Realized that there aren't many good games for xbox

[wyvrn]

I am sorry but PS2 graphics are inferior. And yes graphics is *one* of my criterion for buying a gaming console. Though I have in the past spent much time on text muds, I really prefer games with solid graphics. The PS2 has obvious limitations and the Xbox is clearly better in most titles. Yep the PS2 has more games now, but it obviously came out first. It's kind of pointless argument saying one's game selection is larger than the other because they were not released at the same time. As for cross platform games, I think that is an advantage for the Xbox because you are getting in many cases higher quality graphics. Why would you buy a cross platform game on inferior hardware if you did not have to? That argument makes no sense when looked at from both sides, although people try to make it look like a disadvantage for Xbox owners. As stated before, Xbox has other benefits like a superior online system, built-in ethernet, hard disk, and 4 controllers. My xbox gets tons of use at parties, I cannot get people off of it. So I am happy with my purchase and look forward to playing it more the next few years as more great titles come out. I just finished KOTOR and it was the best gaming experiences I have had. That game alone was worth the purchase, even though Halo and MechAssault were also tons of fun.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: fumbduck

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: fumbduck

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: fumbduck
xbox blows.

I built an HTPC/Emulation computer, its the same size if not smaller than the xbox, and cheaper yet faster.

You can plug PS2/Xbox/Gamecube controllers through a USB adapter, and you can play the games for all three systems. YOu just have to buy the real gtame and use the emulator.

So... Basically none of the above is truly accurate?

what is not accurate?

1)I built an HTPC/Emulation computer, its the same size if not smaller than the xbox, and cheaper yet faster.
This is true.
2)You can plug PS2/Xbox/Gamecube controllers through a USB adapter,
This is true.
3)and you can play the games for all three systems.
This is also true, google is your friend Wingznut, not false accusation. I cannot post links to emulation websites, that is probably against anandtech rules.
4)YOu just have to buy the real gtame and use the emulator.
And last, this is true. OR you can download the game if by chance someone has uploaded a gigabit big file, good luck though.

Please don't accuse me falsely and wrongly, I have never done such to you.

#3 is TOTAL BULLSH*T. There are NO EMULATORS for the xbox, PS2, or Gamecube that work. Yes there are some as previously stated that will show start up screens but NONE can actually play a commercial game.

You are just full of sh*t and everyone can see that.

OH Yeah you want the proof you aren't playing a XBOX commercial game in your HTPC?????? You can't even READ commercial xbox games in a standard PC. It isn't even possible. If you want to read the contents of an xbox game, you have to put it in an xbox then ftp into your xbox to read the contents. That right there is enough to prove you are full of sh*t.

WHERE IN MY POST DID I SAY I HAVE PLAYED XBOX GAMES ON MY HTPC? "you can play the games for all three systems". I nowhere said I had, I only made the remark that it is possible, and it is indeed becoming very close to possible. There are a few PS2 Emulators out there, and though they do not work very well, they can be made to work. I HAVE gotten PS emulators to work with the original games.

Edit: So by your opinion, only #3 is "TOTAL BULLSH*T", which by mine, it is not. Sure you can play them, just not well. And how do you know what I have access to and what I don't? Not everything is for little kiddies to find on google, however there are some.

Run along.

God, I hope you aren't a product of the education system here in the US. If so then the system is worse off than I thought.

3)and you can play the games for all three systems.
This is also true, google is your friend Wingznut, not false accusation. I cannot post links to emulation websites, that is probably against anandtech rules.
4)YOu just have to buy the real gtame and use the emulator.

Are you reading that? I will take it REALLY slow for you. Maybe you will understand the english involved. The quote "and you can play the games for all three systems." means that RIGHT NOW you can play the games on you HTPC. Did that go over your head? I hope not. The word CAN is the key here. You did not say, "will be able to", "might be able to". You stated something in the present tense.

Since that is the case, I call you on the BS.

At this very point in time:
Are there PS1 emulators that work? Yes
Are there PS2 emulators that work? Not really. Yes you can load a game but you can't PLAY the game.
Are there Xbox emulators that work? Nope, but I will give you that the possibility is looking better for this.
Are there gamecube emulators that work? Hell no, a group just now was able to rip a game from the disk. Must less emulate the game.

So I once again called you on your BS. Maybe you just didn't know how to communicate but I can't help that. I can only reply to what you post. Not what you intended to post.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I've found that Nintendo has more exclusive titles that I want to play than the xBox that I want to play, the xBox has Project Gotham Racing (MSR owned me) and Ninja Gaiden. The GC has Eternal Darkness, Zelda, Metroid, SSBM, Ikaruga is a semi-exclusive (can't even find it on the DC), F-Zero GX, and it has the GB Player.

I personally am a console whore. I'll go with anyone's console. I've had a NES, SNES, GB, GBA, GC, Genesis, DC, PSX, and a PS2. I've gamed on the PC under both DOS and Windows.

Ignoring the fact that MS is losing a billion dollars a year on the xBox, if it didn't have Halo, would it be a success?

 

There's Halo, KotR which will both be on the PC by Sept. Then it's just Halo2 holding it together.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: fumbduck

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: fumbduck
xbox blows.

I built an HTPC/Emulation computer, its the same size if not smaller than the xbox, and cheaper yet faster.

You can plug PS2/Xbox/Gamecube controllers through a USB adapter, and you can play the games for all three systems. YOu just have to buy the real gtame and use the emulator.

So... Basically none of the above is truly accurate?

what is not accurate?

1)I built an HTPC/Emulation computer, its the same size if not smaller than the xbox, and cheaper yet faster.
This is true.
2)You can plug PS2/Xbox/Gamecube controllers through a USB adapter,
This is true.
3)and you can play the games for all three systems.
This is also true, google is your friend Wingznut, not false accusation. I cannot post links to emulation websites, that is probably against anandtech rules.
4)YOu just have to buy the real gtame and use the emulator.
And last, this is true. OR you can download the game if by chance someone has uploaded a gigabit big file, good luck though.

Please don't accuse me falsely and wrongly, I have never done such to you.

1) Yes, I'm sure you built an HTPC. However... since the Xbox measures (HxWxD) 3.5"x12.5"x10.25", and your case measures 3.75"x12.76"x15.71", your HTPC is not smaller. As for cost... The total cost of your HTPC is ~$185 (not including controller, USB adapter, or OS). That's more than an Xbox, which would include a controller. Faster... Technically, the specs are higher. But there's no way that it would run Xbox games in emulation as well as an actual Xbox (even if it could... which it cannot).

2) Yes, this is true.

3 & 4) Since everyone else has already pointed out that you CANNOT "play the games for all three systems", I don't need to beat that dead horse.

I ask again... Is emulating even legal? I'm certain that downloading the games, is not.

 

[Lager]

Gamecube games are much better because they are exclusive.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: coldcut
Gamecube games are much better because they are exclusive.

What's your point?

 

[Ichinisan]

EDIT

 

[wyvrn]

If that is the case, why did Nintendo just stop production? Gamecube sales are extremely low and the company admitted that the platform has underperformed expectations by a large margin. Nintendo is counting on it's next generation of console to succeed, or they may end up getting out of home console business and concentrate on Gameboy and software development.

I think exclusive games are a bit overrated. Sure it helps to have a kickass game that nobody else has, but overall people buy the system that has the most good games, best mutliplayer, and yes graphics ability. Sony is leading and MS is right behind as they get more titles out. As I stated earlier, the Xbox came out after the PS2, but if you compare their histories side by side you see that MS has done as good a job of getting quality titles as Sony in the same amount of time. In another year when games make full use of Xbox's capabilities and they have even more good titles out, I expect Xbox sales to start to eclipse PS2 sales. If you have been watching sales numbers you can see this is the case. I think this is very impressive since MS had no history in the console market, unlike Sony who had the mammoth Playstation fan base, and the Xbox is keeping up with the PS2 just fine considering.

I think Nintendo might go the way of Sega, where they license their exclusive titles to the other leading console companies. They will make more money this way obviously since the user base would be many times larger than it is now. It is looking like it was was actually a mistake for Nintendo to have so many good exclusive titles when their hardware sales lagged so badly. It is also no coincidence that the Gamecube has the lowest graphics quality of the three and is the only one without an online system for multiplayer. Nintendo could still recover if they license out some of those great exclusive titles (they still make royalties on sales of other games systems!), establish online multiplay, and the next system has cutting edge hardware to compete with MS and Sony.

Originally posted by: coldcut
Gamecube games are much better because they are exclusive.

 

[CZroe]

I know it's already been picked apart but I'll pick it apart in context:

Originally posted by: fumbduck


what is not accurate?

1)I built an HTPC/Emulation computer, its the same size if not smaller than the xbox, and cheaper yet faster.
This is true. This is false. The XBOX is smaller and cheaper. Though I don't doubt any PC is a better value
2)You can plug PS2/Xbox/Gamecube controllers through a USB adapter,
This is true. Other than N64 controllers through an Adaptoid and XBOX controllers through native USB, this is NEVER adequate. Console controllers do not transfer well to a PC's square axis then back to circular for an emulator. Try doing the spin attack in Zelda: Ocarina of Time without an Adaptoid and appropriate emulation plugin: Impossible
3)and you can play the games for all three systems.
This is also true, google is your friend Wingznut, not false accusation. I cannot post links to emulation websites, that is probably against anandtech rules.OMG! Didn't you read the preceeding posts? This "idea" of "searching" for information THAT IS NOT SECRET is *exactly* what I was trying to dispel! You're one of "those who maintain the myth that emulators are some black magic you have to scour the web to use," whom my "rant" was intended for. Apparantly it missed its mark.
4)YOu just have to buy the real gtame and use the emulator.
And last, this is true. OR you can download the game if by chance someone has uploaded a gigabit big file, good luck though.It's not true. PC drives are incapable of reading some discs, namely XBOX and possibly Gamecube (Crazy Nation has not released their dumping technique, but they did release the PSO exploit for Gamecube coding over the Broadband adapter and could have very well utilized it for the disc dumps). Not only that, emulation for these consoles may simply never achieve a useable state. The limitation with emulating more and more recent consoles is not that you must have a more and more powerful computer, but rather that it becomes exponentially more complicated and therefore exponentially difficult to emulate and reverse engineer. Emulators for the LAST generation of consoles had to use so many sloppy hacks and shortcuts that they were never anywhere close to decent. Anyone with the N64 ROM GoodSet can tell you that (I'm selling a N64 hardware cartridge emulator with 100% compatability in FS/FT). If this, and Dreamcast emulation hasn't truely reached a useable state (DC = A few title screens here and there, some homebrew software, some glitchy graphics, etc. Much like CXBX), how can you expect current consoles? The XBOX's PC similarities and familiar open architechture are simply a lucky fluke this time around.

Please don't accuse me falsely and wrongly, I have never done such to you.

Oh, and that comment about Anandtech frowning on emulation links? PRICELESS IGNORANCE! That, and the Google reference really bats my point home about "hunting" it as if all the information in the world isn't right there for all to see. I feel like quoting that in my sig on all the emulation message boards which are FAR MORE ACTIVE THAN IGN!

And Google is only your friend if you WANT to get suckered into to every hoax designed to lure idiots that think that way. They made these hoaxes BECAUSE of people who don't know any better than simply plugging "Gamecube Emulator" in a search engine instead of checking a comprehensive list of all known working console emulators on an easy to find respectable emulation news site.

You're certainly not the authority on emulation. How do you think everyone here KNEW it was BS? Obviously, because they're more informed than you. So listen, don't defend.

EDIT: OH SH**! I was TOTALLY WRONG! Gamecube emulation IS possible! Just be sure to highlight and read the white on white text on the bottom of the page Especially the part about "- gCubix was created because I got bored of morons asking on Usenet for PS2/xBox/NGC emulators." (He's talking about you, though I wouldn't be so harsh ) The whole thing is quite funny considering that it will ONLY fool the ignorant

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
If that is the case, why did Nintendo just stop production? Gamecube sales are extremely low and the company admitted that the platform has underperformed expectations by a large margin. Nintendo is counting on it's next generation of console to succeed, or they may end up getting out of home console business and concentrate on Gameboy and software development.

I think exclusive games are a bit overrated. Sure it helps to have a kickass game that nobody else has, but overall people buy the system that has the most good games, best mutliplayer, and yes graphics ability. Sony is leading and MS is right behind as they get more titles out. As I stated earlier, the Xbox came out after the PS2, but if you compare their histories side by side you see that MS has done as good a job of getting quality titles as Sony in the same amount of time. In another year when games make full use of Xbox's capabilities and they have even more good titles out, I expect Xbox sales to start to eclipse PS2 sales. If you have been watching sales numbers you can see this is the case. I think this is very impressive since MS had no history in the console market, unlike Sony who had the mammoth Playstation fan base, and the Xbox is keeping up with the PS2 just fine considering.

I think Nintendo might go the way of Sega, where they license their exclusive titles to the other leading console companies. They will make more money this way obviously since the user base would be many times larger than it is now. It is looking like it was was actually a mistake for Nintendo to have so many good exclusive titles when their hardware sales lagged so badly. It is also no coincidence that the Gamecube has the lowest graphics quality of the three and is the only one without an online system for multiplayer. Nintendo could still recover if they license out some of those great exclusive titles (they still make royalties on sales of other games systems!), establish online multiplay, and the next system has cutting edge hardware to compete with MS and Sony.

Originally posted by: coldcut
Gamecube games are much better because they are exclusive.

It's current news on IGN. basically, Nintendo needs to eliminate overstock before they can manufacture more. Lends credit to the Hot Deals thread's poster saying he heard Walmart may drop to $99.99 soon... I wouldn't knock Nintendo over online stuff, they failed once (SNES XBAND) and Sega failed thrice (Genesis XBAND, Saturn XBAND, Dreamcast Modem/BBA). Looks like they don't want to get stuck in the same rut (Though SNES XBAND *COULD* have been big. I LOVED it!), but they know it will be successful if they jump in after someone else takes the risks (Sega is doing it again, with PSO on the GC).

BTW, it looks like you didn't notice: The Gamecube's graphics are second only to XBOX. Also, the sheer amount of A+ exclusive titles IS greater than the XBOX's and I can point out that more than half of those are better than XBOX's "star" game. You sound exactly like one of those industry analysts that doesn't really know what going on, but you hear it coming from everywhere so I don't blame you.

("Amount ... IS greater" not "titles IS greater" so I'm using proper English )

 

[RU482]

Topic Title: Realized that there aren't many good games for xbox

Oh but how many good games there are for the Hot Box

 

[kindest]

i love my xbox i wouldnt trade it for the world, but i use mine as a multimedia station
more then a gaming station Ie dvdrs, svcd,vcd,divx, mp3s, radio station, mp3 streams,
etc. etc.

 

[wyvrn]

I am sorry but I have played all three systems, and Nintendo's graphics are NOT any better than Xbox or Sony's. I don't care about paper numbers. Performance wise the Gamecube is a HUGE disappointment graphics wise. Maybe the developers are not taking advantage of the hardware, or the hardware was over-hyped from the beginning. Frankly I expected more from Nintendo and I think they really dropped the ball on this one.

And you look like the uninformed one. Go to MSN and read the article where it states Nintendo sales are unexpectedly low, the company has quit producing to move inventories (which is a direct reflection of low sales), and the article talks about Nintendo pulling out of the home console market. Neither MS nor Sony has to cut sales because they are handily outperforming the Gamecube. Your argument is WEAK SAUCE.

Also, I never said Nintendo had less exclusive titles than the Xbox, so you obviously didn't read my post. I said the fact that they have so many that are exclusive on a weak selling system has doomed them. Idiot!

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: wyvrn
If that is the case, why did Nintendo just stop production? Gamecube sales are extremely low and the company admitted that the platform has underperformed expectations by a large margin. Nintendo is counting on it's next generation of console to succeed, or they may end up getting out of home console business and concentrate on Gameboy and software development.

I think exclusive games are a bit overrated. Sure it helps to have a kickass game that nobody else has, but overall people buy the system that has the most good games, best mutliplayer, and yes graphics ability. Sony is leading and MS is right behind as they get more titles out. As I stated earlier, the Xbox came out after the PS2, but if you compare their histories side by side you see that MS has done as good a job of getting quality titles as Sony in the same amount of time. In another year when games make full use of Xbox's capabilities and they have even more good titles out, I expect Xbox sales to start to eclipse PS2 sales. If you have been watching sales numbers you can see this is the case. I think this is very impressive since MS had no history in the console market, unlike Sony who had the mammoth Playstation fan base, and the Xbox is keeping up with the PS2 just fine considering.

I think Nintendo might go the way of Sega, where they license their exclusive titles to the other leading console companies. They will make more money this way obviously since the user base would be many times larger than it is now. It is looking like it was was actually a mistake for Nintendo to have so many good exclusive titles when their hardware sales lagged so badly. It is also no coincidence that the Gamecube has the lowest graphics quality of the three and is the only one without an online system for multiplayer. Nintendo could still recover if they license out some of those great exclusive titles (they still make royalties on sales of other games systems!), establish online multiplay, and the next system has cutting edge hardware to compete with MS and Sony.

Originally posted by: coldcut
Gamecube games are much better because they are exclusive.

It's current news on IGN. basically, Nintendo needs to eliminate overstock before they can manufacture more. Lends credit to the Hot Deals thread's poster saying he heard Walmart may drop to $99.99 soon...

BTW, it looks like you didn't notice: The Gamecube's graphics are second only to XBOX. Also, the sheer amount of A+ exclusive titles IS greater than the XBOX's and I can point out that more than half of those are better than XBOX's "star" game. You sound exactly like one of those industry analysts that doesn't really know what going on, but you hear it coming from everywhere so I don't blame you.

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
I am sorry but I have played all three systems, and Nintendo's graphics are NOT any better than Xbox or Sony's. I don't care about paper numbers. Performance wise the Gamecube is a HUGE disappointment graphics wise. Maybe the developers are not taking advantage of the hardware, or the hardware was over-hyped from the beginning. Frankly I expected more from Nintendo and I think they really dropped the ball on this one.

And you look like the uninformed one. Go to MSN and read the article where it states Nintendo sales are unexpectedly low, the company has quit producing to move inventories (which is a direct reflection of low sales), and the article talks about Nintendo pulling out of the home console market. Neither MS nor Sony has to cut sales because they are handily outperforming the Gamecube. Your argument is WEAK SAUCE.

OPEN YOUR EYES! Haven't you even SEEN Gamecube software vs. PS2 software? Do you oggle the FMV and think it's the system capable of generating those graphics? Appparantly, I know this because I am "hardcore" or something and you are not

It's not even an argument it's simple fact. There are a few examples of quick and dirty PS2 ports and even quick and dirty ground-up releases (Need for Speed PS2 vs. NFS GC) made just to increase a game lisences market, but there are many more examples of the Gamecubes ARTX/ATI supremacy over the PS2 (Splinter Cell XBOX supercedes Splinter Cell Gamecube which supercedes Splinter Cell PS2). Read a few "head to head" articles instead of PS2 fanboy opinions pointing out FMV artifacts as graphical dings against the GC

The fact that I can point out examples and you can't shows something about how much we have both studied the subject My simple point: It's not JUST paper.

Also, ask the developers of Blody Roar 3 which system is more powerful. Do a search for "PS2 jaggies" and just look at the sheer crappyness of its cell-shaded games compared to Zelda: WW (Sheer graphical bliss). So many kiddies think cell shading = crappy graphics because it's simpler. "Zelda?! More like celda!" It's STYLE and HORSEPOWER to acheive it.

And apparantly you don't speak industry-speak well. Except for the "pulling out of the ... market" part, that article simply rewords what I said. Uninformed? What? Are you informing me by rewording what I JUST SAID? As for pulling out, that's EXACTLY what I was thinking about when I refered to your earlier statement as "You sound exactly like one of those industry analysts that doesn't really know what going on." The article you quoted wasn't saying that production stopped because they were pulling out so it's useless for your point. It only gives me more of an idea of just how clueless you are (Well, comparatively ) about what Nintendo will do and what the industry says they should do.

It's NOT going to happen. Nintendo is not the next Sega. Only lobotomized "psuedo gamers" (Addmittedly, the majority) who ignorantly shun the GC think that.

Read IGNCUBE's report on the same GC market-share topic. They are not MSNBC Market News (I only read MSNBC's game industry news for laughs!). IGN is a gaming source and they know what they are talking about (They've actually been around longer. What?! IT'S TRUE!). Get your news from a knowledgable source will ya? As for MSNBC, they aren't respected in the gaming community for game industry news: Number 1 Number 2

 

[wyvrn]

CZroe

If that is a parody post then it's not even moderately well done. Penny Arcade is about as funny as watching paint dry and as accurate as the Enquirer.

As for my age, I am 28 and have accomplished quite a bit in my life. I happen to have a passion for gaming. If you do not, I suggest you click on threads which interest you and we will both be happy. I will not stoop to your level and make fun of any passion you might have

However, if you post was an attempt at a serious rebuttal, I found a couple of legitimate articles for you:

Nintendo drops aim for GameCube sales:

Nintendo has been locked in a contest with Microsoft to claim second place in the lucrative video game market, behind market leader Sony, whose PlayStation 2 console surpassed the 50 million-unit mark early this year.

Recent signs show Microsoft pulling ahead in the race, with the company saying it expects to have sold 9 million units of its Xbox console by the end of the company's fiscal year, June 30.

Several major third-party game publishers have said recently that they intend to scale back the number of GameCube titles they will offer, and major European retailers have said they may drop sales of the console.

The GameCube news prompted Nintendo to lower its financial outlook for the recently concluded fiscal year. The company now expects earnings of $550 million (66 billion yen) for the year, down from previous forecasts for $666 million in profit and from the $886 million it made a year ago.

So obviously the lack of console sales has made a huge impact on Nintendo's earnings and potential future in the console market. They will be smart to focus on licensing their exclusive titles and selling handhelds.

Xbox Hits Major Sales Milestones for Console and Games

Two independent research groups confirmed today that the Xbox (TM) video game system is on a roll. The NPD Group Inc. reported that Xbox posted a stunning sales increase of approximately 131 percent in the United States in the first two months following a $100 price cut in May. In addition, "Project Gotham Racing (TM) " from Microsoft® Games Studios and "Dead or Alive 3 (TM) " from Tecmo each have sold more than a million units worldwide. According to the International Development Group, this makes Xbox the first video game system ever to have three million-unit-selling launch titles after just eight months on the market. The numbers put the system on track for another blockbuster holiday season, when gamers will be able to choose from more than 200 Xbox games.

Since the day one launch of the console in November 2001, the award-winning lineup of software for Xbox has reached a number of key sales milestones. According to independent data from the NPD Group, the definitive source of sales and market data on the video game industry, Xbox has sold more than 10 million units of software in the first eight months the console has been on the market in the United States. That's the most software ever sold for a new video game system in the United States in the same period of time. Last week, Microsoft Corp. reported that 20 million units of Xbox games were sold worldwide in its past fiscal year.

Although all three major game console manufacturers announced price cuts in May, Xbox has had the largest percentage gains with sales having spiked approximately 131 percent in the United States in the two months since the price cut, according to NPD.

On the software side, two exclusive Xbox launch titles -- "Project Gotham Racing" from Microsoft Game Studios and "Dead or Alive 3" from Tecmo -- have topped the 1 million mark in worldwide sales. Earlier this year, another blockbuster Xbox launch title, "Halo (TM): Combat Evolved," also from Microsoft Game Studios, became the first million-unit seller for Xbox. According to the International Development Group, an independent market research firm that tracks worldwide video game sales, this would make Xbox the first console to ever achieve worldwide sales of more than 1 million units on three different launch titles in less than eight months on the market.

So the Xbox started off setting records despite the most competiton the console market has had in a long time. Gamecube is getting squeazed out.

 

[Lager]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
CZroe

If that is a parody post then it's not even moderately well done. Penny Arcade is about as funny as watching paint dry and as accurate as the Enquirer.

As for my age, I am 28 and have accomplished quite a bit in my life. I happen to have a passion for gaming. If you do not, I suggest you click on threads which interest you and we will both be happy. I will not stoop to your level and make fun of any passion you might have

However, if you post was an attempt at a serious rebuttal, I found a couple of legitimate articles for you:

Nintendo drops aim for GameCube sales:

Nintendo has been locked in a contest with Microsoft to claim second place in the lucrative video game market, behind market leader Sony, whose PlayStation 2 console surpassed the 50 million-unit mark early this year.

Recent signs show Microsoft pulling ahead in the race, with the company saying it expects to have sold 9 million units of its Xbox console by the end of the company's fiscal year, June 30.

Several major third-party game publishers have said recently that they intend to scale back the number of GameCube titles they will offer, and major European retailers have said they may drop sales of the console.

The GameCube news prompted Nintendo to lower its financial outlook for the recently concluded fiscal year. The company now expects earnings of $550 million (66 billion yen) for the year, down from previous forecasts for $666 million in profit and from the $886 million it made a year ago.

So obviously the lack of console sales has made a huge impact on Nintendo's earnings and potential future in the console market. They will be smart to focus on licensing their exclusive titles and selling handhelds.

Xbox Hits Major Sales Milestones for Console and Games

Two independent research groups confirmed today that the Xbox (TM) video game system is on a roll. The NPD Group Inc. reported that Xbox posted a stunning sales increase of approximately 131 percent in the United States in the first two months following a $100 price cut in May. In addition, "Project Gotham Racing (TM) " from Microsoft® Games Studios and "Dead or Alive 3 (TM) " from Tecmo each have sold more than a million units worldwide. According to the International Development Group, this makes Xbox the first video game system ever to have three million-unit-selling launch titles after just eight months on the market. The numbers put the system on track for another blockbuster holiday season, when gamers will be able to choose from more than 200 Xbox games.

Since the day one launch of the console in November 2001, the award-winning lineup of software for Xbox has reached a number of key sales milestones. According to independent data from the NPD Group, the definitive source of sales and market data on the video game industry, Xbox has sold more than 10 million units of software in the first eight months the console has been on the market in the United States. That's the most software ever sold for a new video game system in the United States in the same period of time. Last week, Microsoft Corp. reported that 20 million units of Xbox games were sold worldwide in its past fiscal year.

Although all three major game console manufacturers announced price cuts in May, Xbox has had the largest percentage gains with sales having spiked approximately 131 percent in the United States in the two months since the price cut, according to NPD.

On the software side, two exclusive Xbox launch titles -- "Project Gotham Racing" from Microsoft Game Studios and "Dead or Alive 3" from Tecmo -- have topped the 1 million mark in worldwide sales. Earlier this year, another blockbuster Xbox launch title, "Halo (TM): Combat Evolved," also from Microsoft Game Studios, became the first million-unit seller for Xbox. According to the International Development Group, an independent market research firm that tracks worldwide video game sales, this would make Xbox the first console to ever achieve worldwide sales of more than 1 million units on three different launch titles in less than eight months on the market.

So the Xbox started off setting records despite the most competiton the console market has had in a long time. Gamecube is getting squeazed out.

That's good to know. Xbox will be a good investment.

 

[TerryMathews]

It's really a wash at this point. Nintendo's struggling here in the US but in Japan M$ can hardly give away Xboxen.

Also, when talking about good Xbox exclusives, I can't believe you guys left out Steel Battalion. It's like MechWarrior4 on steroids.

 

[wyvrn]

Nintendo is struggling in Europe also. Some European countries are considering dropping it from their stores. The only country holding Nintendo console up is Japan. It's far from a wash, Nintendo is the solid #3 system now.

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
It's really a wash at this point. Nintendo's struggling here in the US but in Japan M$ can hardly give away Xboxen.

Also, when talking about good Xbox exclusives, I can't believe you guys left out Steel Battalion. It's like MechWarrior4 on steroids.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Nintendo is struggling in Europe also. Some European countries are considering dropping it from their stores. The only country holding Nintendo console up is Japan. It's far from a wash, Nintendo is the solid #3 system now.

That conflicts with some of the information that I've read, but that's not suprising. Everyone has an agenda.

Bottom line is that all of the companies are doing as they expected. Sony is making money hand over fist. Nintendo is making decent cash and re-establishing their presence after the debacle that was N64 and M$ is losing money like a sive but it's all gravey because they're building credit for next gen and writing off the losses on their taxes.

Consider that Nintendo makes the most profit per console sold. Sony makes a little money per console, but not much. M$ loses a considerable amount of moola per box. Also, Nintendo has the largest selection of successful first-party games which is where the real money is at.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: wyvrn Nintendo is struggling in Europe also. Some European countries are considering dropping it from their stores. The only country holding Nintendo console up is Japan. It's far from a wash, Nintendo is the solid #3 system now.

That conflicts with some of the information that I've read, but that's not suprising. Everyone has an agenda. Bottom line is that all of the companies are doing as they expected. Sony is making money hand over fist. Nintendo is making decent cash and re-establishing their presence after the debacle that was N64 and M$ is losing money like a sive but it's all gravey because they're building credit for next gen and writing off the losses on their taxes. Consider that Nintendo makes the most profit per console sold. Sony makes a little money per console, but not much. M$ loses a considerable amount of moola per box. Also, Nintendo has the largest selection of successful first-party games which is where the real money is at.

Sony just took a major hit in their entertainment division.

And Nintendo made tons of $$ with the N64.

 

[Ferocious]

Sony owns the console business.

Hell Microsoft can't even outsell the kiddie Cube.

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
CZroe

If that is a parody post then it's not even moderately well done. Penny Arcade is about as funny as watching paint dry and as accurate as the Enquirer.

It's always relevant and it seems to be today.

As for my age, I am 28 and have accomplished quite a bit in my life. I happen to have a passion for gaming. If you do not, I suggest you click on threads which interest you and we will both be happy. I will not stoop to your level and make fun of any passion you might have

I realy don't understand. Made fun of a passion?! I was all over the 2600 and Colecovision back in the day too. I never brought up anything about your age either.

However, if you post was an attempt at a serious rebuttal, I found a couple of legitimate articles for you:

Nintendo drops aim for GameCube sales:

Nintendo has been locked in a contest with Microsoft to claim second place in the lucrative video game market, behind market leader Sony, whose PlayStation 2 console surpassed the 50 million-unit mark early this year.

Recent signs show Microsoft pulling ahead in the race, with the company saying it expects to have sold 9 million units of its Xbox console by the end of the company's fiscal year, June 30.

Several major third-party game publishers have said recently that they intend to scale back the number of GameCube titles they will offer, and major European retailers have said they may drop sales of the console.

The GameCube news prompted Nintendo to lower its financial outlook for the recently concluded fiscal year. The company now expects earnings of $550 million (66 billion yen) for the year, down from previous forecasts for $666 million in profit and from the $886 million it made a year ago.

So obviously the lack of console sales has made a huge impact on Nintendo's earnings and potential future in the console market. They will be smart to focus on licensing their exclusive titles and selling handhelds.

Key point: Nintendo made a profit. Ignored point: XBOX didn't. Point reiterated:

August 05, 2003 - Nintendo today reported a net profit of 11.45 billion yen (or $95 million) for the April-June period.

2nd or 3rd place makes no difference when profit is the bottom line. Why would a company exit the market because of THAT number?!

Xbox Hits Major Sales Milestones for Console and Games

Two independent research groups confirmed today that the Xbox (TM) video game system is on a roll. The NPD Group Inc. reported that Xbox posted a stunning sales increase of approximately 131 percent in the United States in the first two months following a $100 price cut in May. In addition, "Project Gotham Racing (TM) " from Microsoft® Games Studios and "Dead or Alive 3 (TM) " from Tecmo each have sold more than a million units worldwide. According to the International Development Group, this makes Xbox the first video game system ever to have three million-unit-selling launch titles after just eight months on the market.

What a strange benchmark for success.

The numbers put the system on track for another blockbuster holiday season, when gamers will be able to choose from more than 200 Xbox games. Since the day one launch of the console in November 2001, the award-winning lineup of software for Xbox has reached a number of key sales milestones. According to independent data from the NPD Group, the definitive source of sales and market data on the video game industry, Xbox has sold more than 10 million units of software in the first eight months the console has been on the market in the United States. That's the most software ever sold for a new video game system in the United States in the same period of time.

And I'm sure the fact that the majority of XBOXes were sold with 3 or more games (Many retailers ditch a crap game or two with a sale) has nothing to do with it! Perhaps it explains how such recorde-breaking software sales can still fail to turn a profit (Could Microsoft possibly have expected better?!)

Last week, Microsoft Corp. reported that 20 million units of Xbox games were sold worldwide in its past fiscal year.

Although all three major game console manufacturers announced price cuts in May, Xbox has had the largest percentage gains with sales having spiked approximately 131 percent in the United States in the two months since the price cut, according to NPD.

On the software side, two exclusive Xbox launch titles -- "Project Gotham Racing" from Microsoft Game Studios and "Dead or Alive 3" from Tecmo -- have topped the 1 million mark in worldwide sales. Earlier this year, another blockbuster Xbox launch title, "Halo (TM): Combat Evolved," also from Microsoft Game Studios, became the first million-unit seller for Xbox. According to the International Development Group, an independent market research firm that tracks worldwide video game sales, this would make Xbox the first console to ever achieve worldwide sales of more than 1 million units on three different launch titles in less than eight months on the market.

Once again... What a strange benchmark for success, but now I ask: What does the XBOX's success have to do with the Gamecube's graphical prowess anyway? I don't see how Microsoft's sales affects the graphical GC vs. PS2 issue As for Nintendo pulling out of the market, I've got a quote too

August 06, 2003 - As [Nintendo president Satoru Iwata] so eloquently said: the day we don't release a new console is the day we get out of the business, period.

So the Xbox started off setting records despite the most competiton the console market has had in a long time. Gamecube is getting squeazed out.

NOT out of business. They're making money at this game while MS is sacrificing just to keep their foot in the door for the next round. Nintendo profits, MS doesn't so if things continued this way, the Gamecube could cruise forever and Microsoft couldn't. Who's "squeezing" who? Nintendo would have to cancel their next console PUBLICLY (And recently) said to be planned for 2005. Planning means alot in this industry... They DEFINATELY don't plan on exiting the console business.

 

[ethebubbeth]

I'd only get it for the mech games... namely mechassault but especially phantom crash. Armored Core on ps2 pwns them both big time. However, IMHO, the number one game of all time for any system was Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries.

 

[krackato]

Why I love my Xbox:

1. Halo
2. KOTOR
3. Every multi-platform game (Soul Caliber 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, Hulk, The Two Towers, etc...) looks much better on Xbox than on the PS2
4. Xbox Media Player is freaking the most awesome media player ever.
5. Near perfect SNES emulation
6. Game Boy Advance, PSone, Genesis, Atari emulation (what can I say, I think it's sweet that I can play tons of different retro-games all from 1 box)
7. The S-Controller is freaking sweet.

They're like $140 used. They're totally worth that much. As an Xbox owner, I can definetly say that it's one of the best purchases I've ever made.

Edit: Did I mention Halo 2 is going to be the greatest thing ever?