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Dont get me wrong guys, I *WILL* try this. I LIKE Tool. But I think someone is overstating the Tools place in music because they set up the tracks in a sprial whatthehellever sequence. Hence my reference to Floyd. Interesting stuff but to me its just a good band with a cool trick on the CD's. Like a hidden song or some such.
So, dont think I'm Tool hatin here. I just think the author of that is putting FAR too much weight into Tool as a whole based on his findings.
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Dont get me wrong guys, I *WILL* try this. I LIKE Tool. But I think someone is overstating the Tools place in music because they set up the tracks in a sprial whatthehellever sequence. Hence my reference to Floyd. Interesting stuff but to me its just a good band with a cool trick on the CD's. Like a hidden song or some such.
So, dont think I'm Tool hatin here. I just think the author of that is putting FAR too much weight into Tool as a whole based on his findings.

agreed. tool just has a dash of somthing that other bands of this music generation lack. much like pink, and bands that influenced them.

anyone thinking that any music is completly original is being naive. it was all done, long, long ago.

 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Dont get me wrong guys, I *WILL* try this. I LIKE Tool. But I think someone is overstating the Tools place in music because they set up the tracks in a sprial whatthehellever sequence. Hence my reference to Floyd. Interesting stuff but to me its just a good band with a cool trick on the CD's. Like a hidden song or some such.
So, dont think I'm Tool hatin here. I just think the author of that is putting FAR too much weight into Tool as a whole based on his findings.

I :heart: maynard as much as the next dude (check my sig), and I agree with ya Shockwave. This whole thing would rule if it were all just a coincidence lol. I actually heard from a friend that Danny does do a cyclic motion with his drum beats on Lateralus though, although he might have been referring to the Fibonacci sequence. It is a good find nonetheless.

-silver
 
Originally posted by: agnitrate
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Dont get me wrong guys, I *WILL* try this. I LIKE Tool. But I think someone is overstating the Tools place in music because they set up the tracks in a sprial whatthehellever sequence. Hence my reference to Floyd. Interesting stuff but to me its just a good band with a cool trick on the CD's. Like a hidden song or some such.
So, dont think I'm Tool hatin here. I just think the author of that is putting FAR too much weight into Tool as a whole based on his findings.

I :heart: maynard as much as the next dude (check my sig), and I agree with ya Shockwave. This whole thing would rule if it were all just a coincidence lol. I actually heard from a friend that Danny does do a cyclic motion with his drum beats on Lateralus though, although he might have been referring to the Fibonacci sequence. It is a good find nonetheless.

-silver


Agreed.
:beer:

Although, I do highly recommend the Dark Side of the Moon and Dorothy combo if your into alternate meaning type stuff. Very interesting. Coincedental? Who knows.....
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave


Although, I do highly recommend the Dark Side of the Moon and Dorothy combo if your into alternate meaning type stuff. Very interesting. Coincedental? Who knows.....

I have DSOTM, now I just need a copy of The Wizard of Oz 😛

-silver
 
From Something Awful:

Where?s the appeal of being a Tool fan? Is it the scavenger hunt for all the Bill Hicks references? Is it the fact that Tool is almost prog-rock, but it?s about 3% less nerdy than liking Rush? Perhaps it?s the desire to be part of the most widely-hated club of music dorks this side of Insane Clown Posse fans (even Tool hates Tool fans: ?Ticks and Leeches? and ?Hooker with a Penis? come to mind). The amount of zealotry surrounding Tool is legendary. Many of the people who requested that I discuss Tool actually went so far as to imply that there was absolutely nothing bad to be said about Tool. Obviously, this could not be farther from the truth.

The vast majority of the e-mails about Tool had the same general gist. ?I love Tool, but I hate Tool fans!? Apparently, not only are there hordes of self-righteous Tool fans who think that only people who understand Tool?s many facets are worthy of Tool fandom, but there are also a huge number of Tool fans who totally don?t get Tool and make all the other Tool fans look bad. Well, this is interesting, because I?ve only ever met the self-righteous kind. You?d think if there were ten times as many phony, retarded sheep-like Tool fans as real ones, I would have received quite a few e-mails saying ?do tool their awesome cuz they got a video with a clay dude it was rad and Maynard is my god.?

No. There?s only one kind of Tool fan. The Tool fan who thinks that being a Tool fan lets them into some big secret that nobody else gets. They think that only a select few posses the secret Tool decoder ring. They?d love to believe that all the halfwits who listen to Tool actually don?t get it, but really they?re all listening to them for the same reason. The fact of the matter is, any moron can understand Tool, but the hidden appeal of Tool lies in the fact that they give the illusion of being a band for smart people. They do this, as any Tool fan knows, by throwing in jumbled references to high school psychology, obscure religious references, and miscellaneous meaningless nonsense. Bullshit or not, as long as there?s something there to figure out or interpret, it?s going to make some stoned dropout feel smart.

Certainly there?s more to like about Tool than just their connect-the-dots pseudo-intellectualism. For starters, there?s Maynard James Keenan?s (second stupidest name in pop music, next to Idlewild?s Roddy Woomble) halting, breathy, nauseatingly affected crooning. He?s like the Morrissey of hard rock. He?s also a deep, poetic lyricist, having made millions of snickering Beavis-clones feel like subversive badasses for playing songs about fisting in their mom?s minivans (to avoid a few angry e-mails, let me just humor you and say ?the song isn?t really about fisting, there?s like? a whole other deeper level, man?). Honestly, it?s difficult to imagine how anyone could mistake his ham-fisted poetry for good. ?My shadow / shedding skin / I?ve been picking / my scabs again.? It?s certainly a lot closer to Reznor than it is to Yeats. The man is just singing about angst and non-specific malaise, just like every other whiny hard-rock nerd. I?m sure Tool fans like to argue that he poignantly sings about his own traumatic history of abuse, but come on, it?s not like that?s a rare commodity these days; all it does it put him in the same lofty poetic stratosphere as the guy from Korn.

A lot of Tool fans also like to talk about what an amazing drummer Danny Carey is just because he can do weird time signatures and that really fast prog-rock thumpa thumpa thumpa thing. As for the others, from everything I?ve ever heard of them, their guitar player and bassist are little more than passable (in fact, having heard the song ?Lateralus? on the radio, I distinctly recall conspicuously bad guitar work). Furthermore, their albums are about as consistent as Russian roulette; for every catchy pop single like 46 and 2, there?s twice the volume of unlistenable time-filling crap. I?m glad the band loves their fans enough to include a German cookie recipe and an angry answering machine message. Lord knows they didn?t buy the record expecting too many actual songs. Maybe their record label gives them some sort of bonus check if they make their CD exactly 79 minutes long.

They?re the ultimate hybrid of the two most nerdy and worthless styles of music: heavy metal and progressive rock. They barely manage to walk the fine line between complimenting the listener?s intelligence and insulting it. They?re responsible for introducing a level of hilarious faux-satanic mysticism to pop music that we haven?t heard since Hotel California by the Eagles. Their crimes against humanity have not gone unpunished, though; they?re forever cursed to have an unbearable fanbase, terrible haircuts, and videos so gloomy that they verge on hilarious. If you?re a Tool fan and disagree with my summary, feel free to keep your worthless trap shut for once in your whining, self-involved life.

Just keeping the balance

For the record I like Tool but I wouldn't call myself a huge fan. I prefer A Perfect Circle 🙂.
 
Originally posted by: nan0bug
From Something Awful:

*snip*

Just keeping the balance

That post is just meant to get people angry. They also make fun of Radiohead, Coldplay, John Mayer, and a bunch of other bands. Say what they want, TOOL is better than the average band IMO. Case-closed.

-silver

 
Originally posted by: agnitrate
Originally posted by: nan0bug
From Something Awful:

*snip*

Just keeping the balance

That post is just meant to get people angry. They also make fun of Radiohead, Coldplay, John Mayer, and a bunch of other bands. Say what they want, TOOL is better than the average band IMO. Case-closed.

-silver

The reason it makes people angry is because it's pretty much true. That doesn't mean tool isn't a talented band. They are definately better than the average band. That doesn't mean that the guy who wrote that post wasn't spot on.
 
sounds just like a something awful rant to me.

let me just say this: he gets it, but he doesn't GET IT. to compare maynard's lyrics to something korn would write just shows how far off base he is. that's like saying the beatles were no better than the monkies because they played the same "genre" and both sang about girls. it's like holding a big sign over your head that says, "i have no taste and no idea what i'm talking about, so please ignore everything i have to say."

keep in mind also that the tool fans who "don't get it" aren't the crazed zealots who will write to people about how wonderful and smart they are. they think tool are ok, but they'd rather listen to pantera or slayer because the music is easier to follow. "hooker with a penis" is about this type of fan, the one's who thought everything after "opiate" was downhill.
 
i agree with a lot of what that guy says. theres nothing to "get". if you listen to them, its pretty obvious. every band has those types of fans, tho.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
sounds just like a something awful rant to me.

let me just say this: he gets it, but he doesn't GET IT. to compare maynard's lyrics to something korn would write just shows how far off base he is. that's like saying the beatles were no better than the monkies because they played the same "genre" and both sang about girls. it's like holding a big sign over your head that says, "i have no taste and no idea what i'm talking about, so please ignore everything i have to say."

keep in mind also that the tool fans who "don't get it" aren't the crazed zealots who will write to people about how wonderful and smart they are. they think tool are ok, but they'd rather listen to pantera or slayer because the music is easier to follow. "hooker with a penis" is about this type of fan, the one's who thought everything after "opiate" was downhill.

But broken down to the basic form a lot of maynard's lyrics do share traits with Korn's lyrics. And Deftones. And Nine Inch Nails. And (insert angsty progressive hard rock band here). He's not saying that Maynard isn't more talented -- he's saying that regardless of HOW he spells it out for you, Maynard is basically singing about the same crap as any of these other bands. Thats what everyone else seems to 'get' EXCEPT for people who seem to worship the ground Maynard walks on.

What the guy who wrote that 'gets' is that there is nothing elite about understanding what Maynard's lyrics are saying because everyone understands them. Yes, they're a bit cryptic. Yes, he is a very talented lyricist. No, he's not singing about anything particularly groundbreaking. He's singing out his angst, torment, women. Same as a gazillion other singers who don't do it as well as he does, and a whole crapload of other singers that were doing it before he was. He just happens to be better at it. That doesn't mean he's some kind of god who is automatically exempt from being criticized -- and it definately doesn't mean Tool is some 'holy gift'. They're a friggin band. SFW.

 
hmm...I am not so sure about this. Maybe it sounds better with the proper delays removed, but it doesn't sound that good right now. The grudge is definately out of place
 
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
hmm...I am not so sure about this. Maybe it sounds better with the proper delays removed, but it doesn't sound that good right now. The grudge is definately out of place

The album as it stands was out of place, the different order was def. better
 
So that whole post was about you re-organizing tracks and it sounding better, and the drummer having a trippy beat. Uhhh. Stop living.
 
Originally posted by: Munchies
So that whole post was about you re-organizing tracks and it sounding better, and the drummer having a trippy beat. Uhhh. Stop living.

way to miss the point.
 
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
sounds just like a something awful rant to me.

let me just say this: he gets it, but he doesn't GET IT. to compare maynard's lyrics to something korn would write just shows how far off base he is. that's like saying the beatles were no better than the monkies because they played the same "genre" and both sang about girls. it's like holding a big sign over your head that says, "i have no taste and no idea what i'm talking about, so please ignore everything i have to say."

keep in mind also that the tool fans who "don't get it" aren't the crazed zealots who will write to people about how wonderful and smart they are. they think tool are ok, but they'd rather listen to pantera or slayer because the music is easier to follow. "hooker with a penis" is about this type of fan, the one's who thought everything after "opiate" was downhill.

But broken down to the basic form a lot of maynard's lyrics do share traits with Korn's lyrics. And Deftones. And Nine Inch Nails. And (insert angsty progressive hard rock band here). He's not saying that Maynard isn't more talented -- he's saying that regardless of HOW he spells it out for you, Maynard is basically singing about the same crap as any of these other bands. Thats what everyone else seems to 'get' EXCEPT for people who seem to worship the ground Maynard walks on.

What the guy who wrote that 'gets' is that there is nothing elite about understanding what Maynard's lyrics are saying because everyone understands them. Yes, they're a bit cryptic. Yes, he is a very talented lyricist. No, he's not singing about anything particularly groundbreaking. He's singing out his angst, torment, women. Same as a gazillion other singers who don't do it as well as he does, and a whole crapload of other singers that were doing it before he was. He just happens to be better at it. That doesn't mean he's some kind of god who is automatically exempt from being criticized -- and it definately doesn't mean Tool is some 'holy gift'. They're a friggin band. SFW.

see that's just it. you're still NOT understanding the lyrics. tool sang about that angsty crap on their first two records, granted, but the last two have been about self-realiztion, a concept completely foriegn to the lyrics of korn, deftones, or nine inch nails. and while korn, deftones, and nine inch nails and the old tool were purely about negative energy, the current tool is about positive energy. lateralus is basically about god, although not the christian god they were ranting about 13 years ago.

maynard isn't some almighty genius or anything, and from what i've read, he's probably a pretentious dick. i don't pretend to be an expert on anything, and i still figured out what he's singing about, so it's not like tool is really hard to understand. but they're obviously way over your head if you think they're singing about the same stuff as korn.
 
regarding the song order: i tried it and didn't think too highly of it. i removed the silences and whatnot, but it doesn't flow as well as the original. i don't know what the guy was talking about with songs leading into each other. i hear nothing of that, only broken pieces where songs that originally DID lead into each other now don't. i think the deal with some of the beats sounding similar was probably something they were trying to avoid. i'm glad the guy found away to jolt his mind into understanding the album, but i don't think they was what they intented.

in short, i think the guy was reading too much into this.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
sounds just like a something awful rant to me.

let me just say this: he gets it, but he doesn't GET IT. to compare maynard's lyrics to something korn would write just shows how far off base he is. that's like saying the beatles were no better than the monkies because they played the same "genre" and both sang about girls. it's like holding a big sign over your head that says, "i have no taste and no idea what i'm talking about, so please ignore everything i have to say."

keep in mind also that the tool fans who "don't get it" aren't the crazed zealots who will write to people about how wonderful and smart they are. they think tool are ok, but they'd rather listen to pantera or slayer because the music is easier to follow. "hooker with a penis" is about this type of fan, the one's who thought everything after "opiate" was downhill.

But broken down to the basic form a lot of maynard's lyrics do share traits with Korn's lyrics. And Deftones. And Nine Inch Nails. And (insert angsty progressive hard rock band here). He's not saying that Maynard isn't more talented -- he's saying that regardless of HOW he spells it out for you, Maynard is basically singing about the same crap as any of these other bands. Thats what everyone else seems to 'get' EXCEPT for people who seem to worship the ground Maynard walks on.

What the guy who wrote that 'gets' is that there is nothing elite about understanding what Maynard's lyrics are saying because everyone understands them. Yes, they're a bit cryptic. Yes, he is a very talented lyricist. No, he's not singing about anything particularly groundbreaking. He's singing out his angst, torment, women. Same as a gazillion other singers who don't do it as well as he does, and a whole crapload of other singers that were doing it before he was. He just happens to be better at it. That doesn't mean he's some kind of god who is automatically exempt from being criticized -- and it definately doesn't mean Tool is some 'holy gift'. They're a friggin band. SFW.

see that's just it. you're still NOT understanding the lyrics. tool sang about that angsty crap on their first two records, granted, but the last two have been about self-realiztion, a concept completely foriegn to the lyrics of korn, deftones, or nine inch nails. and while korn, deftones, and nine inch nails and the old tool were purely about negative energy, the current tool is about positive energy. lateralus is basically about god, although not the christian god they were ranting about 13 years ago.

maynard isn't some almighty genius or anything, and from what i've read, he's probably a pretentious dick. i don't pretend to be an expert on anything, and i still figured out what he's singing about, so it's not like tool is really hard to understand. but they're obviously way over your head if you think they're singing about the same stuff as korn.

NI wouldnt lump NIN in with Deftones and Korn. NIN is FAR above those two bands. I would put NIN up with Tool in this regard, NIN is good shyte man.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
sounds just like a something awful rant to me.

let me just say this: he gets it, but he doesn't GET IT. to compare maynard's lyrics to something korn would write just shows how far off base he is. that's like saying the beatles were no better than the monkies because they played the same "genre" and both sang about girls. it's like holding a big sign over your head that says, "i have no taste and no idea what i'm talking about, so please ignore everything i have to say."

keep in mind also that the tool fans who "don't get it" aren't the crazed zealots who will write to people about how wonderful and smart they are. they think tool are ok, but they'd rather listen to pantera or slayer because the music is easier to follow. "hooker with a penis" is about this type of fan, the one's who thought everything after "opiate" was downhill.

But broken down to the basic form a lot of maynard's lyrics do share traits with Korn's lyrics. And Deftones. And Nine Inch Nails. And (insert angsty progressive hard rock band here). He's not saying that Maynard isn't more talented -- he's saying that regardless of HOW he spells it out for you, Maynard is basically singing about the same crap as any of these other bands. Thats what everyone else seems to 'get' EXCEPT for people who seem to worship the ground Maynard walks on.

What the guy who wrote that 'gets' is that there is nothing elite about understanding what Maynard's lyrics are saying because everyone understands them. Yes, they're a bit cryptic. Yes, he is a very talented lyricist. No, he's not singing about anything particularly groundbreaking. He's singing out his angst, torment, women. Same as a gazillion other singers who don't do it as well as he does, and a whole crapload of other singers that were doing it before he was. He just happens to be better at it. That doesn't mean he's some kind of god who is automatically exempt from being criticized -- and it definately doesn't mean Tool is some 'holy gift'. They're a friggin band. SFW.

see that's just it. you're still NOT understanding the lyrics. tool sang about that angsty crap on their first two records, granted, but the last two have been about self-realiztion, a concept completely foriegn to the lyrics of korn, deftones, or nine inch nails. and while korn, deftones, and nine inch nails and the old tool were purely about negative energy, the current tool is about positive energy. lateralus is basically about god, although not the christian god they were ranting about 13 years ago.

maynard isn't some almighty genius or anything, and from what i've read, he's probably a pretentious dick. i don't pretend to be an expert on anything, and i still figured out what he's singing about, so it's not like tool is really hard to understand. but they're obviously way over your head if you think they're singing about the same stuff as korn.
Yup. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: nan0bug
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
sounds just like a something awful rant to me.

let me just say this: he gets it, but he doesn't GET IT. to compare maynard's lyrics to something korn would write just shows how far off base he is. that's like saying the beatles were no better than the monkies because they played the same "genre" and both sang about girls. it's like holding a big sign over your head that says, "i have no taste and no idea what i'm talking about, so please ignore everything i have to say."

keep in mind also that the tool fans who "don't get it" aren't the crazed zealots who will write to people about how wonderful and smart they are. they think tool are ok, but they'd rather listen to pantera or slayer because the music is easier to follow. "hooker with a penis" is about this type of fan, the one's who thought everything after "opiate" was downhill.

But broken down to the basic form a lot of maynard's lyrics do share traits with Korn's lyrics. And Deftones. And Nine Inch Nails. And (insert angsty progressive hard rock band here). He's not saying that Maynard isn't more talented -- he's saying that regardless of HOW he spells it out for you, Maynard is basically singing about the same crap as any of these other bands. Thats what everyone else seems to 'get' EXCEPT for people who seem to worship the ground Maynard walks on.

What the guy who wrote that 'gets' is that there is nothing elite about understanding what Maynard's lyrics are saying because everyone understands them. Yes, they're a bit cryptic. Yes, he is a very talented lyricist. No, he's not singing about anything particularly groundbreaking. He's singing out his angst, torment, women. Same as a gazillion other singers who don't do it as well as he does, and a whole crapload of other singers that were doing it before he was. He just happens to be better at it. That doesn't mean he's some kind of god who is automatically exempt from being criticized -- and it definately doesn't mean Tool is some 'holy gift'. They're a friggin band. SFW.

see that's just it. you're still NOT understanding the lyrics. tool sang about that angsty crap on their first two records, granted, but the last two have been about self-realiztion, a concept completely foriegn to the lyrics of korn, deftones, or nine inch nails. and while korn, deftones, and nine inch nails and the old tool were purely about negative energy, the current tool is about positive energy. lateralus is basically about god, although not the christian god they were ranting about 13 years ago.

maynard isn't some almighty genius or anything, and from what i've read, he's probably a pretentious dick. i don't pretend to be an expert on anything, and i still figured out what he's singing about, so it's not like tool is really hard to understand. but they're obviously way over your head if you think they're singing about the same stuff as korn.

I said a lot, I didn't say all. Yes as of late he is singing a lot about positive things, but then again staind was an angsty band who as of late is singing about positivity. Once again, its not exactly groundbreaking stuff. Yeah, tool is on a whole different level than staind, but that doesn't mean they're some 'holy gift'

And yes, Maynard is a pretentious prick, which is why I agree with what the original post says. He knows what he's doing and he knows that hes got a whole lot of people thinking they're in on some big secret when they're not.

Thats why I like A Perfect Circle better. It's just good rock music. If I wanted to be preached to, I'd go to church.
 
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