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recommend a RELIABLE video editing program

Red Squirrel

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
Even though this is not my hobby, I often end up being in situations where I need to edit and render video, since people think if you are in IT you can do anything that has to do with a computer, or any device that plugs into a wall or operates with electricity. We even had people call in for support on a MRI machine.... anyway, I'm sick and tired of crappy video editing software, I've tried many. Adobe premiere - SLOW, Unreliable, restrictive (randomly says no to imported video files, etc), crashes all the freaken time while rendering, etc. Ulead Video, VERY unreliable, crashes all the time. I've tried one called houdini I think, it was rediculously complicated, I'm not using quantum physics to render video here, I just want A B video editing. Theres pinnacle, but its too propiatary, won't accept much formats.

I use windows, but I'm open to linux options, I have a machine sitting here that I'll be using as a VMware server with fedora core 7 so I can just go ahead and install a GUI as well and render on the host. In a way it would be better so I'm not halting my main production machine durring renders.

So any recommendations?

 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Even though this is not my hobby, I often end up being in situations where I need to edit and render video, since people think if you are in IT you can do anything that has to do with a computer, or any device that plugs into a wall or operates with electricity. We even had people call in for support on a MRI machine.... anyway, I'm sick and tired of crappy video editing software, I've tried many. Adobe premiere - SLOW, Unreliable, restrictive (randomly says no to imported video files, etc), crashes all the freaken time while rendering, etc. Ulead Video, VERY unreliable, crashes all the time. I've tried one called houdini I think, it was rediculously complicated, I'm not using quantum physics to render video here, I just want A B video editing. Theres pinnacle, but its too propiatary, won't accept much formats.

I use windows, but I'm open to linux options, I have a machine sitting here that I'll be using as a VMware server with fedora core 7 so I can just go ahead and install a GUI as well and render on the host. In a way it would be better so I'm not halting my main production machine durring renders.

So any recommendations?
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"Adobe premiere - SLOW, Unreliable, restrictive (randomly says no to imported video files, etc), crashes all the freaken time while rendering"

Odd, I use it on a daily basis and have none of these problems.

I'd recommend Premiere Pro CS3, but it appears to be over your head.
 
I could give that one a try. But premiere 6 and 7 I've used the most, and while they beat anything else I've tried, they're super unreliable. basically, the bigger the video, the slower it gets, and more often it crashes. I Just got 7 today and I could not even render a 2 minute video without having it crash. The partial divx file was also like 4GB
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I could give that one a try. But premiere 6 and 7 I've used the most, and while they beat anything else I've tried, they're super unreliable. basically, the bigger the video, the slower it gets, and more often it crashes. I Just got 7 today and I could not even render a 2 minute video without having it crash. The partial divx file was also like 4GB
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Um, you didn't render a divx file with premiere. Premiere does not support divx in any fashion. You can't even import divx into your projects bin.

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc1de41

Divx has to be converted to an DV-AVI based file and then imported as an asset.

I use Premiere daily and I've never had any major problems with it. It has a crashed a few times here and there, but that's the inherent nature of software in general.

Honestly, the problem isn't with the software.
 
I've always been able to import divx and also render as divx. My guess is it actually calls up the divx libraries to do the work, but its still done through premiere. Premiere has only given me few issues with formats, its usually decent at accepting the various formats people throw at me. I just find the program rediculously unreliable. I was hoping 7 would be better then 6, but I found its not. The interface is nicer and all, but if the program crashes insanely like that, its not really usable.

For now I'm using virtualdub, but its kind of tedious and only really good for simple stuff like cutting clips and such. I can always use flashmx as well I suppose, it can export to video.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I've always been able to import divx and also render as divx. My guess is it actually calls up the divx libraries to do the work, but its still done through premiere. Premiere has only given me few issues with formats, its usually decent at accepting the various formats people throw at me. I just find the program rediculously unreliable. I was hoping 7 would be better then 6, but I found its not. The interface is nicer and all, but if the program crashes insanely like that, its not really usable.

For now I'm using virtualdub, but its kind of tedious and only really good for simple stuff like cutting clips and such. I can always use flashmx as well I suppose, it can export to video.
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"The video, (typically DIVX, WMV, or something similar), is not truly compatible with Ppro."

Straight from ADOBE. But you want to continue blaming the product for "crashing" because you're trying to do something that isn't supported by the software.

Again, the problem is with you, not the software itself. It's like putting water in your car instead of gas and then saying "Toyota makes a crappy car that always breaks down". Use it how it's supposed to be used.

Good luck with what you are doing though.
 
Premiere is a great product.
I have used it a lot.
Keep in mind that premiere was designed for the Pro world and as such does not work well with compressed formats.
People in the pro world work with uncompressed video mostly, its edited , composited, then rendered out.
That final render is then compressed.

If I have to edit a divx file then I render it out to a non-compressed format, do what I need to do , then compress it back.
 
Hmmm guess I could try that, think virtualdub will accept most common formats and uncompress them. Disk space might be an issue if I need to make a super big video though. uncompressed avi is like 1-2GB per minute. Guess macs are better for this kind of stuff. 😛
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Hmmm guess I could try that, think virtualdub will accept most common formats and uncompress them. Disk space might be an issue if I need to make a super big video though. uncompressed avi is like 1-2GB per minute. Guess macs are better for this kind of stuff. 😛
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You don't use Uncompressed AVI.

"Divx has to be converted to an DV-AVI based file and then imported as an asset."

Please go back and read what I wrote you in my second post. I explained that it needs to be converted to DV AVI. It would be silly to convert a divx movie to uncompressed. The format you are starting with is low quality and there's no reason to do anything over DV AVI.

I also provided a link to adobe forums that tells you exactly what you need to know. Instead of complaining about the product, actually look into the solutions we are providing.


EDIT: Virtual Dub IS a great little tool to use along side any editing software. It's forgiving with most formats and allows you to convert video files and rip DVD content when you need it.
 
Would raw AVI work though? Since if it has to be DV-AVI then I have to find another program just so I can convert the RAW AVI produced by virtualdub to DV AVI. All these conversions take long, so I want to illimate steps as much as possible.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Would raw AVI work though? Since if it has to be DV-AVI then I have to find another program just so I can convert the RAW AVI produced by virtualdub to DV AVI. All these conversions take long, so I want to illimate steps as much as possible.
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Raw (uncompressed) AVI will work, but the file sizes are going to be HUGE.

Virtual Dub can do DV AVI files. Go to Video > Compression > Then select the DV Codec.

FYI: I can't remember if Virtual Dub comes with a DV codec or not. You can always download a DV codec like this one:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Panasonic_DV_Codec

There may be others you can find and use also. Matrox MJPEG Codec pack is another one.
 
I don't think there is such a thing. I recently had a horrid experience with Sony Vegas Movie Studio 7. I've also had trouble a while back with Pinnacle Studio.
 
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