Real-world impressions of going from P4 to AMD64 3200+...**UPDATE** Up and Running...FINALLY :)

[ahsia]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ahsia
I always say unless you are running applications that require insane amount of processing power, there is really no need for the TOP of the line processor. I can imagine something like a 2.4C P4 or a XP 2600+ can handle anything you throw at it. In the end, it is how much memory, and how fast your hard drive that will make any real world differences.

Some people don't feel that way though and always buy the most expensive fastest stuff so they can brag about how they are x amount faster in such and such benchmark/game. I agree that if you are gaming that there is a point where you need nothing more. For instance if you can get 60fps in a game and the next step up in hardware gets you 70fps and that hardware is $400 more it is not worth it.

Yeah for gaming purposes, it is usually mostly the video card that makes a difference anyways. And you can easily build two practical PCs that should run mostly anything for the price of one PC with top of the line processor, mobo and video card. Spending all that cash just to brag about benchmarks.... ?? I guess some people have too much money......

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ahsia

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ahsia
I always say unless you are running applications that require insane amount of processing power, there is really no need for the TOP of the line processor. I can imagine something like a 2.4C P4 or a XP 2600+ can handle anything you throw at it. In the end, it is how much memory, and how fast your hard drive that will make any real world differences.

Some people don't feel that way though and always buy the most expensive fastest stuff so they can brag about how they are x amount faster in such and such benchmark/game. I agree that if you are gaming that there is a point where you need nothing more. For instance if you can get 60fps in a game and the next step up in hardware gets you 70fps and that hardware is $400 more it is not worth it.

Yeah for gaming purposes, it is usually mostly the video card that makes a difference anyways. And you can easily build two practical PCs that should run mostly anything for the price of one PC with top of the line processor, mobo and video card. Spending all that cash just to brag about benchmarks.... ?? I guess some people have too much money......

Hmmm, bragging about benchmarks?? I buy for myself...not for others. You never see me in here bragging about my 3DMark/Q3/UT2003 scores.

 

[ahsia]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ahsia

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ahsia
I always say unless you are running applications that require insane amount of processing power, there is really no need for the TOP of the line processor. I can imagine something like a 2.4C P4 or a XP 2600+ can handle anything you throw at it. In the end, it is how much memory, and how fast your hard drive that will make any real world differences.

Some people don't feel that way though and always buy the most expensive fastest stuff so they can brag about how they are x amount faster in such and such benchmark/game. I agree that if you are gaming that there is a point where you need nothing more. For instance if you can get 60fps in a game and the next step up in hardware gets you 70fps and that hardware is $400 more it is not worth it.

Yeah for gaming purposes, it is usually mostly the video card that makes a difference anyways. And you can easily build two practical PCs that should run mostly anything for the price of one PC with top of the line processor, mobo and video card. Spending all that cash just to brag about benchmarks.... ?? I guess some people have too much money......

Hmmm, bragging about benchmarks?? I buy for myself...not for others. You never see me in here bragging about my 3DMark/Q3/UT2003 scores.

Not directing my comments at you NFS4, but you know as well as anyone that people do that. I just don't see the point....

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
i'm not itchin to beta test an OS when the non beta has enough trouble already.

And let's not get me started on the single game you can even use in 64bit *yawn*

Don't get me wrong it is a very promising chip, but I think that right now neither the price (which is way too high) or the lack of software is worth it.

Did I fvcking say that the single 64 bit game was a reason to build an Athlon64 System? No, so stfu. The lack of software doesn't affect the fact that it is the most powerful amd chip out, and doesn't cost much more than the AthlonXP 3200+. It is worth it if you are not short on money and game quite a bit.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
i'm not itchin to beta test an OS when the non beta has enough trouble already.

And let's not get me started on the single game you can even use in 64bit *yawn*

Don't get me wrong it is a very promising chip, but I think that right now neither the price (which is way too high) or the lack of software is worth it.

Did I fvcking say that the single 64 bit game was a reason to build an Athlon64 System? No, so stfu. The lack of software doesn't affect the fact that it is the most powerful amd chip out, and doesn't cost much more than the AthlonXP 3200+. It is worth it if you are not short on money and game quite a bit.

Remind me not to get on your bad side:Q

 

[fkloster]

NFS4 is bored.... (its ok...I have been there before too...) Although I must say... I would never trade a top of the line Mitsubishi sports car for an RX-8 just because I got the spare change to do it... I'm currently very bored too and have the spare change but I'm just not sure what to do.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
i'm not itchin to beta test an OS when the non beta has enough trouble already.

And let's not get me started on the single game you can even use in 64bit *yawn*

Don't get me wrong it is a very promising chip, but I think that right now neither the price (which is way too high) or the lack of software is worth it.

Did I fvcking say that the single 64 bit game was a reason to build an Athlon64 System? No, so stfu. The lack of software doesn't affect the fact that it is the most powerful amd chip out, and doesn't cost much more than the AthlonXP 3200+. It is worth it if you are not short on money and game quite a bit.

Remind me not to get on your bad side:Q

Oh its ok, I :heart: you man.

 

[SexyK]

The speed increase that 64bits environment will bring us is much more visible then any sidekick technology like HyperThreading for example. Don't think 64bits is far off now.. it's confirmed Prescot will use AMD's 64bit instruction set and will be a Power hungry overheated godzilla

Hmmm... this guy really sounds like an expert

 

[GnomeCop]

is there going to ge a 256mb 9800 pro in that setup too?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: GnomeCop
is there going to ge a 256mb 9800 pro in that setup too?

I think I'll bum one off Anand

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: fkloster
NFS4 is bored.... (its ok...I have been there before too...) Although I must say... I would never trade a top of the line Mitsubishi sports car for an RX-8 just because I got the spare change to do it... I'm currently very bored too and have the spare change but I'm just not sure what to do.

Bad example. The best Mitsubishi has to offer isn't in the same class as the RX-8, I know I just got one.

On-topic, if you do have the money, playing with a new technology is a great use of time. Until I got the RX-8 (BTW), I did have $600 a month to burn on PC stuff, but not anymore.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: fkloster
NFS4 is bored.... (its ok...I have been there before too...) Although I must say... I would never trade a top of the line Mitsubishi sports car for an RX-8 just because I got the spare change to do it... I'm currently very bored too and have the spare change but I'm just not sure what to do.

Bad example. The best Mitsubishi has to offer isn't in the same class as the RX-8, I know I just got one.

On-topic, if you do have the money, playing with a new technology is a great use of time. Until I got the RX-8 (BTW), I did have $600 a month to burn on PC stuff, but not anymore.

How is that RX-8?

 

[GnomeCop]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GnomeCop
is there going to ge a 256mb 9800 pro in that setup too?

I think I'll bum one off Anand

if you happen by 2 of them... feel free to send one my way.
whats in it for you? ..... well there's an autographed picture of me I could part with.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: GnomeCop

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GnomeCop
is there going to ge a 256mb 9800 pro in that setup too?

I think I'll bum one off Anand

if you happen by 2 of them... feel free to send one my way.
whats in it for you? ..... well there's an autographed picture of me I could part with.

ill give you a nude autographed pic...no no, not of GnomeCop!...

 

[Challenger]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

 

[Markfw]

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

If you read the article, it says the P4 was running 65c and the new Athlon was running 45c with the same case, fans and HSF unit. I would say they run hot.......

Edit, and I have heard that ever since the P4 went over 2.4, they have been getting close to the Athlon XP in heat production at the same rated speed.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

Idles at around 50C. I've seen it get up as 76C when encoding

 

[Challenger]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

If you read the article, it says the P4 was running 65c and the new Athlon was running 45c with the same case, fans and HSF unit. I would say they run hot.......

Edit, and I have heard that ever since the P4 went over 2.4, they have been getting close to the Athlon XP in heat production at the same rated speed.

I was refering to

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu

 

[Challenger]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

Idles at around 50C. I've seen it get up as 76C when encoding

WOW that's hotter than any P4 I've seen!

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

Idles at around 50C. I've seen it get up as 76C when encoding

WOW that's hotter than any P4 I've seen!

You must also take into account that I'm using an Abit IC7 which has notoriously high CPU core temperatures which they refuse to fix with a BIOS update. Even taking that into consideration.

43-69C would be an fairer estimate. And yes, I use a thin layer of Artic Silver III

 

[Challenger]

You must also take into account that I'm using an Abit IC7 which has notoriously high CPU core temperatures which they refuse to fix with a BIOS update. Even taking that into consideration.

I thought I had read that about the IC7s. Have you touched the HSF while crunching numbers to see how hot the heatsink is. My P4G8X says my P4 is 55c while crunching and it doesen't feel even warm so it leads me to believe it's off by a bunch

 

[brettjrob]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

Idles at around 50C. I've seen it get up as 76C when encoding

Hmm, I've got a 2.4C at 3.12GHz on an IS7-E and don't seem to have those kind of temperature problems with my Zalman 7000 AlCu. Idles around 42C, maxes out around 60C after an hour of Prime95. This is with 1.55V. Personally I think I'll be about as happy with this setup I got over the summer for under $300 (motherboard was $95, CPU $170) as I would with a $450 AMD64, but there's definitely nothing wrong with experimenting when you've got the cash. Still, I can't help but wonder what it must be like to shell out over $600 for the new CPU/mobo combo and actually lose performance in some areas...

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: ahsia
I can imagine something like a 2.4C P4 or a XP 2600+ can handle anything you throw at it.

Ohmigosh... don't I wish that were the case. I launched a radiosity computation in trueSpace the other day, and after about 20 minutes, it was something like 0.05% completed. It wasn't exactly a complex scene either, just one light and about 22000 polygons. The end result would've looked something like this, except better (the real thing is this plus this, plus some custom flywheels as depicted).

I don't forsee there being "too much" CPU power for this stuff any time soon.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: ahsia
I can imagine something like a 2.4C P4 or a XP 2600+ can handle anything you throw at it.

Ohmigosh... don't I wish that were the case. I launched a radiosity computation in trueSpace the other day, and after about 20 minutes, it was something like 0.05% completed. It wasn't exactly a complex scene either, just one light and about 22000 polygons. The end result would've looked something like this, except better (the real thing is this plus this, plus some custom flywheels as depicted).

I don't forsee there being "too much" CPU power for this stuff any time soon.

/me thinks a renderfarm would be perfect for mechBgon.

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

Idles at around 50C. I've seen it get up as 76C when encoding

WOW that's hotter than any P4 I've seen!

You must also take into account that I'm using an Abit IC7 which has notoriously high CPU core temperatures which they refuse to fix with a BIOS update. Even taking that into consideration.

43-69C would be an fairer estimate. And yes, I use a thin layer of Artic Silver III

IC7 CPU temps are 10 to 15C hotter than what I had on my old Asus board. (same CPU and cooling)