Recommend me a car.. convertible, manual, american-made

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

On top of those issues, the Solstice top is clumsy to operate. So unless the OP leaves the top down, I'm guessing that the inconvenience will result in the top being closed most of the time, thus defeating the point of a convertible.

Originally posted by: KMc
Crossfire.

Not bad, but is it made in America?

it's basically a rebadged merc SLK, IIRC, but it is a sharp looking car. apparently it has decent handling too. i really liked it, but not many others did

The Crossfire was awesome. Especially the SRT-6. Fast car and handled awesome. I really liked the way they looked. They were nice as well.

 

[halik]

Why does it matter where it was made, you're buying it used (GTO)?

But if you want a otherwise-useless weekend sports car, C5 vette would be high on my list. Super cheap to maintain and nutty fast for very little cash. Also don't forget the the residual values - corvettes hold resale value really well.

 

[Gillbot]

C5 Vette

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
And, it also has to be 'american-made' (Ford, GM, Chrysler).

- Ford Mustang convertible

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/...t=ami&story=amMade0709

Detroit's latest muscle cars, the 2010 Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro, have a middling 60 percent domestic content, while their crosstown rival, the Dodge Challenger, comes in at 56 percentOf the three, the Mustang is the only car built here; the Challenger and Camaro are assembled in Canada..

this protectionism bs is retarded. accords and camrys are more american than these. just buy a car that's good.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Overgloc
What you want is a American OWN not Made If made you should add honda and toyota and Nissian.

Ford Mustan

... It'd not like these companies are privately held. There is no such thing as country ownership anymore, they're all international corporations. If you have stock in Toyota, you own toyota, same with any other car company, in the end, the profits come back to just about every country in the world because of public stock ownership.

 

[cheesehead]

MIATA.

Seriously. Just go buy one.

If you're not feeling patriotic enough at the end of the day, you can pay someone to stuff a Mustang engine in it.

 

[DivideBYZero]

GTO: Made in Australia
MX5: Made in Japan

 

[overst33r]

Out of curiosity, why the origin bias?

I say C5 Corvette 'vert if you have to have american. 30mpg on the hwy and tons of power/torque.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Out of curiosity, why the origin bias?

I say C5 Corvette 'vert if you have to have american. 30mpg on the hwy and tons of power/torque.

I think I need to start looking at the C5 Vette!!!

I have the origin bias for lots of reasons.. But part of it is I work at a contracting company that hires union electricians and we charge a premium because of it. But, we have the best quality work of anyone I know and we get to charge a premium in return.. My whole company goes out of our way to buy American.. All our fleet trucks are Ford. All our shirts are stamped with 'made in America'. Our tools.. American-made.. Ya, we pay a premium for it - but it's served us well and we're not about to change.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Out of curiosity, why the origin bias?

I say C5 Corvette 'vert if you have to have american. 30mpg on the hwy and tons of power/torque.

I think I need to start looking at the C5 Vette!!!

I have the origin bias for lots of reasons.. But part of it is I work at a contracting company that hires union electricians and we charge a premium because of it. But, we have the best quality work of anyone I know and we get to charge a premium in return.. My whole company goes out of our way to buy American.. All our fleet trucks are Ford. All our shirts are stamped with 'made in America'. Our tools.. American-made.. Ya, we pay a premium for it - but it's served us well and we're not about to change.

Definitely

Find a local C5, even if it's out of the price range, and go test drive it. The 6MT really does deliver incredible fuel economy for the kind of power that thing delivers.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Out of curiosity, why the origin bias?

I say C5 Corvette 'vert if you have to have american. 30mpg on the hwy and tons of power/torque.

I think I need to start looking at the C5 Vette!!!

I have the origin bias for lots of reasons.. But part of it is I work at a contracting company that hires union electricians and we charge a premium because of it. But, we have the best quality work of anyone I know and we get to charge a premium in return.. My whole company goes out of our way to buy American.. All our fleet trucks are Ford. All our shirts are stamped with 'made in America'. Our tools.. American-made.. Ya, we pay a premium for it - but it's served us well and we're not about to change.

So this is to be a company car?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

Yeah. To start with, finding a GXP is gonna cost more like ~$20k to start with, and then you gotta add the Stage II setup, and then you're pretty much maxed out on the car without doing significant upgrades to the motor internals and rear-end. Point of diminishing returns for sure.

Take a $13k C5 6MT, and throw $7k in upgrades on it + some stickies, and you're out of reach of pretty much everything in the price range, and keeping up with $150k+ new cars.

EDIT : The '03/'04 Cobra is the only other vehicle I can think of in the same price universe that can deliver that spectrum of power in a reliable way, but IMHO they're not quite in the Vette realm, just personal opinion though. I do like the Terminators.

 

[bargetrav]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

Yeah. To start with, finding a GXP is gonna cost more like ~$20k to start with, and then you gotta add the Stage II setup, and then you're pretty much maxed out on the car without doing significant upgrades to the motor internals and rear-end. Point of diminishing returns for sure.

Take a $13k C5 6MT, and throw $7k in upgrades on it + some stickies, and you're out of reach of pretty much everything in the price range, and keeping up with $150k+ new cars.

EDIT : The '03/'04 Cobra is the only other vehicle I can think of in the same price universe that can deliver that spectrum of power in a reliable way, but IMHO they're not quite in the Vette realm, just personal opinion though. I do like the Terminators.

03/04 Cobra would smoke a C5 vette stock and in literal terms with ~1000 dollars you can have 450+hp/ 450+ tq AT THE WHEELS.....


all while riding around in your drop top cobra, can you beat that? helllll no


insurance sucks though on them.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: bargetrav

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

Yeah. To start with, finding a GXP is gonna cost more like ~$20k to start with, and then you gotta add the Stage II setup, and then you're pretty much maxed out on the car without doing significant upgrades to the motor internals and rear-end. Point of diminishing returns for sure.

Take a $13k C5 6MT, and throw $7k in upgrades on it + some stickies, and you're out of reach of pretty much everything in the price range, and keeping up with $150k+ new cars.

EDIT : The '03/'04 Cobra is the only other vehicle I can think of in the same price universe that can deliver that spectrum of power in a reliable way, but IMHO they're not quite in the Vette realm, just personal opinion though. I do like the Terminators.

03/04 Cobra would smoke a C5 vette stock and in literal terms with ~1000 dollars you can have 450+hp/ 450+ tq AT THE WHEELS.....


all while riding around in your drop top cobra, can you beat that? helllll no


insurance sucks though on them.

In straight line speed it'd be cheaper to mod but you can't beat the all-round greatness of a vette.

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

In straight line speed it'd be cheaper to mod but you can't beat the all-round greatness of a vette.

That's true. IMO, the interior build quality is better, too - though, compared to a Mustang, that ain't saying much.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead

Originally posted by: zerocool84

In straight line speed it'd be cheaper to mod but you can't beat the all-round greatness of a vette.

That's true. IMO, the interior build quality is better, too - though, compared to a Mustang, that ain't saying much.

Yeah, you can add a good bit of straight-line speed to the Terminator with minimal work, but once you max out that stock SC, you start looking at considerably more $$ to continue climbing the HP ladder.

Starting with the 5.7L LS1, once you get your forced induction set up properly, you can continue to build reliable power well past the 600hp range without anything exotic. There is even one guy who's got an 8-second C5, still on the IRS! It's for sale even

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...I9g5KY&feature=related

 

[Olivas]

Another vote for the mustang here as well, but I may be partial since I own one. '03 Mustang Mach 1 w/ 5spd. If you're looking for more than just a regular GT has to offer, you can still find it a mustang. Look to some of the special edition 'stang, such as the corba or mah 1.

'00-'01 Cobra - 305hp (4.6l 32v V8), IRS, hard top or convertible
'03-'04 Mach 1 - 315hp (4.6l 32v V8), solid axle (but still upgraded suspension over GT), hard top only though
'03-'04 Cobra - 395hp ((4.6l 32v V8 w/ factory supercharger), IRS, hard top or convertible

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Olivas
Another vote for the mustang here as well, but I may be partial since I own one. '03 Mustang Mach 1 w/ 5spd. If you're looking for more than just a regular GT has to offer, you can still find it a mustang. Look to some of the special edition 'stang, such as the corba or mah 1.

'00-'01 Cobra - 305hp (4.6l 32v V8), IRS, hard top or convertible
'03-'04 Mach 1 - 315hp (4.6l 32v V8), solid axle (but still upgraded suspension over GT), hard top only though
'03-'04 Cobra - 395hp ((4.6l 32v V8 w/ factory supercharger), IRS, hard top or convertible

Hey that's your first post here Welcome to AT, and welcome to the garage :thumbsup:

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

Yeah. To start with, finding a GXP is gonna cost more like ~$20k to start with, and then you gotta add the Stage II setup, and then you're pretty much maxed out on the car without doing significant upgrades to the motor internals and rear-end. Point of diminishing returns for sure.

Take a $13k C5 6MT, and throw $7k in upgrades on it + some stickies, and you're out of reach of pretty much everything in the price range, and keeping up with $150k+ new cars.

EDIT : The '03/'04 Cobra is the only other vehicle I can think of in the same price universe that can deliver that spectrum of power in a reliable way, but IMHO they're not quite in the Vette realm, just personal opinion though. I do like the Terminators.

Don't know much about the Ecotec LNF do you?

It's a forged botom end, crank, and rods with a turbo that can do 30psi through the midrange with the right tunes (using a MAP tricker on the older tunes). The rear end came from the LS6 CTS-V and is more than capable. The direct injection can handle 400whp+ no problem and with a secondary fuel system there is a 600whp guy running around out there now.

The Stage 2 is 25-30 horses shy of what any aftermarket tune can do without tricking the MAP sensors (which is unecessary on the latest tunes from Vince @ Trifecta Motorsports).

I run 13's flat without any meth or pushing the turbo past 22psi.
Lee Howie ran:
60' = 1.636
1/4 mile = 12.012
111.110 mph

That said, in his price range, as I said, I'd go with the C5.

Sources: I own or have owned both.

 

[Arkaign]

22psi? 30psi? Holy **** I'm not brave enough to try to drive something like that, even if it's not for DD duties How tough are the heads on that 2.0? I got the rear-end wrong, I knew the 5L40 tranny was from the small truck lineup, I had thought they might have used the same diff. On the CTS-V, I know they actually strengthened it for the '06+, along with the half-shafts. I think that was in response to this :

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...roblem-cts-cts-vs.html

But given that the GXP dropped for the '07 MY, it's almost certain that the diff is similarly strengthened, etc.

Grats on the Solstice though, I just prefer the LSx to almost anything for (relatively) cheap/stable power and reliability.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

Yeah. To start with, finding a GXP is gonna cost more like ~$20k to start with, and then you gotta add the Stage II setup, and then you're pretty much maxed out on the car without doing significant upgrades to the motor internals and rear-end. Point of diminishing returns for sure.

Take a $13k C5 6MT, and throw $7k in upgrades on it + some stickies, and you're out of reach of pretty much everything in the price range, and keeping up with $150k+ new cars.

EDIT : The '03/'04 Cobra is the only other vehicle I can think of in the same price universe that can deliver that spectrum of power in a reliable way, but IMHO they're not quite in the Vette realm, just personal opinion though. I do like the Terminators.

Don't know much about the Ecotec LNF do you?

It's a forged botom end, crank, and rods with a turbo that can do 30psi through the midrange with the right tunes (using a MAP tricker on the older tunes). The rear end came from the LS6 CTS-V and is more than capable. The direct injection can handle 400whp+ no problem and with a secondary fuel system there is a 600whp guy running around out there now.

The Stage 2 is 25-30 horses shy of what any aftermarket tune can do without tricking the MAP sensors (which is unecessary on the latest tunes from Vince @ Trifecta Motorsports).

I run 13's flat without any meth or pushing the turbo past 22psi.
Lee Howie ran:
60' = 1.636
1/4 mile = 12.012
111.110 mph

That said, in his price range, as I said, I'd go with the C5.

Sources: I own or have owned both.

And no sane person would want to DD that.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: KIAman
Another vote for Solstice if you want used convertible american company car that's fun to drive.

The Solstice is at the end of the day still a 4-banger. The stock version is agonizingly slow for a 'sporty' car, and the mediocre GXP isn't all that hot either. Even the handling is usually panned as heavy-handed and lacking feedback, as in the excellent Miata. Finding a used Solstice GXP (I doubt the OP would want a stock Solstice that's slower than his Cherokee?) for under $20k is tricky, let alone down to the $13k-$15k range.

Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solstice.

Yeah, the GXP and Redline are so slow, with guys only running 12.00's with meth and a tune (<$1000).


(In your price range I'd still go for a C5 vert though)

Shens, you can't go from 14.4 to under 12 for a $1000 tune.

And for American convertible manual there's no point in looking anywhere but Vette.

Well you missed the most important part, methanol. The $1000 part is not a big deal, the 114 octane rating methanol is probably the most important part of that sentence.

Yeah. To start with, finding a GXP is gonna cost more like ~$20k to start with, and then you gotta add the Stage II setup, and then you're pretty much maxed out on the car without doing significant upgrades to the motor internals and rear-end. Point of diminishing returns for sure.

Take a $13k C5 6MT, and throw $7k in upgrades on it + some stickies, and you're out of reach of pretty much everything in the price range, and keeping up with $150k+ new cars.

EDIT : The '03/'04 Cobra is the only other vehicle I can think of in the same price universe that can deliver that spectrum of power in a reliable way, but IMHO they're not quite in the Vette realm, just personal opinion though. I do like the Terminators.

Don't know much about the Ecotec LNF do you?

It's a forged botom end, crank, and rods with a turbo that can do 30psi through the midrange with the right tunes (using a MAP tricker on the older tunes). The rear end came from the LS6 CTS-V and is more than capable. The direct injection can handle 400whp+ no problem and with a secondary fuel system there is a 600whp guy running around out there now.

The Stage 2 is 25-30 horses shy of what any aftermarket tune can do without tricking the MAP sensors (which is unecessary on the latest tunes from Vince @ Trifecta Motorsports).

I run 13's flat without any meth or pushing the turbo past 22psi.
Lee Howie ran:
60' = 1.636
1/4 mile = 12.012
111.110 mph

That said, in his price range, as I said, I'd go with the C5.

Sources: I own or have owned both.

And no sane person would want to DD that.

Why? What's the difference between running that and a motor with an obscenely high compression ratio? They're both rough on the entire motor which is why they are built so strong. The LNF has a very nice torque curve, you're not waiting for a week for the turbo to spool, and it gets awesome fuel efficiency.

I'm as much of a V8 loving 'merican as you guys, but being able to enjoy a different method of power delivery is one of the reasons I enjoy this car so much. It's like an I4 sport bike vs. a v-twin. Both are bad ass, they're just different. Appreciate them both :thumbsup: