Recent addition to the NYT Editorial Board's tweets (before at NYT)

[Atreus21]

I would have thought that you think it's a good thing that a business didn't allow fake outrage over a sarcastic comment to prevent it from hiring the best person for the job.

We do, or at least I do. I simply ask that it be consistently applied.

 

[Genx87]

I would have thought that you think it's a good thing that a business didn't allow fake outrage over a sarcastic comment to prevent it from hiring the best person for the job.

And let's be clear here, the 'offense' here is 100% in bad faith and is not genuine. This originated from 4chan from my understanding and they are perfectly upfront about how they are acting in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/jcassano/status/1025331815941332994

A business can make whatever decision they want. But I would think most business would stay far away from it.

And your twitter link is exactly why I would think a newspaper would stay away. The media is under assault by the alt-right and Drumpf. So lets go hire a person with that kind of twitter past? What could go wrong?

 

[fskimospy]

If the same comments had been made about any other racial group, you think the outcome would've been no different?

Oh jesus quit it already with the white persecution - you aren't persecuted.

People mocking racism is not the same thing as racism or anything even remotely close to it. Trying to equate the two is transparently ridiculous and there's no way you actually believe they are the same thing. This is why people think so poorly of conservatives about issues like this, on one hand you claim that actual racists shouldn't be fired because of what they say and then turn around and complain about how people mocking racism aren't fired.

 

[Blackjack200]

Not in your opinion why?

Also, if you are in a city where your race is the minority, and someone is prejudiced to you, are you oppressed? How big of a circle and when do you stop that circle?

No hypotheticals. Real world examples.

She is Asian, and Asians seem to have done quite well under that white power dynamic. Considering that Asians in the US outdo Whites is almost every metric, what happened there? Where is her anger coming from considering her group is dominant in every way other than population size?

It might shock you to know that some of people that benefit from an oppressive society disagree with it and criticize it.

 

[fskimospy]

We do, or at least I do. I simply ask that it be consistently applied.

That was a very poor choice of examples as Williamson was not kidding and he has said several times over the years that people who have abortions should be killed. He's straight out advocating for the murder of his fellow citizens for having a medical procedure he disagrees with. They should have found a way to fire him twice.

Also holy shit the anti-choice movement has gone off the rails if they are defending this guy.

 

[fskimospy]

A business can make whatever decision they want. But I would think most business would stay far away from it.

And your twitter link is exactly why I would think a newspaper would stay away. The media is under assault by the alt-right and Drumpf. So lets go hire a person with that kind of twitter past? What could go wrong?

So the media should allow themselves to be intimidated by internet trolls? Absolutely not.

 

[Genx87]

So the media should allow themselves to be intimidated by internet trolls? Absolutely not.

If they desire to deny the trolls ammunition to sway avg people to distrust said media? Probably. There are plenty of candidates out there without said twitter history.

 

[Atreus21]

Oh jesus quit it already with the white persecution - you aren't persecuted.

People mocking racism is not the same thing as racism or anything even remotely close to it. Trying to equate the two is transparently ridiculous and there's no way you actually believe they are the same thing. This is why people think so poorly of conservatives about issues like this, on one hand you claim that actual racists shouldn't be fired because of what they say and then turn around and complain about how people mocking racism aren't fired.

I asked a simple question.

 

[Juiblex]

Sarcastically mimicking someones racism in order to mock them is not in fact equally racist as someone saying it who actually means it. It's not even on the same planet. It's incredible that this would need to be explained.

It's not surprising to me that you are defending her actions. What she was saying is very hateful, mocking/sarcastic or not... Maybe people thought she was not joking. In fact, I'm one of those as well. I don't think anything in her tone indicated sarcasm. She was "lolling" about her comments. That's more patronizing than anything. To me, that means she does in fact mean it. Its the vicious cycle of racism. If we return racism for racism then the cycle is going to go on forever. Same with revenge. Or eye for an eye... Again, I don't see the left calling out their racists, but the left is the first to criticize the right for not calling out theirs. Don't be a hypocrite.

 

[Atreus21]

So the media should allow themselves to be intimidated by internet trolls? Absolutely not.

No, they shouldn't. But you don't seem to mind when conservatives are the ones who get fired for it.

So either abandon the double-standard, or abandon the principle that neither liberals nor conservatives should be fired on this basis.

 

[Juiblex]

Oh jesus quit it already with the white persecution - you aren't persecuted.

People mocking racism is not the same thing as racism or anything even remotely close to it. Trying to equate the two is transparently ridiculous and there's no way you actually believe they are the same thing. This is why people think so poorly of conservatives about issues like this, on one hand you claim that actual racists shouldn't be fired because of what they say and then turn around and complain about how people mocking racism aren't fired.

I know you aren't directing this to me. But you don't get to tell me or anybody else when they feel persecuted. That's up to the individual. Try again.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Even if this woman is not a racist (Which, in general, I don't think she is) She sure seemed to play one on the internet..

Now, she will have to carry this label around with her, because that's the narrative she created and the narrative her detractors will make sure sticks with her. Sorry, this was bad career move and just plain stupid and childish and not very professional for a respected journalist to respond to Twitter trolls in this manner.

Those tweets were on the level of the vomit our president puts out almost daily..stupid

 

[fskimospy]

I know you aren't directing this to me. But you don't get to tell me or anybody else when they feel persecuted. That's up to the individual. Try again.

Whether or not someone FEELS persecuted is of course up to them. Whether or not those feelings are supported by the evidence is not.

 

[Blackjack200]

I know you aren't directing this to me. But you don't get to tell me or anybody else when they feel persecuted. That's up to the individual. Try again.

LMAO

 

[Juiblex]

Whether or not someone FEELS persecuted is of course up to them. Whether or not those feelings are supported by the evidence is not.

Its incredible that you can't seem to figure this out. It doesn't matter if its supported by evidence. Evidence is subjective. I could feel persecuted by anything. Others might tell me I'm being a snowflake. Microaggressions could be persecution, I laugh at those people. What differences does it make regarding who or what? If someone feels persecuted, perception is reality for them.

 

[fskimospy]

No, they shouldn't. But you don't seem to mind when conservatives are the ones who get fired for it.

So either abandon the double-standard, or abandon the principle that neither liberals nor conservatives should be fired on this basis.

Why did you ignore the clear reason it's not a double standard?

 

[Jaskalas]

This is exactly it. Comments about hating white people are harmless since white people are the oppressors, not the oppressed. All these Very Concerned people should just be ignored. That they're not shows just how much power right wing extremists have.

Hating white people is harmless?

It is?

Not in my opinion. You think hating a race of people is harmless? Or were you being sarcastic?

They are being dead serious.
Recall this topic: Does racism require ones ethnicity to possess collective power

They want to generalize and stereotype and pretend all people of a color share in the same "power". As if no one white could be poor, a victim of violence, or a target of hate. Or that hate is somehow justified to balancing some imaginary scale. As if vengeance is just. They forego recognizing crimes against people and instead speak of race. That is how you know racism is alive, for those keeping it close to their hearts and their reasoning. For those who excuse hateful actions or hateful words.

No matter who, what, or why, caring about the color of one's skin is racism. Whether it be by action or by word.

There are countless examples of people having a history, of saying racist things and being made outcast by society. Oh, she has an excuse. And Roseanne was on or off her meds or something. Of course people have an excuse. And racists will... believe them? Go ahead and try to post satirical things about people of color. Excuses do not fly around here, never have. That is how the world works, we should all be treated equally, to live by that same standard.

As I said before... forgiveness is in the cards. Particularly when one is willing to repent. Make an excuse? Meh. Disavow those actions or words? Good. Never happens again? Even better. If she can let go of her hate, then we can let go of hating her. A reciprocal lesson of live and let live that many people fail to grasp the value of. Many want to use this woman to stir a pot. To encourage hating others. That is worse than any words she could have said. If she can do better, then we can do better. America needs to learn how to be better, together.

We cannot afford to let our divisions to eat us alive.

 

[Juiblex]

LMAO

"HAHAHA !! LOOK AT THIS GUY HES SO STOOOPID!"

 

[fskimospy]

Its incredible that you can't seem to figure this out. It doesn't matter if its supported by evidence. Evidence is subjective. I could feel persecuted by anything. Others might tell me I'm being a snowflake. Microaggressions could be persecution, I laugh at those people. What differences does it make regarding who or what? If someone feels persecuted, perception is reality for them.

Of course it matters if it's supported by evidence. It's why we medicate people who believe they are being persecuted by space aliens and why we accommodate and protect victims of the KKK. One is supported by evidence and the other is not.

You did not think this through, hahaha.

 

[Blackjack200]

"HAHAHA !! LOOK AT THIS GUY HES SO STOOOPID!"

I'm feeling oppressed right now.

 

[Blackjack200]

They are being dead serious.
Recall this topic: Does racism require ones ethnicity to possess collective power

They want to generalize and stereotype and pretend all people of a color share in the same "power". As if no one white could be poor, a victim of violence, or a target of hate. Or that hate is somehow justified to balancing some imaginary scale. As if vengeance is just. They forego recognizing crimes against people and instead speak of race. That is how you know racism is alive, for those keeping it close to their hearts and their reasoning. For those who excuse hateful actions or hateful words.

No matter who, what, or why, caring about the color of one's skin is racism. Whether it be by action or by word.

There are countless examples of people having a history, of saying racist things and being made outcast by society. Oh, she has an excuse. And Roseanne was on or off her meds or something. Of course people have an excuse. And racists will... believe them? Go ahead and try to post satirical things about people of color. Excuses do not fly around here, never have. That is how the world works, we should all be treated equally, to live by that same standard.

As I said before... forgiveness is in the cards. Particularly when one is willing to repent. Make an excuse? Meh. Disavow those actions or words? Good. Never happens again? Even better. If she can let go of her hate, then we can let go of hating her. A reciprocal lesson of live and let live that many people fail to grasp the value of. Many want to use this woman to stir a pot. To encourage hating others. That is worse than any words she could have said. If she can do better, then we can do better. America needs to learn how to be better, together.

We cannot afford to let our divisions to eat us alive.

Can you provide an example of systemic oppression of white people?

 

[HomerJS]

Both are equally racist, and Fox News is accurate. You could say they are not reporting fair journalism for not talking about the original tweet, but that's Journalism. So with that said, are you going to call her out or are you going to defend her?

Think about what you just said. Not reporting the entire story is journalism. But again its Fox.

My answer to what she said is that is wasn't the smartest thing to do if you are going to have a career in journalism.

If a slave when back in his quarters referred to his slave owner as a (fill in the blank white pejorative) I wouldn't call him racist I would call him angry.

 

[Jaskalas]

Can you provide an example of systemic oppression of white people?

Why even ask that?

Poverty, violence, and hatred do not need to be systemic to be wrong. There are no scales to weigh or balance through ignoring or harming the majority. Hatred is a contagion. It spreads. The worst thing you can do is give it an inch. To dismiss the crimes against individuals because you've stereotyped them. For when a person has been wronged they will seek vengeance. The cycle of violence is unending if we let it be. Do not trap yourself into thinking it is justified. Too many people do that as it is.

Your question is wrong because it is beside the point. It does not matter who the majority or minority are. We do not end racism if we keep racist terms. Think about what it means to even consider the balance on that scale.

 

[brycejones]

Its incredible that you can't seem to figure this out. It doesn't matter if its supported by evidence. Evidence is subjective. I could feel persecuted by anything. Others might tell me I'm being a snowflake. Microaggressions could be persecution, I laugh at those people. What differences does it make regarding who or what? If someone feels persecuted, perception is reality for them.

Damn all you need to do is mention virtue signaling and you've hit the alt-right trifecta.

Do you need a safe space and blanky now?

 

[Blackjack200]

Why even ask that?

Poverty, violence, and hatred do not need to be systemic to be wrong. There are no scales to weigh or balance through ignoring or harming the majority. Hatred is a contagion. It spreads. The worst thing you can do is give it an inch. To dismiss the crimes against individuals because you've stereotyped them. For when a person has been wronged they will seek vengeance. The cycle of violence is unending if we let it be. Do not trap yourself into thinking it is justified. Too many people do that as it is.

Your question is wrong because it is beside the point. It does not matter who the majority or minority are. We do not end racism if we keep racist terms. Think about what it means to even consider the balance on that scale.

Your aimless rants are getting really tedious. Please give me a real world example of literally anything you're talking about.