Reason I have a gun

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Once again...sigh...video blocked at work.

Just some dope smoking,gun toting punk bitch,nothing new,you can't swing a crack pipe without hitting one these days....they are running in packs around here like wild dogs...:thumbsdown:

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
What an angry sad soul.
Suppressed childhood anger and growing up in a shitty environment with a lack of meaningful education is part of the problem. Before you all call me a bleeding heart liberal, I agree fully with the OP and think this individual deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison..... But until society becomes more accountable, NOT THROUGH government but through the actions of parents and communities, these types of demented, scarred people will continue to kill and rob innocent victims.

Again, why couldn't this guy just start walking (earlier in life) and start a new life somewhere else? I do not blame anyone else but himself.

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: bababooey

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Once again...sigh...video blocked at work.

Just some dope smoking,gun toting punk bitch,nothing new,you can't swing a crack pipe without hitting one these days....they are running in packs around here like wild dogs...:thumbsdown:

Let him decide on this when he gets to watch the video.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
What an angry sad soul.
Suppressed childhood anger and growing up in a shitty environment with a lack of meaningful education is part of the problem. Before you all call me a bleeding heart liberal, I agree fully with the OP and think this individual deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison..... But until society becomes more accountable, NOT THROUGH government but through the actions of parents and communities, these types of demented, scarred people will continue to kill and rob innocent victims.

Again, why couldn't this guy just start walking (earlier in life) and start a new life somewhere else? I do not blame anyone else but himself.

Because children can not choose their parents or their DNA.
Where would he go? To a homeless shelter? I'm not defending the fucker by any means.. But if people are not developed properly at a young age, nurtured by their families, most of them will become very angry adults full of rage and hatred.
I've seen it with my own eyes and its scary to witness.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan
<snip>

So I guess we should sympathize with this guy because of the inner city thug life? Last time I checked, people are not CHAINED to these areas and have the option to leave it and better their life at ANYTIME.

I do not feel sorry for him, but I hope he finds Jesus and comes to terms with what he has done.

Did I excuse what he did? Nope.

I'm trying to understand how he ended up where he is. So tell me, smart guy. When should he have realized there was something better out there for him? When he was 5, just starting grade school? How about 7? 11 - heck, he might be able to get a job then. Oooh, 14, he should know better by 14, and have the strength to leave everything he knows.

Again, and for emphasis, I'm not making excuses for him. I'm examining the conditions that produced him in the hopes some rational discussion could take place. Killing him will NOT make anything better in the long run. He'll be off the streets, but the conditions that produced him will quite likely produce another one of him.

I don't know about you, but when I see a problem, I prefer to focus on the causes rather than the symptom. In this case, once the symptom (the killer) is dealt with, I think the cause needs to be looked at closely.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I'mm all about the old testament......smiting the wicked with reckless abandon

Me, too!

When and how to beat your slaves!

When and how to stone your wife!

Ahhhh, Leviticus, you teach me so much!

 

[zoiks]

Sounds like another excuse to justify yourself to brandish a gun.

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan
<snip>

So I guess we should sympathize with this guy because of the inner city thug life? Last time I checked, people are not CHAINED to these areas and have the option to leave it and better their life at ANYTIME.

I do not feel sorry for him, but I hope he finds Jesus and comes to terms with what he has done.

Did I excuse what he did? Nope.

I'm trying to understand how he ended up where he is. So tell me, smart guy. When should he have realized there was something better out there for him? When he was 5, just starting grade school? How about 7? 11 - heck, he might be able to get a job then. Oooh, 14, he should know better by 14, and have the strength to leave everything he knows.

Again, and for emphasis, I'm not making excuses for him. I'm examining the conditions that produced him in the hopes some rational discussion could take place. Killing him will NOT make anything better in the long run. He'll be off the streets, but the conditions that produced him will quite likely produce another one of him.

I don't know about you, but when I see a problem, I prefer to focus on the causes rather than the symptom. In this case, once the symptom (the killer) is dealt with, I think the cause needs to be looked at closely.

When did you leave home?

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Sounds like another excuse to justify yourself to brandish a gun.

Is that a bad thing?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
When did you leave home?

Looking for pointers?

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
When did you leave home?

Looking for pointers?

No, I really want to know.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan
<snip>

So I guess we should sympathize with this guy because of the inner city thug life? Last time I checked, people are not CHAINED to these areas and have the option to leave it and better their life at ANYTIME.

I do not feel sorry for him, but I hope he finds Jesus and comes to terms with what he has done.

Did I excuse what he did? Nope.

I'm trying to understand how he ended up where he is. So tell me, smart guy. When should he have realized there was something better out there for him? When he was 5, just starting grade school? How about 7? 11 - heck, he might be able to get a job then. Oooh, 14, he should know better by 14, and have the strength to leave everything he knows.

Again, and for emphasis, I'm not making excuses for him. I'm examining the conditions that produced him in the hopes some rational discussion could take place. Killing him will NOT make anything better in the long run. He'll be off the streets, but the conditions that produced him will quite likely produce another one of him.

I don't know about you, but when I see a problem, I prefer to focus on the causes rather than the symptom. In this case, once the symptom (the killer) is dealt with, I think the cause needs to be looked at closely.

When did you leave home?

18. I didn't grow up in that environment.

Care to answer my question? When should he have had his epiphany and left home? 8, perhaps, when you are I were Nintendo-ing and Tom & Jerry-ing away our days?

 

[kevman]

If that was my family that were victims, the only way I could ever ever ever be ok is by getting revenge against that A-hole's family. Its a horrible thought, but I don't know how the hell else i could keep my sanity. I really feel bad for the family.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
When did you leave home?

Looking for pointers?

No, I really want to know.

How to leave home? Just do it, as soon as you're finished polishing your piece.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: kevman
If that was my family that were victims, the only way I could ever ever ever be ok is by getting revenge against that A-hole's family. Its a horrible thought, but I don't know how the hell else i could keep my sanity. I really feel bad for the family.

What an idiotic thing to think. Well, he pulled the trigger, so I'm going to kill his mom!
:disgust:

Edit: Let's extend that. How far out on his family tree would you go? First cousins? Second cousins? How about people only related by marriage?

When you're done, would you expect retribution on your family from his? Hooray for a cycle of violence!

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: rasczak
It's sad. I understand that what he did was despicable, but tbh from the video it looked like he was fronting. Acting hardcore. He looked like he wanted to be remorseful but he didn't want to look soft. I just hope that before he fries, he can find the strength to be remorseful and say he was sorry for what he had done.

Agreed but he definitely does not deserve an easy clean death.

The chair is far from an easy, clean death imo. He's in Texas as well. He's gonna be hurtin when they fry him up.

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan
<snip>

So I guess we should sympathize with this guy because of the inner city thug life? Last time I checked, people are not CHAINED to these areas and have the option to leave it and better their life at ANYTIME.

I do not feel sorry for him, but I hope he finds Jesus and comes to terms with what he has done.

Did I excuse what he did? Nope.

I'm trying to understand how he ended up where he is. So tell me, smart guy. When should he have realized there was something better out there for him? When he was 5, just starting grade school? How about 7? 11 - heck, he might be able to get a job then. Oooh, 14, he should know better by 14, and have the strength to leave everything he knows.

Again, and for emphasis, I'm not making excuses for him. I'm examining the conditions that produced him in the hopes some rational discussion could take place. Killing him will NOT make anything better in the long run. He'll be off the streets, but the conditions that produced him will quite likely produce another one of him.

I don't know about you, but when I see a problem, I prefer to focus on the causes rather than the symptom. In this case, once the symptom (the killer) is dealt with, I think the cause needs to be looked at closely.

When did you leave home?

18. I didn't grow up in that environment.

Care to answer my question? When should he have had his epiphany and left home? 8, perhaps, when you are I were Nintendo-ing and Tom & Jerry-ing away our days?

Doesn't matter if you leave at 15 or 25, you have the choice my friend. No, I don't think the guy should have left at 8 years of age, that's insane. Parents are parents, and there are plenty of people in this world who had shitty parents who grew up to be very respectable. There are ALSO plenty of good parents who's child made bad decisions - decisions they could have avoided in their life.

I think you are now going to say it's my fault that this guy killed two people.


You are putting words in my mouth.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan
<snip>

So I guess we should sympathize with this guy because of the inner city thug life? Last time I checked, people are not CHAINED to these areas and have the option to leave it and better their life at ANYTIME.

I do not feel sorry for him, but I hope he finds Jesus and comes to terms with what he has done.

Did I excuse what he did? Nope.

I'm trying to understand how he ended up where he is. So tell me, smart guy. When should he have realized there was something better out there for him? When he was 5, just starting grade school? How about 7? 11 - heck, he might be able to get a job then. Oooh, 14, he should know better by 14, and have the strength to leave everything he knows.

Again, and for emphasis, I'm not making excuses for him. I'm examining the conditions that produced him in the hopes some rational discussion could take place. Killing him will NOT make anything better in the long run. He'll be off the streets, but the conditions that produced him will quite likely produce another one of him.

I don't know about you, but when I see a problem, I prefer to focus on the causes rather than the symptom. In this case, once the symptom (the killer) is dealt with, I think the cause needs to be looked at closely.

When did you leave home?

18. I didn't grow up in that environment.

Care to answer my question? When should he have had his epiphany and left home? 8, perhaps, when you are I were Nintendo-ing and Tom & Jerry-ing away our days?

Doesn't matter if you leave at 15 or 25, you have the choice my friend. No, I don't think the guy should have left at 8 years of age, that's insane. Parents are parents, and there are plenty of people in this world who had shitty parents who grew up to be very respectable.

You are putting words in my mouth.

I'm not doing anything of the sort. You suggested he had nothing chaining him to this environment, and I proposed that he rather did. I'm asking when he should have had the mental and emotional stamina to realize that he's in a bad environment and he has to get out.

Yes, plenty of people have shitty parents and grow up to be respectable adults. I'd suggest to you that those people had other role models, be they a priest, teacher, neighbor - someone that showed them how to be that respectable adult. The reason I've mentioned his community, not just his family, having some responsibility here, is because apparently noone showed him how to grow up as a respectable adult. He was left to run with thugs, and with thugs as role models he grew up to be a thug.

That might not be the case - he MIGHT just be a bad seed. I really don't think so.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Every American should own a gun. The police can't protect you from shit heads like this guy.

You are a moron.

Gun accidents in America >>>> serial killers

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
I think you are now going to say it's my fault that this guy killed two people.
You are putting words in my mouth.

Now who's putting words in mouths?

I'm not implying YOU had anything to do with him killing anyone. Any more than I do, at least. Personally, I'm guilty of knowing there's an environment like this in my own city and not doing anything about it. I've got lots of reasons for not helping the situation in any way, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm not helping it. I'm guilty of being apathetic, and busy, and scared, and lazy.

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life

Originally posted by: rivan
<snip>

So I guess we should sympathize with this guy because of the inner city thug life? Last time I checked, people are not CHAINED to these areas and have the option to leave it and better their life at ANYTIME.

I do not feel sorry for him, but I hope he finds Jesus and comes to terms with what he has done.

Did I excuse what he did? Nope.

I'm trying to understand how he ended up where he is. So tell me, smart guy. When should he have realized there was something better out there for him? When he was 5, just starting grade school? How about 7? 11 - heck, he might be able to get a job then. Oooh, 14, he should know better by 14, and have the strength to leave everything he knows.

Again, and for emphasis, I'm not making excuses for him. I'm examining the conditions that produced him in the hopes some rational discussion could take place. Killing him will NOT make anything better in the long run. He'll be off the streets, but the conditions that produced him will quite likely produce another one of him.

I don't know about you, but when I see a problem, I prefer to focus on the causes rather than the symptom. In this case, once the symptom (the killer) is dealt with, I think the cause needs to be looked at closely.

When did you leave home?

18. I didn't grow up in that environment.

Care to answer my question? When should he have had his epiphany and left home? 8, perhaps, when you are I were Nintendo-ing and Tom & Jerry-ing away our days?

Doesn't matter if you leave at 15 or 25, you have the choice my friend. No, I don't think the guy should have left at 8 years of age, that's insane. Parents are parents, and there are plenty of people in this world who had shitty parents who grew up to be very respectable. There are ALSO plenty of good parents who's child made bad decisions - decisions they could have avoided in their life.

I think you are now going to say it's my fault that this guy killed two people.


You are putting words in my mouth.

Your choices are steal a car or sell drugs or join a gang or be beat up or even killed. You have no other choice. What would you choose? For most kids in that kind of envorinment, that's all they have and all they know. Teachers can only do so much trying to expand their minds and show them possibilites, but you have to realize that the life they lead outside of school is very different. All they see is death, drugs and theft giving them a way "out" or "up" The rules of the streets. It's not easy to make a choice you really don't have because you've been indoctrinated into a life of crime just by living in that neighborhood. Poverty stricken areas have always attracted the bad element because that's where it's easiest to control them. You let them run around and do as they please because it's not hurting the richer folk. You don't fix that because that's where you want to keep them in the eyes of local, state and federal gov.

No way does this forgive their behavior but please try to understand the point that we were trying to make as well.

 

[Svnla]

He says he only got $2 from the murder victims.

http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...slayings.329e7ca2.html

 

[RightIsWrong]

I'm almost 100% against the death penalty....

But anyone that says "You know what I'm sayin'" that much in a 5 minute span needs a few whacks upside the skull.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Every American licensed to handle one should own a gun. The police can't protect you from shit heads like this guy.

Fixed.

I don't trust the average homeowner with a gun let alone some pent up wackjob who's just waiting for one little thing to set him off.

 

[StarsFan4Life]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Every American should own a gun. The police can't protect you from shit heads like this guy.

You are a moron.

Gun accidents in America >>>> serial killers

I am arguing with a brick wall.

If you feel guilty, do something about it. I help people who help people, not people who expect things to be given to them their whole life. People in these environments need to help themselves before anyone can come in and "save the day". Grow up Peter Pan. Everyone has a choice, and this guy did too. You heard him say this was his first shooting, and like a previous poster said - all for $2 and a car.