Recall Republican Wisconsin Governor Walker status update thread

[michal1980]

Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that recalling a governor for passing unpopular legislation is 'abusing' the system? Nothing in the WI constitution speaks to how its recall provision should be used, and those in power at the time of its writing were most certainly advocates of using it for just such a purpose.

Also, there is no federal recall provision, therefore Obama cannot be recalled. Wisconsin's logic does not mean 'invent laws that don't exist'.

EDIT: Walker knew the stakes before he signed that legislation. Now he needs to take personal responsibility for the consequences of it.

Its abusing the system, based on the the fact that it wasn't done before, and on the fact that its only being done because the unions are not happy.

 

[Ausm]

I am living in reality. Your living in who knows where. And you want to take the clock back to a time when unions ran the show.

You really don't get the big picture do you? Oh well, You demonize Unions yet enjoy the benefits in your own job which only came about because of Unions.

I posted tons of evidence to support this about 4 pages back back i don't you will take the time to educate yourself.

Republican LOVE low information sheep like yourself...do yourself a favor get educated and stop voting against your best interests.

 

[Ausm]

Its abusing the system, based on the the fact that it wasn't done before, and on the fact that its only being done because the unions are not happy.

We successfully recalled 2 Republicans last summer what do you mean?

 

[fskimospy]

Its abusing the system, based on the the fact that it wasn't done before, and on the fact that its only being done because the unions are not happy.

Something is not an abuse based on how frequently it is done, that's illogical. Your reasons for why it is being done are unsupported by facts. If Walker wasn't quite unpopular with people in Wisconsin who aren't in unions as well, this could not be done. Even if it were that a powerful constituency wanted him gone, the people still need to vote on it. If they want him gone, he's gone.

Those are the rules of the game, and they've been there a long time. If you don't like them, change them. Don't complain after the fact.

 

[Illusio]

Scroll up and checkout the thread I posted for the reasons for Recall in Wisconsin. Whether you like it or not Wisconsin voters are exercising their legal voter rights in our State which are clearly spelled out in Wisconsin's Constitution.

I never said they weren't within their rights. Or that what they are doing is illegal. They absolutely can do it.

In my opinion (which is pretty much what all political discussions boil down too) they are abusing a system that's in place to remove people that shouldn't be in office.

Yes Wisconsin can legally recall walker. Should they? No.

The legislation that has been passed is not popular with everyone. But it's very far from criminal. It has tons of opponents, but also tons of supporters.

To say that they are using this recall process for any other reason than an end around to the election results from a year ago is just silly. If you want to get an example of reasons you should recall your Governor, just visit your neighbor to the south.

 

[Ausm]

I never said they weren't within their rights. Or that what they are doing is illegal. They absolutely can do it.

In my opinion (which is pretty much what all political discussions boil down too) they are abusing a system that's in place to remove people that shouldn't be in office.

Yes Wisconsin can legally recall walker. Should they? No.

The legislation that has been passed is not popular with everyone. But it's very far from criminal. It has tons of opponents, but also tons of supporters.

To say that they are using this recall process for any other reason than an end around to the election results from a year ago is just silly. If you want to get an example of reasons you should recall your Governor, just visit your neighbor to the south.

I respect your opinion but I think Walker is finding out not giving a crap about ramming through EXTREMELY unpopular legislation that he NEVER ran on is going to bite him in the ass.

I could be wrong tho and if that's the case I will vote for a Democrat when his term comes up.

 

[Illusio]

Also, there is no federal recall provision, therefore Obama cannot be recalled. Wisconsin's logic does not mean 'invent laws that don't exist'.

You are missing the point on that one. That was simply a statement to give an example for anyone who is overly partisan from the left.

Starting a recall process because you don't agree with legislation passed is asinine. These aren't 40 years dictatorships. Wait a couple of years and elect someone new.

 

[werepossum]

Isn't more powerful Government ramming extreme Rightwing legislation through that will only benefit the few and not the many?

That assumes that only the few pay taxes or have other issues of interest. To the extent that sweetheart contracts for public unions (above their private sector counterparts) increase public spending and thus raise taxes plus reduce the available amount of spending on other issues, Walker's actions have benefited the many (i.e. everyone not in a public sector union or benefiting from their campaign contributions) over the few (i.e. everyone in a public sector union or benefiting from their campaign contributions.)

If you want a particular river cleaned up, or more money for the poor, or improved state roads, then limiting the public employees' ability to trade political support for better wages and benefits, and requiring them to help fund their health care and retirement as does the average private sector worker whose taxes support them, makes it more likely that those needs can be funded.

 

[fskimospy]

You are missing the point on that one. That was simply a statement to give an example for anyone who is overly partisan from the left.

Starting a recall process because you don't agree with legislation passed is asinine. These aren't 40 years dictatorships. Wait a couple of years and elect someone new.

Why are people acting within the confines of their state constitution 'asinine'? This was precisely one of the reasons recall provisions were created.

 

[drebo]

Doing what's necessary is hardly ever popular. This is the problem with "career politicians." They're more concerned about doing what's best for their career, rather than what's best for their constituents.

This guy may not even be a one-term governer, but what he tried to do was the necessary thing.

 

[fskimospy]

I never said they weren't within their rights. Or that what they are doing is illegal. They absolutely can do it.

In my opinion (which is pretty much what all political discussions boil down too) they are abusing a system that's in place to remove people that shouldn't be in office.

Yes Wisconsin can legally recall walker. Should they? No.

The legislation that has been passed is not popular with everyone. But it's very far from criminal. It has tons of opponents, but also tons of supporters.

To say that they are using this recall process for any other reason than an end around to the election results from a year ago is just silly. If you want to get an example of reasons you should recall your Governor, just visit your neighbor to the south.

Recall provisions are not simply for removing people who have committed criminal acts. Why are you trying to restrict them to that?

 

[Illusio]

This was precisely one of the reasons recall provisions were created.

Source please.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Anything other than Republicans is better.

If you are a fan of higher taxes. Yes.

Absolutely, it has been shown perfectly clear that the rich Republicans that don't pay taxes need to be hit hard with taxes.

I am sure you are one of them.

 

[Illusio]

Recall provisions are not simply for removing people who have committed criminal acts. Why are you trying to restrict them to that?

I never said that was the only reason, I was listing it as a good reason. The only Governor recall in my lifetime has been the former CA Governor who was recalled (i believe) because he ruined the state budget (or something there about, i don't really off the top of my head).

i know many states have recall restrictions that are only for misconduct/corruption while in office or something to that effect. Which, in my opinion, should be the main reason for a recall, not sour grapes.

 

[fskimospy]

Source please.

Sure thing! Here's some interesting quotes from the era by people pushing for the recall provisions that were eventually adopted in many western states from an article in the New England Journal of History on the subject: http://www.iandrinstitute.org/New I...h and History/I&R Studies/Farmer - Recall.pdf

Beard argued that “the principle upon which it [the recall movement] is based is simple, namely, that elected officers are merely the agents of popular will, and that the electors should have an opportunity at all times to pass upon the conduct of their representatives.”

Another one:

Benjamin DeWitt, in his popular 1915 book The Progressive Movement, made the typical progressive argument that the recall was not radical, holding that “the fundamental theory of the recall, far from being either revolutionary or strange, is quite simple and familiar.” DeWitt argued that the recall was related to the parliamentary system where members were elected to terms of a particular length but if the voting public became dissatisfied with Parliament’s performance they 16 could bring pressure for an earlier election.

On another interesting note, it would appear that our good friend Scott Walker himself believes that recalls are justified in the case of someone making bad legislative decisions. Here's a quote from a group he supported back in the 90's:

We are First Breath Alliance, a Wisconsin state-wide, non-profit alliance of independent citizens dedicated to recalling our two pro-abortion U.S. senators, Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl. Feingold and Kohl have consistently voted against the right to life of the unborn. A recall would force a special election which could unseat one or both senators.

 

[michal1980]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Anything other than Republicans is better.



Absolutely, it has been shown perfectly clear that the rich Republicans that don't pay taxes need to be hit hard with taxes.

I am sure you are one of them.

I'm no rich republican. Just a middle class homeowner whose property taxes go up much faster then inflation year after year after year. All because we were forced to pay for Cadillac benefits for public union employees.

 

[Fear No Evil]

It absolutely is sour grapes because they are just recalling every Republican they possibly can. This isn't limited to the Gov. They tried to recall I think 6 senators (Suceeded on 2) and are doing 4 more. Its absurd, but 'legal'. The Republicans may as well do the same thing to the Democrats. If Walker loses, recall the Dem who replaces him in a year. Recall every Democrat in the State Senate every year.. may as well play by the same rules.

Getting 500,000 people to sign a petition against Walker is easy, its the people who didn't vote for him in the election and will gladly sign to get their guy in office. Why wouldn't they? 1 million people voted for the Democrat in Wisconsin's Gov. election. How is getting 500,000 of those people who already don't want him and likely 100's of thousands who didn't even VOTE in the last election somehow indicative of anything?

For the recall process to be meaningful I think it should require 500,000 people who voted in the last election, not simply 500,000 adults. Even though the number should be MUCH higher because 500,000 is absurd when 1 million didn't even vote for him.

So lets just say Walker is recalled.. and the results are 1.4 million who support the Dem and 1 million who support Walker. Why shouldn't the 1 million who voted against the Dem just sign a recall petition and have another election in a year? They only need 700,000 of them to sign it to force it, throw in a few hundred thousand who didn't even vote.. BLAM.. Democrat recalled..

 

[fskimospy]

It absolutely is sour grapes because they are just recalling every Republican they possibly can. This isn't limited to the Gov. They tried to recall I think 6 senators (Suceeded on 2) and are doing 4 more. Its absurd, but 'legal'. The Republicans may as well do the same thing to the Democrats. If Walker loses, recall the Dem who replaces him in a year. Recall every Democrat in the State Senate every year.. may as well play by the same rules.

Getting 500,000 people to sign a petition against Walker is easy, its the people who didn't vote for him in the election and will gladly sign to get their guy in office. Why wouldn't they? 1 million people voted for the Democrat in Wisconsin's Gov. election. How is getting 500,000 of those people who already don't want him and likely 100's of thousands who didn't even VOTE in the last election somehow indicative of anything?

For the recall process to be meaningful I think it should require 500,000 people who voted in the last election, not simply 500,000 adults. Even though the number should be MUCH higher because 500,000 is absurd when 1 million didn't even vote for him.

So lets just say Walker is recalled.. and the results are 1.4 million who support the Dem and 1 million who support Walker. Why shouldn't the 1 million who voted against the Dem just sign a recall petition and have another election in a year? They only need 700,000 of them to sign it to force it, throw in a few hundred thousand who didn't even vote.. BLAM.. Democrat recalled..

 

[dmcowen674]

I'm no rich republican. Just a middle class homeowner whose property taxes go up much faster then inflation year after year after year. All because we were forced to pay for Cadillac benefits for public union employees.

Not true

There is no middle class anymore, you are rich.

Whiny cry baby rich to boot

 

[Ausm]

I'm no rich republican. Just a middle class homeowner whose property taxes go up much faster then inflation year after year after year. All because we were forced to pay for Cadillac benefits for public union employees.

LMAO You really think that's the only reason why your taxes go up???

 

[Ausm]

It absolutely is sour grapes because they are just recalling every Republican they possibly can. This isn't limited to the Gov. They tried to recall I think 6 senators (Suceeded on 2) and are doing 4 more. Its absurd, but 'legal'. The Republicans may as well do the same thing to the Democrats. If Walker loses, recall the Dem who replaces him in a year. Recall every Democrat in the State Senate every year.. may as well play by the same rules.

Getting 500,000 people to sign a petition against Walker is easy, its the people who didn't vote for him in the election and will gladly sign to get their guy in office. Why wouldn't they? 1 million people voted for the Democrat in Wisconsin's Gov. election. How is getting 500,000 of those people who already don't want him and likely 100's of thousands who didn't even VOTE in the last election somehow indicative of anything?

For the recall process to be meaningful I think it should require 500,000 people who voted in the last election, not simply 500,000 adults. Even though the number should be MUCH higher because 500,000 is absurd when 1 million didn't even vote for him.

So lets just say Walker is recalled.. and the results are 1.4 million who support the Dem and 1 million who support Walker. Why shouldn't the 1 million who voted against the Dem just sign a recall petition and have another election in a year? They only need 700,000 of them to sign it to force it, throw in a few hundred thousand who didn't even vote.. BLAM.. Democrat recalled..

If it was legal I rather send them to a different planet but meh.

 

[cybrsage]

Remember folks, Ausm believes unions do not routinely fight for more pay and benefits for their members...

 

[Fear No Evil]

If it was legal I rather send them to a different planet but meh.

Would you kill him if it were legal? 🙄

 

[Ausm]

Let's review some of the reasons why Walker is being recalled:

1) "The Wisconsin Legislature raised taxes more than $5 billion in 2009."

Flat out LIE :http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...ican-lieutenant-governor-candidate-rebecca-k/

2)Walker won't create anywhere near the jobs he predictied even with all the massive tax breaks to big biz:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_c9af610c-fcb7-11e0-a291-001cc4c002e0.html

3)Walker cut 1.85 Billion from Wisconsin school the most in the Nation

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/26/politics/main20074509.shtml

4)Tax cuts to Big Biz which didn't create jobs costs tax payers 117 million dollars.

http://www.fox6now.com/news/politics/witi-20110131-walker-tax-bill,0,6398564.story

5)Cut 500 million from Badger care which puts 30,000 kids off insurance which ultimately people who have insurance will eat these costs.

6)Wisconsin lead the Nation in bleeding jobs in Oct-

http://www.wrn.com/2011/11/state-jobs-loss-leads-nation/

No jobs bill produced by the Repuiblicans

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-polit...s/548-walkers-special-qfaux-jobq-session.html

7)Signed in draconian voter suppression law making it harder for young Democrats to vote-

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/122588869.html

8)Punked Spent 20 minutes on the phone by a fake Koch bro where he reviels a multiState strategy for Union stripping.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/politics/scott-walker-20-minute-prank-call-feb-23-2011

9)Locked down Capital denying citizens their legal right to protest-

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_549b88ea-4359-11e0-bf9e-001cc4c002e0.html

Scroll up I have alot more...

 

[Ausm]

Would you kill him if it were legal? 🙄

Isn't that why your hero pushed through a concealed carry law and also a law to blow away people on your property?