Really? Redneck Day is offensive...to African-Americans...In Arizona?

[TheSiege]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/01/schools-redneck-day-draws-objections/2128347/

I was expecting maybe some white people being offended because of the stereotype involved, and even then I don't think its offensive. But come on crying because someone was wearing a confederate flag bandana?

I am as liberal as they come and even I think its ridiculous, if America, and the African-American society in general want to move past slavery its time we stop associating fashion to it. Next thing you know a southern draw and owning a cotton plantation is going to be considered insensitive and offensive.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Ohhh boy, we better not offend black people!


White people, ok! Black people, RUN JESSIE JACKSON IS COMING!




And people wonder why racism still exists lulz :awe:

 

[PokerGuy]

More PC whining by overly sensitive idiots who think they have a right to not ever have to see or hear anything they don't like. Morons.

 

[xBiffx]

I don't know why the Confederate Flag is so immediately offensive to a lot of people. Its not like it has a Swastika on it or anything. People love to ASSume that those who display it are automatically racist. Too many people drank the civil war was all about slavery Kool-aid. Just stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know why the Confederate Flag is so immediately offensive to a lot of people. Its not like it has a Swastika on it or anything. People love to ASSume that those who display it are automatically racist. Just stupid.

The Confederate Flag is an explicit symbol of a state created for the purpose of perpetuating race based enslavement.

Not everyone who displays it is racist, some are just ignorant of its historical meaning.

 

[xBiffx]

The Confederate Flag is an explicit symbol of a state created for the purpose of perpetuating race based enslavement.

No it isn't. Its a symbol of a group of states that had the idea that state's rights should come ahead of the federal government's. The key reason for forming the CSA wasn't slavery. It was over session and whether or not it was legal. It had nothing to do with race. Plenty of white slaves existed at the time.

Keep downing Kool-aide like its beer at a frat party.

 

[fskimospy]

No it isn't. Its a symbol of a group of states that had the idea that state's rights should come ahead of the federal government's. The key reason for forming the CSA wasn't slavery. It was over session and whether or not it was legal. It had nothing to do with race. Plenty of white slaves existed at the time.

Keep downing Kool-aide like its beer at a frat party.

lol. It was definitely about state's rights... it was just about the state's right to own slaves. I've got an idea, let's ask the seceding states what they thought the key reason for forming the CSA was:

South Carolina description of the causes of secession:
http://eweb.furman.edu/~benson/docs/decl-sc.htm

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution....[bitching about specific anti-slavery actions omitted] Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

If you want me to go quote the other seceding states I can do that too. Slavery was the reason. Full stop.

 

[Jimzz]

I don't know why the Confederate Flag is so immediately offensive to a lot of people. Its not like it has a Swastika on it or anything. People love to ASSume that those who display it are automatically racist. Too many people drank the civil war was all about slavery Kool-aid. Just stupid.

I grew up in the south, every person I ever meet that displayed the Confederate Flag was a hugh racist. I tried and quiz them on the confederate and most did not know anything. It was just an excuse for their blatant racism.

 

[kage69]

I think any black person incensed with rednecks taking pride in being rednecks needs to get the fuck over it and get on with their life. Having said that I can't fault them for being offended by the Confederate flag. There is no reason redneck culture has to involve Civil War era firebrand issues, and like it or not Confederates fought to preserve slavery.

No amount of "heritage not hate" is going to change that.

 

[Mursilis]

lol. It was definitely about state's rights... it was just about the state's right to own slaves. I've got an idea, let's ask the seceding states what they thought the key reason for forming the CSA was:

South Carolina description of the causes of secession:
http://eweb.furman.edu/~benson/docs/decl-sc.htm



If you want me to go quote the other seceding states I can do that too. Slavery was the reason. Full stop.

You're correct that the states in the CSA were using the "state's rights" rallying cry to protect slavery, so does that make state's rights an evil cause? I would say no; it's not much different than neo-Nazis or the Klan hiding behind the First Amendment to spread their hate. We may not like their message, but we're not going to throw out the First just because some groups we don't like are also protected by it. Heck, several states have already begun thumbing their nose at the Feds with the whole medical MJ issue, and I think that's generally a good thing (so far - I could be proven wrong in the future).

 

[kage69]

I grew up in the south, every person I ever meet that displayed the Confederate Flag was a hugh racist. I tried and quiz them on the confederate and most did not know anything. It was just an excuse for their blatant racism.

Sadly, this has been my experience too. When I lived in Florida every single guy I knew who had that flag on his car or truck was a racist prick.

 

[Oyeve]

I find calling the poepl african-americans offensive.

 

[Moonbeam]

The confederate flag? Isn't that America's swastika and symbol of shame and defeat? Surely it would only be worn as a badge of honor by America's most backward and primitive, the folk who didn't learn and evolve, who preserve in their culture all the resentment and self-loathing that make one man want to enslave others? These are the folk who refuse to admit they are filth. Too bad, too, because it's that attitude and nothing more that actually makes them filthy. Piss on the confederate flag and those who deny their own sin. One might ask that the world throw up in their faces, but it always will anyway. The South used to be home to immense evil and the pride of seemingly millions of of assholes alive in the present and free of that evil, can't admit to themselves the truth of their accidental identity because they lack the IQ required to see their is no stain that redounds to them. The son is not guilty of the father's sins until he starts to think like he did. Cull the evil of the past and preserve the good. Then you can have real pride, not the brain dead pride represented by the confederate flag.

 

[fskimospy]

You're correct that the states in the CSA were using the "state's rights" rallying cry to protect slavery, so does that make state's rights an evil cause? I would say no; it's not much different than neo-Nazis or the Klan hiding behind the First Amendment to spread their hate. We may not like their message, but we're not going to throw out the First just because some groups we don't like are also protected by it. Heck, several states have already begun thumbing their nose at the Feds with the whole medical MJ issue, and I think that's generally a good thing (so far - I could be proven wrong in the future).

I definitely agree with you. State's rights is not inherently bad, in many cases it is quite positive. In the case of the Confederacy however, they were being used to an evil purpose. I understand why in the South people would want to change the argument away from slavery and more to tariffs and state's rights as the past is really, really shameful.

There has been a concerted effort in the last 100 years or so by groups such as the United Daughters of the Confederacy to whitewash the racial and slavery aspects of the Confederacy away. If you read not just contemporary writing from the Civil War era, but the explicit statements of the seceding states themselves it is absolutely clear that the Civil War was about slavery more than any other reason.

 

[Linflas]

In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII)

 

[Jaskalas]

If you read not just contemporary writing from the Civil War era, but the explicit statements...

Lincoln:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it...

The primary issue was secession. That is why blood was spilled.

 

[fskimospy]

Lincoln:

The primary issue was secession. That is why blood was spilled.

And slavery was the reason for secession, as already shown.

 

[chimaxi83]

Fuck this political correct bullshit. How about this, I don't like the bullshit gangster rap auditory diarrhea that is their proud production. Therefore, take it off the radio. It offends me.

Confederate flag doesn't equal racism. Get out from under your rock, dumbasses.

 

[Atreus21]

This will now become a debate over whether or not the civil war was about slavery.

 

[nextJin]

It has more to do with the economy of the South imo, after the civil war they were devastated and as far as I can tell never recovered.

Slavery sure, but had the south had a way to farm without slaves a lot of things would have been different in the history books.

 

[SheHateMe]

....and why would a school have a "Redneck" Day?


That's new.

 

[fskimospy]

This will now become a debate over whether or not the civil war was about slavery.

Only if stupid or poorly educated people try to deny pretty obvious historical fact.

The fact remains that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of a race based slave state. I think that if you're a member of the race that state was built to perpetuate the enslavement of, you have a legitimate reason to be angry when someone waves its flag in your face.

 

[xBiffx]

And slavery was the reason for secession, as already shown.

Sorry, you are just wrong. The primary reason was economics. The South had all the Tobacco and Cotton. Products the north couldn't live without. The South wanted to benefit directly from exporting those products to Europe and not having to pay high tarrifs on imports that the North enforced.

Those tarrifs forced the South into having to buy more expensive products from the North rather than benefit from their own trade by making imported products cheaper because they wouldn't be paying a tarrif to the government.

Session was all about economics.

Done talking about off topic shit now.

 

[Moonbeam]

The best part of the OP's link, however, was this:

"This week in Kent, Wash., Sunnycrest Elementary School had scheduled "White Trash Wednesday," in which barbecue would be served on trash-can lids. The event was canceled Tuesday after parents objected."

White people have feelings too.

 

[thraashman]

No it isn't. Its a symbol of a group of states that had the idea that state's rights should come ahead of the federal government's. The key reason for forming the CSA wasn't slavery. It was over session and whether or not it was legal. It had nothing to do with race. Plenty of white slaves existed at the time.

Keep downing Kool-aide like its beer at a frat party.

Even if you want to claim that slavery wasn't the reason for secession, the southern flag intentionally became a symbol of racism in the 50's when many southern states included it in their state flags when it wasn't already with the specific intent of protesting the civil rights movement. Just like how the swastika wasn't an offensive symbol until the Nazis made it such.

Sorry, you are just wrong. The primary reason was economics. The South had all the Tobacco and Cotton. Products the north couldn't live without. The South wanted to benefit directly from exporting those products to Europe and not having to pay high tarrifs on imports that the North enforced.

Those tarrifs forced the South into having to buy more expensive products from the North rather than benefit from their own trade by making imported products cheaper because they wouldn't be paying a tarrif to the government.

Session was all about economics.

Done talking about off topic shit now.

So even though you've been shown that the states that seceeded themselves claimed slavery was a prime reason, you're claiming it wasn't slavery? That's ... kinda dumb. I was born and raised in Georgia. They try REAL hard down here to convince us that slavery wasn't the reason for secession. It takes a bit of effort to overcome the racist brain washing, but it can be done.