Fern
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I don't know that I do allow myself to be swayed by appearence. The very fact that I'm frequently here at P&N arguing policy etc should, I think, reflect that I'm more concerned with policy than appearence.
IMO appearence does seem to matter. In other posts I've noted we haven't had a bald guy as Pres since the days of TV campaigning.
I honestly believe if Paul had movie-star good looks and a mellowfluos (I have no freakin idea how to spell that word
) voice he'd get a lot more attention. Is that fair? Nope, but that's how it is IMO.So, while I agree it is not factor of *substance*, it is a factor nevertheless (IMO).
Fern
Just because he is religious, doesn't automatically make him a nut.
Shoosh , witch hunt express. I understand being cautious, but ruling out everyone who is "religious", "Texan", "republican", "democrat", "gray haired" or "born sideways" (being facetious here) isn't a fair assessment of someone's character. Actions and words are the heart of the man in which we should be listening to.
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Originally posted by: Fern
I don't know that I do allow myself to be swayed by appearence. The very fact that I'm frequently here at P&N arguing policy etc should, I think, reflect that I'm more concerned with policy than appearence.
IMO appearence does seem to matter. In other posts I've noted we haven't had a bald guy as Pres since the days of TV campaigning.
I honestly believe if Paul had movie-star good looks and a mellowfluos (I have no freakin idea how to spell that word
So, while I agree it is not factor of *substance*, it is a factor nevertheless (IMO).
Fern
Fair enough my green leafed friend
Lemon law
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For all the talk about Texas and the Texas GOP, Ron Paul is from Texas. And the conventional political wisdom is that if you can't carry your State, you can do anything nationally.
And Ron Paul is running for the GOP nomination for President and to do that has to carry the GOP before he can run in November 08. And I will certainly grant that Ron Paul has some interesting libertarian ideals some what at a total variance from other candidates. I will also grant that Ron Paul has a core group of rabid supporters. But having a small group of devoted followers and the right ideas for the time seldom translates into winning primaries, or attracts the funding to be a viable candidate, or propels anyone from being one of the also rans in a larger pack of other candidates.
So far from the polling in the Iowa straw poll, I see little chance of Ron Paul being the man that catches fire. Maybe future events will alter the public perceptions and Ron Paul will be later seen as the man who had it right all along. But when it comes to the elusive area of public perceptions and charisma wishing never makes it so, and most candidates with a rabid following end up being mere flashes in the pan.
But as a registered democrat, I will not have any inputs into that first step of Ron Paul capturing the GOP nomination. But if asked, I would say the chance of Ron Paul going anywhere without United Texas GOP support is somewhere between extremely slim and none. And when it comes to attracting big money donors, Ron Paul's chances are even worse.
But never say never and Ron Paul is making the effort. Ron Paul has the right to express his ideas and adds to the national debate.
And Ron Paul is running for the GOP nomination for President and to do that has to carry the GOP before he can run in November 08. And I will certainly grant that Ron Paul has some interesting libertarian ideals some what at a total variance from other candidates. I will also grant that Ron Paul has a core group of rabid supporters. But having a small group of devoted followers and the right ideas for the time seldom translates into winning primaries, or attracts the funding to be a viable candidate, or propels anyone from being one of the also rans in a larger pack of other candidates.
So far from the polling in the Iowa straw poll, I see little chance of Ron Paul being the man that catches fire. Maybe future events will alter the public perceptions and Ron Paul will be later seen as the man who had it right all along. But when it comes to the elusive area of public perceptions and charisma wishing never makes it so, and most candidates with a rabid following end up being mere flashes in the pan.
But as a registered democrat, I will not have any inputs into that first step of Ron Paul capturing the GOP nomination. But if asked, I would say the chance of Ron Paul going anywhere without United Texas GOP support is somewhere between extremely slim and none. And when it comes to attracting big money donors, Ron Paul's chances are even worse.
But never say never and Ron Paul is making the effort. Ron Paul has the right to express his ideas and adds to the national debate.
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
So you decide on presidency based on location and party but not policy?
It doesn't matter what Dave thinks. I think he's right that, nationally, voters are so turned off by the two words, Texas Republican, that he won't be able to get the votes.
Personally, I've watched Ron Paul long enough to know that I agree with him on some issues, and I disagree with him on others. I disagree with enough of his positions that I won't be voting for him.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
So you decide on presidency based on location and party but not policy?
It doesn't matter what Dave thinks. I think he's right that, nationally, voters are so turned off by the two words, Texas Republican, that he won't be able to get the votes.
Personally, I've watched Ron Paul long enough to know that I agree with him on some issues, and I disagree with him on others. I disagree with enough of his posititions that I won't be voting for him.
Thats what I have a problem with, people prejudging because of origin or party. Voting this way is like discrimination. But I guess thats what freedom is, you can vote how you like no matter what your reason is even if it is a flawed way of determining a candidate.
UberNeuman
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Ron Paul 2007 = Ross Perot 1992.
Both gentleman are/were heartfelt about their ideas and views about the nation and the world, but in reality what they say can't be achieved...
Both gentleman are/were heartfelt about their ideas and views about the nation and the world, but in reality what they say can't be achieved...
The only reason why they can't be achieved is to have a pessimistic attitude about the possibility of change. We the people have the power and its time that we make that clear with our votes!
Bombed? Who says? According to Fox he won that debate. And even if he didn't, he still won 3 out of 4 debates according to polls.
BoomerD
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Hunter wins Texas straw poll
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._pr/texas_straw_poll_2
FORT WORTH, Texas - California congressman Duncan Hunter won Texas' first Republican Party Straw Poll on Saturday in a low-turnout event that lacked the top-tier presidential candidates.
Hunter got 534 votes, or 41 percent of the vote. Former Tennessee senator and actor Fred Thompson, who is expected to announce his candidacy next week but was not at the event, came in second with 266 votes, or nearly 21 percent. Texas congressman Ron Paul came in third with 217 votes, or 17 percent.
Crowd support seemed split between Hunter and Paul, whose supporters waved signs and chanted his name throughout the day. Other candidates attending were Chicago businessman John Cox, who got 10 votes; counterterrorism expert Hugh Cort of Birmingham, Ala., who got three votes; and tool-and-die maker Ray McKinney of Savannah, Ga., with 28 votes.
Each of the other absent but better-known candidates received less than 7 percent of the vote. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee came in fourth with 83 votes; former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani got 78 votes; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received 61 votes; and Arizona Sen. John McCain garnered eight votes.
Others who didn't attend, Kansas senator Sam Brownback and Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo, each received six votes.
The Texas primary is March 4.
The Texas straw poll is only for party activists, and those casting ballots must have been a delegate or alternate to a recent GOP state or national convention. Last month's Iowa Republican straw poll, in which Romney won, was open to any voter who paid for a ticket.
Texas GOP officials had said they expected 2,000 people to vote Saturday, but only 1,300 did."
Seems pretty bad when a Kahleeforneeya Congressman can beat him in his home state...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._pr/texas_straw_poll_2
FORT WORTH, Texas - California congressman Duncan Hunter won Texas' first Republican Party Straw Poll on Saturday in a low-turnout event that lacked the top-tier presidential candidates.
Hunter got 534 votes, or 41 percent of the vote. Former Tennessee senator and actor Fred Thompson, who is expected to announce his candidacy next week but was not at the event, came in second with 266 votes, or nearly 21 percent. Texas congressman Ron Paul came in third with 217 votes, or 17 percent.
Crowd support seemed split between Hunter and Paul, whose supporters waved signs and chanted his name throughout the day. Other candidates attending were Chicago businessman John Cox, who got 10 votes; counterterrorism expert Hugh Cort of Birmingham, Ala., who got three votes; and tool-and-die maker Ray McKinney of Savannah, Ga., with 28 votes.
Each of the other absent but better-known candidates received less than 7 percent of the vote. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee came in fourth with 83 votes; former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani got 78 votes; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received 61 votes; and Arizona Sen. John McCain garnered eight votes.
Others who didn't attend, Kansas senator Sam Brownback and Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo, each received six votes.
The Texas primary is March 4.
The Texas straw poll is only for party activists, and those casting ballots must have been a delegate or alternate to a recent GOP state or national convention. Last month's Iowa Republican straw poll, in which Romney won, was open to any voter who paid for a ticket.
Texas GOP officials had said they expected 2,000 people to vote Saturday, but only 1,300 did."
Seems pretty bad when a Kahleeforneeya Congressman can beat him in his home state...
I like his ideas and agree with much of what he says, but he won't win. He doesn't have the charisma and looks, his ideas will require people to stop relying on the government for everything, and the average American is ignorant and doesn't even understand the issues. The average American votes for the person that promises them and people like them the largest slice of the pie. They don't look at things as a big picture. They look only at their little world, and what the government can do for them. All these problems add up to Ron Paul losing.
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Hunter wins Texas straw poll
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._pr/texas_straw_poll_2
FORT WORTH, Texas - California congressman Duncan Hunter won Texas' first Republican Party Straw Poll on Saturday in a low-turnout event that lacked the top-tier presidential candidates.
Hunter got 534 votes, or 41 percent of the vote. Former Tennessee senator and actor Fred Thompson, who is expected to announce his candidacy next week but was not at the event, came in second with 266 votes, or nearly 21 percent. Texas congressman Ron Paul came in third with 217 votes, or 17 percent.
Crowd support seemed split between Hunter and Paul, whose supporters waved signs and chanted his name throughout the day. Other candidates attending were Chicago businessman John Cox, who got 10 votes; counterterrorism expert Hugh Cort of Birmingham, Ala., who got three votes; and tool-and-die maker Ray McKinney of Savannah, Ga., with 28 votes.
Each of the other absent but better-known candidates received less than 7 percent of the vote. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee came in fourth with 83 votes; former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani got 78 votes; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received 61 votes; and Arizona Sen. John McCain garnered eight votes.
Others who didn't attend, Kansas senator Sam Brownback and Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo, each received six votes.
The Texas primary is March 4.
The Texas straw poll is only for party activists, and those casting ballots must have been a delegate or alternate to a recent GOP state or national convention. Last month's Iowa Republican straw poll, in which Romney won, was open to any voter who paid for a ticket.
Texas GOP officials had said they expected 2,000 people to vote Saturday, but only 1,300 did."
Seems pretty bad when a Kahleeforneeya Congressman can beat him in his home state...
I don't see it as bad, whether its his home state or not, it doesn't matter. Obviously this debate didn't mean much considering Giuliani and a several others didn't even attend.
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He has no real chance, and I'm not sure why people are so entranced with him (other than his candor, which is admittedly refreshing). He is too liberal for today's iteration of the Republican Party (which has drifted from a small-government vision to something closer to fascism IMO), and too pro-life and small-government-oriented to receive the votes of Democrats. He will never get the Republican nomination, and is not a particularly viable third-party candidate either.
a short summation of why I would never, in any circumstances, vote for Ron Paul.
but thanks for posting reasons why he's so completely unelectable.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Except Perot actual had a chance but blew it with his "i'm in...no wait..I'm out...well ok, I'm back in..." routine. He did however have an impact on the election(which Paul will not have) as he split the R party which allowed Clenis to be elected.
To the OP - Perot was 10X the candidate RP is.
:laugh:
Bahahahahahah The guy comes up third place in his home Republican state:
9-2-2007 Ron Paul comes up third in Texas straw poll
California congressman Duncan Hunter won Texas' first Republican Party Straw Poll on Saturday in a low-turnout event that lacked the top-tier presidential candidates.
Hunter got 534 votes, or 41 percent of the vote. Former Tennessee senator and actor Fred Thompson, who is expected to announce his candidacy next week but was not at the event, came in second with 266 votes, or nearly 21 percent. Texas congressman Ron Paul came in third with 217 votes, or 17 percent.
Crowd support seemed split between Hunter and Paul, whose supporters waved signs and chanted his name throughout the day.
The Texas primary is March 4.
The Texas straw poll is only for party activists, and those casting ballots must have been a delegate or alternate to a recent GOP state or national convention. Last month's Iowa Republican straw poll, in which Romney won, was open to any voter who paid for a ticket.
You are more than welcome to choose who you wish for president.
Ron Paul has stated that his stance on the role of government is to give the power to the states and remove the jurisdiction of the federal government which is unconstitutional!
If you had read just a little further he states just that:
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Damm, you're slow today Dave...I posted that little bit last night...
How can the guy & his supporters think he has a chance nationally, when he can't even win in his home state against a bunch of "also-ran's"?
Sorry, I'm a litle tired.
It's hard work battling fraud and deception by the radical righties.
Great job, keep it up :thumbsup:
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