far as building the site, I likely will go with the host provided SB software due to time constraints (and running my current business). I just haven't gotten far enough into the process to know what's what. Learning site design is something I will get around to. But you're right. This isn't really the time. Thanks for your input. Everything helps.
 
Hi RossMan. Thanks for your detailed response. Lots of good information!

You're welcome, happy to help. Back in the day when I got bit by the web hosting bug, began a 13 year+ (and counting) journey to research thousands of web hosts. Since web hosting is an (expensive) hobby for me I have several VPS (virtual private server), reseller and shared hosting accounts. I'm always researching new and established web hosts trying to find the perfect balance of reliability, performance and price - it isn't easy but it is possible.

In fact, I have registered and posted with WHT, and have chosen a domain and registered several names. Coincidentally, namecheap is the registrar I went went, so it's gratifying to see that you've endorsed them.
Here's the thread:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1381844

Another parallel bit of advice. I was told at WHT that justhost and many others were EIG, a company to stay away from. A link was provided listing all the webhosts that are actually EIG.

If you haven't already paid for a web host, you may want to consider another type of web hosting that's perfectly suited for multiple domains. Take a look at reseller hosting which is awesome and my personal favorite type of hosting account.

First of all don't worry you don't have to resell anything. Basically you get a bucket of resources (disk space and bandwidth) and you assign resources to every domain. Perhaps you have 1 business web site, 2 hobby web sites, your family wants their own websites for their hobbies, your next door neighbor runs a candle business and you have some friends who want hosting as well. All these can easily be handled with a single resellers account, you manage all the hosted domains using WHM (web host manager). I already know what you may be thinking, this sounds great Ross but it's a little overwhelming and I'll look into it later. Remember you get a bucket of resources and how you use them is completely up to you. Do you only want to host two of your own domains for now and maybe host family/friends/clients in the future? You can do that now. If this sound remotely appealing, trust me, do it and you won't regret it. Here's a reliable reseller in business for 10+ years for $72/yr which gives you:

20GB disk space
200GB bandwidth (per month)
Host unlimited domains, your only restraint is the system resources used.
Available Locations: Germany, EU, Los Angeles, CA ( Asia Optimized IP ) and Dallas, TX

FYI - you can do a shared hosting account now and upgrade to reseller later.

Awesome, WHT is like the wild west of web hosting and you can learn so much from lurking and searching for threads in the appropriate forums. Great choice on NameCheap.com and basically avoiding any EIG web host, now you only have to worry about:

1) Regarding NameCheap.com or any domain registrar, I would consider enabling their Auto Renewal and 2FA features for convenience and security.
2) Find the right web host which it seems you're almost finished with.
3) Design, code or build web site and fill it with content.
4) Most importantly always backup yourself, even though 99% of web hosts advertise a "best effort" to backup your files, always do it yourself. If you're like me, I'd rather automate the process to ensure everything is backed up for only $4.99 per month. Yes just like with web hosting you'll need to research backup hosts as well. If you plan on having a simple static HTML web site you'll only need to backup every time you make a change and you can do it manually via cPanel control panel (provided by your web host).

Likely one of the above (#2 omitted). I'd say that the sitebuilder software would be my choice, but I'm still getting up to speed, so I have to spend some research time, as I realy don't know what I need or how your suggestions might suit them at this point.

I'm not sure why you'd choose a sitebuilder vs pre-installed scripts. If you decide to go with a website builder, make sure before you invest hours of work, the web site can later be exported to another web host. Like you said you're still researching and I'm sure you'll find the right solution that works for your particular needs and budget.

I need forum software? If I had to guess, that would be for support?

Oops nevermind I misread your original post:
I'd really like a forum geared toward the procedural and technical ins and outs of setting up a website for business.

It definitely does (always lead to new questions and definitely helps!). Thanks for taking the time to post. You've introduced more elements I need to research, but that's a good thing. Getting the right info is more than half the battle IMO.

I'll be looking into some of what you've suggested this week. Again, thanks so much for your input.

You're welcome. Search, research, ask questions, rinse and repeat. Learn from others mistakes, it will save you considerable heart ache down the road.
 
You're welcome, happy to help...

Hi RossMan. So sorry for the delay in getting back to this thread. I can't tell you how helpful your advice has been. Unfortunately (depending on how you view it), my existing business sometimes takes control of life, requiring my complete attention. I haven't really had the time to give this matter the attention it deserves, but things are slowing down a bit and I'm hoping to get back to this shortly.

Your suggestion of reseller hosting is one that interests me and seems as though that would suit my purposes best.

I will return to this thread for further reference and also WHT.

Again, thanks for your helpful input 🙂 .
 
freaking rossman is pretending to know what he's talking about again...

😛


Rossman helped me set up my first site 11 or 12 years ago. I had no clue what I was doing and he walked me through it all. All just because he rocks.

Good lookin out rossman!
 
Your suggestion of reseller hosting is one that interests me and seems as though that would suit my purposes best.

I will return to this thread for further reference and also WHT.

Again, thanks for your helpful input 🙂 .

No worries, I know how real life can intervene,

I hope you will give a resellers account serious consideration because it would be perfect for your needs. You may want to begin thinking about which of your domains will be the master domain. Most resellers offer free personalized DNS name servers, for example:
ns1.bobshosting.com
ns2.bobshosting.com

After you've done research and have more questions, we'll be here to help you along the way. You're also welcome to PM me if you'd like.
 
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