Really, I don't see where Apple goes from here

micrometers

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iPhone 4S and the ipad 3 probably will be the last time that Apple convincingly has a lead over android. Especially with smartphones showing up on prepaid networks, the cost difference will be noticeable. My brother for instance got a smartphone on Virgin mobile. The android phone was like $300 cheaper than the iPhone.

Macbook air was revolutionary, but again, where do you go from there? You can't really go any thinner, and windows ultrabooks are now convincingly cheaper + better lcd screens.

The prototypes for the iphone 5 look kinda lackluster so far. And the redesigned dock connector might actually be a big enough deal to turn people off of the typical apple upgrade cycle.

Also, it seems like since Steve passed away, leaks have gotten worse and worse for apple.
 

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Macbook Air wasn't really revolutionary, just did things well (especially the battery life in that form factor). The original iPhone *was* revolutionary in how smooth it was in performance (and accompanied by a simple, consistent UI)

It will be interesting to see what existing category of device they can reinvent and "revolutionalize" -- it's usually more like perfecting things at this point. [smartphone, already existed; thin laptops, already existed; tablets, already existed]

The current legal environment should make it more difficult as well.
 

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I upgraded from a thinkpad to the macbook air and the macbook air was truly revolutionary compared to the thinkpad. Booted up much faster, far more responsive, lighter and less heat.

you're right though. Not much revolutionary space left. The iPhone pioneered a new form factor, but android right now has a better web browser + better voice recognition + all major apps.
 

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If you're looking at only the hardware, you've basically missed the point.
 

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If you're looking at only the hardware, you've basically missed the point.

The OS is just a wrapping layer around applications, and once you get past the learning curve for a particular application it becomes second nature.
 

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The OS is just a wrapping layer around applications, and once you get past the learning curve for a particular application it becomes second nature.

Yes but that doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement. Do you have cable right now? Can you honestly say that the current program guide system and everything else is top notch and cannot be improved any further?
 

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Yes but that doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement. Do you have cable right now? Can you honestly say that the current program guide system and everything else is top notch and cannot be improved any further?

I actually don't watch much television because of this. Multiple channels don't "flip" as fast as they did in analog, and there's no real way to text search for channels.

It's actually god-awful now that I think about it.
 

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I actually don't watch much television because of this. Multiple channels don't "flip" as fast as they did in analog, and there's no real way to text search for channels.

It's actually god-awful now that I think about it.

I agree with this. Every DVR box I have had from Time Warner has been an absolute piece of junk. It will be interesting to see what Apple, a company very much invested in end user experience, can do with TV. The only issue I see is that everything the major service providers have right now is extremely proprietary. I can't use a non TW box right now even if such a thing was available. I'm wondering how Apple is going to overcome this. Unless they plan on becoming a provider themselves that is.
 

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I agree with this. Every DVR box I have had from Time Warner has been an absolute piece of junk. It will be interesting to see what Apple, a company very much invested in end user experience, can do with TV. The only issue I see is that everything the major service providers have right now is extremely proprietary. I can't use a non TW box right now even if such a thing was available. I'm wondering how Apple is going to overcome this. Unless they plan on becoming a provider themselves that is.

You can't use a Tivo? I thought that was the whole point of the Tivo.

But yes, I think that if anyone could come in and make TV not suck (I hadn't watched TV for basically 4 years and then tried to recently, it was... painful) it would be Apple.
 

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You can't use a Tivo? I thought that was the whole point of the Tivo.

But yes, I think that if anyone could come in and make TV not suck (I hadn't watched TV for basically 4 years and then tried to recently, it was... painful) it would be Apple.

I am almost positive that Tivo only works with satellite providers. I will check into it again to make sure.

**Edit : It appears that Tivo does now work with Time Warner. Thanks for the tip, I might just have to place an order this weekend. The boxes TW has are so bad it is almost funny. Not quite, but almost. **
 
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There's plenty of improvements that can be made. Higher resolution displays, lower power displays, longer battery life, thinner and lighter devices, more powerful processors, more powerful graphics, etc.

Apple's just going to keep making great products, and they're going to keep selling. I'm looking forward to the iPhone 5 and iPad 4, we should see dual-core A15's or quad-core A9's, and perhaps better graphics too. Hopefully IGZO displays, and less weight.
 

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I am almost positive that Tivo only works with satellite providers. I will check into it again to make sure.

**Edit : It appears that Tivo does now work with Time Warner. Thanks for the tip, I might just have to place an order this weekend. The boxes TW has are so bad it is almost funny. Not quite, but almost. **

The Tivo works with any cable company that offers a multi-stream cable card, which by law, all cable companies have to support.
 

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Just touched an iPhone for the first time friday, i got two of them (a 3Gs and a 4s) handed to me at work for testing / debugging of iOS5 apps; had to set up accounts on every single app - the Apple ID account, market account, games account, iTunes ID, etc ... my first thought was "wow, if you buy this £400 phone, you better have another couple hundred just to make it run".

OTOH my £50 / free skype always / free apps Android isn't nearly as good, but well worth the savings; i simply cannot see myself spending 20% of my income on phone bills.
 

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Just touched an iPhone for the first time friday, i got two of them (a 3Gs and a 4s) handed to me at work for testing / debugging of iOS5 apps; had to set up accounts on every single app - the Apple ID account, market account, games account, iTunes ID, etc ... my first thought was "wow, if you buy this £400 phone, you better have another couple hundred just to make it run".

OTOH my £50 / free skype always / free apps Android isn't nearly as good, but well worth the savings; i simply cannot see myself spending 20% of my income on phone bills.

Um, how little do you make that the phone bill is 20% of your income? Listen, I don't make a whole lot of money, but my phone bill isn't 20%.
 

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Just touched an iPhone for the first time friday, i got two of them (a 3Gs and a 4s) handed to me at work for testing / debugging of iOS5 apps; had to set up accounts on every single app - the Apple ID account, market account, games account, iTunes ID, etc ... my first thought was "wow, if you buy this £400 phone, you better have another couple hundred just to make it run".

OTOH my £50 / free skype always / free apps Android isn't nearly as good, but well worth the savings; i simply cannot see myself spending 20% of my income on phone bills.

All of those accounts are free, at least in the US. The only mandatory out-of-pocket costs with the iPhone are 1) buying the phone and 2) paying the carrier's monthly fees. You never have to buy a thing through iTunes. There are a ton of free apps on iTunes, and the ones that cost money are usually very cheap and I don't mind paying the developers to build them.
 

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you know each time an app loads an ad, they take that data from your account? and if you happen to be out of data, you can easily spend ten bux in a day on f* Angry birds.
anyway, sure you can never touch the phone and it won't cost you; but it's kind of hard to have iTunes in your hand .. and never buy anything ...
 
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you know each time an app loads an ad, they take that data from your account? and if you happen to be out of data, you can easily spend ten bux in a day on f* Angry birds.

So don't do that. If you turn off data, it caches old ads. I've been seeing the same proxy server error (Angry Birds at work) for three days.

Going over your data allocation (assuming you don't have unlimited) or, for that matter, not going over it, is completely on you, and this holds for Android, etc.

anyway, sure you can never touch the phone and it won't cost you; but it's kind of hard to have iTunes in your hand .. and never buy anything ...

Self control. I haz it. Duz u? ;)
 

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-iToilet: stolen from advanced Japanese toilet/bidet hibrid seats. Dries your butt and analyzes your urine via an optional app. Has airplay support.

-Apple Moon: Apple will use a giant frickin laser to burn the image of Steve Jobs on the Moon.

-iFleshlight: With Jobs dead, we can forget his hatred of naughty things and conquer the adult industry.
 

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android right now has a better web browser + better voice recognition + all major apps.

I actually prefer browsing on my iPad over my Transformer. I just can't find an Android browser that I actually like. Firefox would be perfect if it was faster and it always showed the tabs.

So, I'll stick with Atomic Web Browser on iOS. :p

you know each time an app loads an ad, they take that data from your account? and if you happen to be out of data, you can easily spend ten bux in a day on f* Angry birds.
anyway, sure you can never touch the phone and it won't cost you; but it's kind of hard to have iTunes in your hand .. and never buy anything ...

You could just be like most and wait until the paid version goes on sale FOR FREE for a couple days. I check IGN every day for a list of price drops that includes the aforementioned free apps.
 

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I wouldnt underestimate Apple. They may come out with some amazing "must-have". The IP5 may not be it but they have unlimited resources and can come out with something totally amazing. Probably some nuclear powered ipod. Who the hell knows. But, I really dont see them being on top for long. There is only so much we can do with technology.
 

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I think Apple can get by* for the next five years without releasing "the next big/trendy thing", just by making improvements to their current line-up in the way of battery life, bug fixes, resolution improvement, better processors, that sort of thing. Unless someone else comes up with "the next big/trendy thing", or Apple makes an ENORMOUS cock-up or series of smaller cock-ups. A string of "you're holding the phone wrong" type incidents, for example.

* - I wish my business would "get by" like that :D
 

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Battery life is an area where all manufacturers can improve on. Perhaps we'll see solar power assisted Mac Airs, along with better battery technologies in the future?
 

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iPhone 4S and the ipad 3 probably will be the last time that Apple convincingly has a lead over android. Especially with smartphones showing up on prepaid networks, the cost difference will be noticeable. My brother for instance got a smartphone on Virgin mobile. The android phone was like $300 cheaper than the iPhone.

Macbook air was revolutionary, but again, where do you go from there? You can't really go any thinner, and windows ultrabooks are now convincingly cheaper + better lcd screens.

The prototypes for the iphone 5 look kinda lackluster so far. And the redesigned dock connector might actually be a big enough deal to turn people off of the typical apple upgrade cycle.

Also, it seems like since Steve passed away, leaks have gotten worse and worse for apple.

So far, all of the Android devices I've used have had terrible user experiences. Google needs to get on that. I really like the simplicity of the iOS interface. Not wanting to start a flamewar, just expressing my opinion. Yes, it's a walled garden, but it's also a nice one :)

The Macbook Air was pretty cool, but competitors have caught up - the Thinkpad X1 Carbon is simply amazing. But, the difference is the OS. I don't have to load up OS X with Antivirus software, Malwarebytes, CCleaner, or SmartDefrag. I don't have to reinstall OS X on a yearly basis to keep it running smoothly. I like that.

I think Google can get there with Android, given enough time - maybe. Fragmentation is a tough problem to beat, especially with all of the device-customized GUI's out there. In Apple-land, anyone who can use an iPad 1 can use an iPad 3, as well as an iPhone and iPod Touch. Pretty easy. I don't particularly care for the direction the OS is heading (really locked down), but I understand why they are doing it and I think it will be a Good Thing for the general consumer. I currently manage the IT for about 180 users at work - most people are not technical and can't even handle Android phones, let alone keep their Windows-based computers running smoothly for long periods of time. It is what it is.

I don't know what's next for Apple. I've questioned that myself since the iPad came out. I do believe there is a strong niche for a 7" iPad. The 10" just isn't grab & go; a Kindle Fire definitely is, however. I think TV could be a huge market if they do it right...at the very least, if they let third-party apps be installed on the AppleTV. Apple can pry my TiVo from my cold, dead hands unless they have something really super amazing - and I think it would take local Cable TV providers getting onboard with IPTV for it to happen, because as mentioned in another post, flipping channels over the Internet is just not as couch-potato-satisfying as real TV is.

Pretty much every non-nerd person I know still struggles with their TV. I was helping out my friend's grandpa the other day...their new Comcast service came with like a 64-button remote. To watch freaking TV. They had no clue how to operate it or even set it up. Receivers are still a hassle for the average person to setup...I think Logitech had the right idea with their Z-680/Z-5500 pod setup - easy remote, easy setup, simplified user interface.

The next area I see Apple getting into is Smart Home technology. Whole-house power monitoring, automation, sensors, switches, appliance control, that sort of thing. I'd really like to be able to control my house with my cell phone and not pay through the nose for something from Crestron, Savant, or Control4. Control4 now sells a starter kit for under a grand, but it's far from my idea of an Apple-esqe smarthome where things are easy to install, easy to setup, and easy to use. And not that things even need to be overly complex, but simple human nature things - like getting an iMessage that the laundry is ready to switch from the washer to the dryer and then a reminder message when I push it off til later and have forgotten to do it, stuff like that.

Car integration is coming in a huge way, with Siri buttons becoming available on new cars. And Apple is extremely close to crushing Sonos for whole-house audio; I don't know why they haven't done it yet - just a few little tweaks and they're there, and most of those tweaks you can do with aftermarket software like Airfoil.

I think Apple should buy OnLive. They clearly have no interest in pursuing Mac computers as a gaming platform, and they are happy with iOS performance for gaming. As Macs get more and more locked down and become more and more like iOS devices, there won't be room for heavy-duty graphics cards in anything but the Pro machines anyway. I can see the future iMacs being millimeters thin - a Retina screen with Macbook Air guts. It makes sense.

They could possibly go into cloud computing - along with game streaming, perhaps also stuff like video crunching for pros, which OnLive has kind of been experimenting with in terms of rented RDP-like OS's. Sort of the Amazon route for renting servers to do tasks and whatnot. But that would require a really high-speed, high-availability Internet connection, and they'd have to maintain it forever, so I don't think they'll really go that route.

I'm almost out of places to put Apple stuff. iPhone in my pocket, iPad on my couch, Macbook in my backpack, iMac on my desktop, AppleTV on my television, Airport Express for wireless speakers, iPod for working out...the 3 big niches I see are a better TV system (just add third-party apps to the AppleTV, at least), whole-house audio (just software tweaks & Sonos is sunk), and Smart House stuff. Then I have no more places in my life to put Apple things :D