you'll get a better experience by spending $250 on a pair of stereo speakers than on some uber-crappy surround system.
EXACTLY. Did the same about a eyar ago, and got two sweet Mirage Fronts and a sub instead of getting a SH!!ty 5.1 system.
Athena MkII + SUB
I recommend the above. I think that is cHEAP AS HELL for a very nice set of speakers PLUS a sub, which ends up making this deal killer. Athena isn't everything, but they do make some fine ass stuff at a nice value.
<---ATHENA PS-400 10'' 100-400watt sub owner
Originally posted by: 50
Hello everyone again...So now everyone seems to be leaning towards the AR Edge. I have a few things to say about them. 1. Will they look kind of tacky being outdoor/indoor speakers? I've always found the grill mesh fronts of speakers to look cheap. Also these speakers seem to be 3-4 years old, will that be a problem?
I just found out AR is out of business. Too bad. I think those are great bang for the buck, because they can migrate to your garage, patio or basement later, which will happen someday. I'm amazed at what people pay for speakers that are wrapped in vinyl contact paper, rather than solid wood, or even a wood veneer. Edge speakers are pure function... period.
I also feel like everyone thinks I am going to trash the speakers I am about to buy soon. I am not much of an audiophile and I really don't see myself spending a lot on speakers. I paid 400 for my receiver and spending more on speakers than the receiver just sounds crazy. Also I might be afraid all these high end speakers might blow out my receiver. I'm not even sure I want to buy speakers anymore.
Speakers are the weak link in the chain of quality sound. They're mechanical, and this inherently costs more than electronics. They can't hurt your amp, if they're at their specified impedance
Also I would like to know, how much more money are we talking about saving up for new speakers? I have a feeling if I save up for these speakers people will tell me I'll need a new receiver and/or a pre-amp. I live in a small house and in the city. I cannot play my music loudly without the neighbors getting angry. Am I asking the wrong people?
The sky's the limit, but I'd want to listen to them before plunking serious money down. The price range you threw out in the OP, is certainly not a lot of money where Home Theater is concerned. When you do buy good speakers, buy 'em from a local place that will let you exchange or return them, if they don't sound good in your room. BTW, for a small room, you don't have to spend too much for great sound. And, you certainly don't need cable over twenty cents per foot, either!
Hello everyone again...So now everyone seems to be leaning towards the AR Edge. I have a few things to say about them. 1. Will they look kind of tacky being outdoor/indoor speakers? I've always found the grill mesh fronts of speakers to look cheap. Also these speakers seem to be 3-4 years old, will that be a problem?
I just found out AR is out of business. Too bad. I think those are great bang for the buck, because they can migrate to your garage, patio or basement later, which will happen someday. I'm amazed at what people pay for speakers that are wrapped in vinyl contact paper, rather than solid wood, or even a wood veneer. Edge speakers are pure function... period.
I also feel like everyone thinks I am going to trash the speakers I am about to buy soon. I am not much of an audiophile and I really don't see myself spending a lot on speakers. I paid 400 for my receiver and spending more on speakers than the receiver just sounds crazy. Also I might be afraid all these high end speakers might blow out my receiver. I'm not even sure I want to buy speakers anymore.
Speakers are the weak link in the chain of quality sound. They're mechanical, and this inherently costs more than electronics. They can't hurt your amp, if they're at their specified impedance
Also I would like to know, how much more money are we talking about saving up for new speakers? I have a feeling if I save up for these speakers people will tell me I'll need a new receiver and/or a pre-amp. I live in a small house and in the city. I cannot play my music loudly without the neighbors getting angry. Am I asking the wrong people?
The sky's the limit, but I'd want to listen to them before plunking serious money down. The price range you threw out in the OP, is certainly not a lot of money where Home Theater is concerned. When you do buy good speakers, buy 'em from a local place that will let you exchange or return them, if they don't sound good in your room. BTW, for a small room, you don't have to spend too much for great sound. And, you certainly don't need cable over twenty cents per foot, either!
You need to seriously educate yourself on audio gear. First of all, you should absolutely spend more on your speakers than you did your receiver. The SPEAKERS are the part that contribute 90% to what you hear.
Second of all, nothing is going to blow out your receiver. And before you suggest it, nothing is likely to blow out your speakers, either.
Really. Go do some reading online about the basics of home theater.
Edit: After reading your list of gear, I'm pretty confused. It looks like you've got a good $2000 or so of other gear - why wouldn't you want your speakers to match?!? If somebody said "I have $1000 to spend on my audio system" I'd tell them to spend $500 on speakers, and $500 on the rest...
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
EXACTLY. Did the same about a eyar ago, and got two sweet Mirage Fronts and a sub instead of getting a SH!!ty 5.1 system.
Athena MkII + SUB
I recommend the above. I think that is cHEAP AS HELL for a very nice set of speakers PLUS a sub, which ends up making this deal killer. Athena isn't everything, but they do make some fine ass stuff at a nice value.
<---ATHENA PS-400 10'' 100-400watt sub owner
He's right.
Best Buy is blowing out the 5.1 Athenas with sub right now. It's the best deal in audio at the moment.
BTW, Athena is know for making amazingly good speakers that stand toe to toes with much more expensive speakers.
If you have the money, go with the ASP-400 sub. It's worth the cost differential of the ASP-300 for sure!!
FYI:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=56dda1368d752d6d4f54cf5d484a134c&threadid=383507
Anyway, if you plan to get some nicer front speakers instead of cheaper front + surrounds, I'd suggest DIY, if you have any experience in woodworking.
Hello, I just got back from Besbuy...I seriously think I'm going to get the athena's...they're only 200 bucks! 200 for the ASP300 seems too much for me. Here comes my naive question...I don't want a subwoofer for bass, as I live in connected houses, the bass shakes the neighbors house, is there any point to getting a stronger sub? I mean if the one I have already is shaking the room, should I think about getting a new one? What difference will I see between a ASP300 and my sub? If it's just shaking the room more, I don't see why I should get one. Also which sattelite should I add to make a 6.1 system with the athena's? Thanks for all the help everyone
I didn't really get into a formal discussion with him, he reccomended though that I get the higher priced Bose speakers. I'm seriously considering this however, I was looking at onecall and I'm going to call them tommorow to ask if they will PM to Bestbuy and give me the 50 dollar discount since I just bought my HK receiver from them 2 weeks ago. However I just noticed that shipping would pretty much kill the deal so I'm probably going to buy at BestBuy.
6.1 has always seemed interesting to me. I've never heard what it sounds like with a speaker behind you. Do you know if dolby digital 5.1 encoded tracks will be upcoded (is this a word?) to 6.1 when I play them, or will it just be 5.1 on all dolby digital tracks unless encoded in 6.1? Anyways, the s.5(indivdual sattelite from MKII) is too expensive right now, its 100 bucks for only 1 sattelite when I can get 5 for 200!
You know what, if you want, you can build 5 of these (if you don't listen at very high volumes, or turn up the bass too high).
http://home.new.rr.com/zaph/audio/audio-speaker11.html
And then replace the front 2 with better ones later on.
http://home.new.rr.com/zaph/audio/audio-speaker11.html
And then replace the front 2 with better ones later on.
I seriously doubt I could build a speaker...I am not "good with my hands"
Also does anyone know about my previous question regarding using 6.1 with a 5.1 encoded program?
I've also been reading around and found that this is the best sub for the money. If I can't get the Athena system deal then I'm probably going to look for a s.5 somewhere else and get the MKII and the Dayton.
You'll have to excuse me beforehand 50 for being antagonistic, but you have basically ignored all the advice we've given you.
1) Having 6.1 SH!!Ty speakers just results in a greater amount of crappy sound
2) The set I recommended you comes with 5 satellites and an Athena Ps-300 sub.
3) I will not give you bad advice. The athena set is a great deal. that is less than $100 per speaker.
The fact is, you keep on going off tangents...Bose , 6.1 speakers etc. I am telling you probably are not going to get a better system for that price. $500 is CHEAP for a 5.1 system....ESPECIALLY with the sub.
As for needing a sub. A CHEAP sub will sound boomy. A nice sub will, hopefully be transparent, as in it will intertwine with your speakers to the point where you forget the sub is even there.
As for Bose, it is a well known fact that you can get a LOT more for your money. People here think of them as Sh!t, and although I may agree with them, that idsscussion is for another time.
In the end it is YOUR decision. Many of us posted GREAT deals that many people would enjoy, but alas you did not.
Remember, a nice 2.1 owns QUITE A FEW 5.1 and 6.1 systems. A nice 5.1 is worth its wait in gold.
My question is this: an athena set is $500(the list for the sub is like $300 or $400 BTW, and yet you are willing to consider Bose, a substantially higher-priced system that will at most give you equal sound?
I'm sorry I'm pissed..I had an "interesting" day, and I ain;t taking flac from no one.
EDIT: It seems like you are going with the athena..I recommend that deal I posted. I dayton sub is fantastic, but Not worth it in your case. THe Athena will be more than enough
1) Having 6.1 SH!!Ty speakers just results in a greater amount of crappy sound
2) The set I recommended you comes with 5 satellites and an Athena Ps-300 sub.
3) I will not give you bad advice. The athena set is a great deal. that is less than $100 per speaker.
The fact is, you keep on going off tangents...Bose , 6.1 speakers etc. I am telling you probably are not going to get a better system for that price. $500 is CHEAP for a 5.1 system....ESPECIALLY with the sub.
As for needing a sub. A CHEAP sub will sound boomy. A nice sub will, hopefully be transparent, as in it will intertwine with your speakers to the point where you forget the sub is even there.
As for Bose, it is a well known fact that you can get a LOT more for your money. People here think of them as Sh!t, and although I may agree with them, that idsscussion is for another time.
In the end it is YOUR decision. Many of us posted GREAT deals that many people would enjoy, but alas you did not.
Remember, a nice 2.1 owns QUITE A FEW 5.1 and 6.1 systems. A nice 5.1 is worth its wait in gold.
My question is this: an athena set is $500(the list for the sub is like $300 or $400 BTW, and yet you are willing to consider Bose, a substantially higher-priced system that will at most give you equal sound?
I'm sorry I'm pissed..I had an "interesting" day, and I ain;t taking flac from no one.
EDIT: It seems like you are going with the athena..I recommend that deal I posted. I dayton sub is fantastic, but Not worth it in your case. THe Athena will be more than enough
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Goosemaster, I plan to get the Athena's except from BB. One call is more expensive and I'd prefer buying B&M. At BB they are 199 for 5 speakers and the sub is 199. I'm not sure about the sub right now. Why is not fit for me to not get the Dayton sub BTW? Oh and also my post was a little messed up about the Bose.
When I was saying "this" I meant to be talking about the Athena's, I had a lot on my mind and didn't reread my post, sorry for the confusion.
When I was saying "this" I meant to be talking about the Athena's, I had a lot on my mind and didn't reread my post, sorry for the confusion.
Hello again, I'm going to BB tommorow (since they were closed today) and buying the MKII. I'm not sure about the subwoofer right now. Can someone find me a place that sells wall brackets for these speakers? Are there even wall brackets(or are these speakers too heavy?)? Can someone also help me find speaker wire for these? I'm thinking about getting a 50 foot spool of monster off ebay, is this okay? If I can't get wallmounts maybe some of you guys can help me position these speakers? Thanks for all the help
I got my speakers today! These are very nice! Although I'm still using my 18 gauge wire, they sound nice. I ordered 12 gauge wire and it should be here next week. One thing that pisses me off is the speakers came with wallmounts but no screws. I'm thinking I should get pretty heavy duty screws like about 10 pounds (the speakers are between 5-10 pounds each). Also I need to get a stud finder so I can put these in the right spot. Thanks everyone! Next thing to get is a subwoofer and/or a rear channel. One last thing that pissed me off is the speakers didn't come with feet, and they scratched my table when I moved them!
Exactly; people have told me however that I should get a new sub for a more clear bass sound as if it blends with the sound from the speakers.
I say get the athena sub....to match.....then again, it will expensive since you didn;t buy the deal tike I told you too.
The dayton sub will be fine. The problem is you will never let the sub stretch its legs, but that is fine. I makes a BIG difference
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FWIW, the $400 Adire Rava: http://www.adireaudio.com/home_audio/loudspeakers/exact_series/rava.htm
....or the Athena ASP-400 ($290 on the net): http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/athena_audition_asp400.htm
Good price here: http://www.radarcity.com/subcategory?sub_id=144&cat_id=19
....are just about the two tighest, cleanest subs you'll find in the under $400 category. These subs won't sound boomy but rather allow you to hear the speed and pitch of different bass notes. They'll also play really low, btw. I speak from experience on the Athena as I have much more expensive audiophile subs (ACI, VMPS) and the Athena is not easily embarrassed.
I recommend you get the Athena speakers on closeout at Best Buy and one of these subs later when you have the money. If you go with any other sub in this budget category, you'll be selling yourself short of ultimate bang for buck.
....or the Athena ASP-400 ($290 on the net): http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/athena_audition_asp400.htm
Good price here: http://www.radarcity.com/subcategory?sub_id=144&cat_id=19
....are just about the two tighest, cleanest subs you'll find in the under $400 category. These subs won't sound boomy but rather allow you to hear the speed and pitch of different bass notes. They'll also play really low, btw. I speak from experience on the Athena as I have much more expensive audiophile subs (ACI, VMPS) and the Athena is not easily embarrassed.
I recommend you get the Athena speakers on closeout at Best Buy and one of these subs later when you have the money. If you go with any other sub in this budget category, you'll be selling yourself short of ultimate bang for buck.
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The $299 Hsu Ventriloquist VT-12 is also an amazing set of speakers that is in your budget range.
Hsu is known for making more expensive audiophile subs that's out of your chosen budget. Now they're introducing small speaker systems that continue the Hsu legacy. I heard them at an audio show last year and sounded GREAT!!
Link: http://www.hsustore.com/vt12.html
Go to www.audioreview.com if you need reference ratings on audio products....
Hsu is known for making more expensive audiophile subs that's out of your chosen budget. Now they're introducing small speaker systems that continue the Hsu legacy. I heard them at an audio show last year and sounded GREAT!!
Link: http://www.hsustore.com/vt12.html
Go to www.audioreview.com if you need reference ratings on audio products....
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