Well what is it? like in basic windows apps and such, load times etc. I had a Celeron 366@550 on a Abit BM6, I will have a Duron@700-1Ghz depending on what i can get out of it, on a MSI K7T Pro 2. I do have ATA 66 drives so i guess ill get a bit of boost from that also, but from a CPU aspect what can i look forward to in just basic everyday windows stuff. I posted this also in the CPU forum but got little useful info.
Real world differnce between a celeron @550 and a duron@700-1Ghz
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You will notice much snappier responses in Office Apps. Your load times will not increase as it depends on your hard drive, but the ATA66 controller should help a little.
For games, your framerate should increase by two.
Althogether your new system will be much faster, the question is, do you really need the speed? Personally I would.
For games, your framerate should increase by two.
Althogether your new system will be much faster, the question is, do you really need the speed? Personally I would.
In office apps you probably won't have much percievable difference since most of those are limited by human response time. I certainly wouldn't upgrade for windows/office apps. Maybe get a faster hard drive and some more RAM...but not your CPU...
For games, even at 1024x768x32 a celeron is slower than a Duron.
Anything from about a 700 Athlon/P3 and say an 800 Duron up will bottleneck at the video card....but with a celeron 550 unless you have a very slow video card the celeron will have some impact on your framerates to.
What do you want it for mostly?
Go read some video card reviews, anandtech and firingsquad are my two favourites and you'll see how much affect it has there.
But that's all just numbers...real world perception is what you care about yes?
Honestly...for office apps I doubt you'll notice a difference and for games at 1024x768x32 and up if you have a fast video card you probably won't percieve a difference...people count frames to much in my view...unless you play games competetiviely I probably wouldn't upgrade....
Will that board take a P3 or a Celeron2? Maybe get a Celeron2 533A and try to clock it at a 100Mhz FSB and get an 800 out of it...
A celeron 800/100 will bottleneck your video card as well as any other CPU and it will perform fast enough in office apps that you won't notice a difference between it an a Duron 1Ghz. And it will save you the cost of a motherboard.
The i440BX is still a pretty good chipset, and that guys got 5 PCI slots and 3 DIMMs, you can find boards with a 6th PCI slot but you probably don't need it...ATA33 might be a bit of a bottleneck depending on your hard drives and if you have 2 on the same channel but that can be remedied with a Promise Ultra 66/100 much cheaper than new board.
For games, even at 1024x768x32 a celeron is slower than a Duron.
Anything from about a 700 Athlon/P3 and say an 800 Duron up will bottleneck at the video card....but with a celeron 550 unless you have a very slow video card the celeron will have some impact on your framerates to.
What do you want it for mostly?
Go read some video card reviews, anandtech and firingsquad are my two favourites and you'll see how much affect it has there.
But that's all just numbers...real world perception is what you care about yes?
Honestly...for office apps I doubt you'll notice a difference and for games at 1024x768x32 and up if you have a fast video card you probably won't percieve a difference...people count frames to much in my view...unless you play games competetiviely I probably wouldn't upgrade....
Will that board take a P3 or a Celeron2? Maybe get a Celeron2 533A and try to clock it at a 100Mhz FSB and get an 800 out of it...
A celeron 800/100 will bottleneck your video card as well as any other CPU and it will perform fast enough in office apps that you won't notice a difference between it an a Duron 1Ghz. And it will save you the cost of a motherboard.
The i440BX is still a pretty good chipset, and that guys got 5 PCI slots and 3 DIMMs, you can find boards with a 6th PCI slot but you probably don't need it...ATA33 might be a bit of a bottleneck depending on your hard drives and if you have 2 on the same channel but that can be remedied with a Promise Ultra 66/100 much cheaper than new board.
Maybe i should list my current setup and ALL the things i will be doing with it, BTW i already have the duron+mobo on the way its a done deal. My system will saty the same(expect CPU and mobo of course) so here it is:
CPU : Celeron 366@550
Mobo : Abit BM6
RAM : 288MB PC 100 CAS 2 8ns(Note 32MB will be removed with mobo switch)
Vid Card : Voodoo 3 3000(@190Mhz)
Sound : SB Live Value(might move if that AC97 VIA onbord sound is any good)
HD's : 20GB 7200rpm ATA66 Maxtor, 30GB 7200rpm ATA 66 Maxtor
CD-ROM/DVD : Creative 4224 Burner, Creative 5X DVD
Other : D-Link 10/100 NIC, Hollywood+ DVD decoder card
I am building a machine for my GF with my celeron thats why some ram and maybe sound card will be removed.
Now what i will use it for, in order of what it will spend the most time doing:
1. Video Encoding(DVD--> DivX rips, this really takes a while on my celeron)
2. 3d Graphics rendering(Bryce 3D, 3D Studio MAX, etc)
3. 2d Graphics rendering(Photoshop, PSP, etc)
4. E-mail, Net surfing, Downloding etc.(basic stuff, napster, ICQ etc)
5. Games(mostly UT, NFS(all of them), FFVII, Starcraft)
There, now that you know what im doing, and know whats happening to my leftover parts, do you think its a good and worthwile upgrade???? i guess i should have mentioned the video encoding in my first post lol
CPU : Celeron 366@550
Mobo : Abit BM6
RAM : 288MB PC 100 CAS 2 8ns(Note 32MB will be removed with mobo switch)
Vid Card : Voodoo 3 3000(@190Mhz)
Sound : SB Live Value(might move if that AC97 VIA onbord sound is any good)
HD's : 20GB 7200rpm ATA66 Maxtor, 30GB 7200rpm ATA 66 Maxtor
CD-ROM/DVD : Creative 4224 Burner, Creative 5X DVD
Other : D-Link 10/100 NIC, Hollywood+ DVD decoder card
I am building a machine for my GF with my celeron thats why some ram and maybe sound card will be removed.
Now what i will use it for, in order of what it will spend the most time doing:
1. Video Encoding(DVD--> DivX rips, this really takes a while on my celeron)
2. 3d Graphics rendering(Bryce 3D, 3D Studio MAX, etc)
3. 2d Graphics rendering(Photoshop, PSP, etc)
4. E-mail, Net surfing, Downloding etc.(basic stuff, napster, ICQ etc)
5. Games(mostly UT, NFS(all of them), FFVII, Starcraft)
There, now that you know what im doing, and know whats happening to my leftover parts, do you think its a good and worthwile upgrade???? i guess i should have mentioned the video encoding in my first post lol
<< Sound : SB Live Value(might move if that AC97 VIA onbord sound is any good) >>
LOL, your kidding right? If your not, just get it out of your head that you will be using the onboard sound over a SB Live Value. The sound quality is atrocious compared to a SB Live not to mention it eats into CPU cycles.
I upgraded from a p2350 to a tbird 1 gig and I was astounded by the speed. Word and Excel spring open... etc.
Mark
Mark
hahahaha OK there goes my theories, I was assuming average use.
1. Video Encoding(DVD--> DivX rips, this really takes a while on my celeron) - HUGELY CPU intensive a Duron at 1Ghz will smoke a Cel 550.
2. 3d Graphics rendering(Bryce 3D, 3D Studio MAX, etc) - Also fairly heavy on the CPU especially FPU, though this kind of stuff needs hard drive speed to, unless they are really small animations.
3. 2d Graphics rendering(Photoshop, PSP, etc) - Pretty much the same as above.
4. E-mail, Net surfing, Downloding etc.(basic stuff, napster, ICQ etc) This won't really matter...this kind of stuff wasn't CPU bottlenecked on my K6-2/350. It'll be a bit faster but you won't notice worlds of difference. I'm doing this stuff on a Pentium 166 (might be mmx..not sure) with 80MB of RAM at work. Stuff takes a while to open, but once it's open it's speed limited by me and my internet connection (a T3 to my office building I think). (I know P166 is BBBAAAAADDD, I get a new PC in january..probably a P3/733)
5. Games(mostly UT, NFS(all of them), FFVII, Starcraft) UT is very CPU intensive...I was looking at Anand's review history today, I want to see how much I can net overclocking my 700Mhz TBird. At 1024x768x32 with a GeForce2 GTS, upping a TBird 100Mhz gains about 3fps (this was from 700 to 800 to 900 to 1000, each was about a 3fps jump). So your Cel 550 to Duron 1000 should give you a pretty significant jump becuase a Duron is faster clock for clock than a Celeron and that's about 15fps clock speed difference. Granted your video card is slower than a GTS but still...UT is very CPU intensive. Quake3 on the other hand anything from about an Athlon 500 to an Athlon 1000 performed within 2fps of each other on Q3A at 1024x768. FFVII runs on a playstation...I doubt there's a bottleneck in your system, Starcraft ran on my P200MMX there's definately not a bottleneck in your system. Not sure on NFS...but some games should definately see improvement.
Overall for what you do it's definately worth it.
1. Video Encoding(DVD--> DivX rips, this really takes a while on my celeron) - HUGELY CPU intensive a Duron at 1Ghz will smoke a Cel 550.
2. 3d Graphics rendering(Bryce 3D, 3D Studio MAX, etc) - Also fairly heavy on the CPU especially FPU, though this kind of stuff needs hard drive speed to, unless they are really small animations.
3. 2d Graphics rendering(Photoshop, PSP, etc) - Pretty much the same as above.
4. E-mail, Net surfing, Downloding etc.(basic stuff, napster, ICQ etc) This won't really matter...this kind of stuff wasn't CPU bottlenecked on my K6-2/350. It'll be a bit faster but you won't notice worlds of difference. I'm doing this stuff on a Pentium 166 (might be mmx..not sure) with 80MB of RAM at work. Stuff takes a while to open, but once it's open it's speed limited by me and my internet connection (a T3 to my office building I think). (I know P166 is BBBAAAAADDD, I get a new PC in january..probably a P3/733)
5. Games(mostly UT, NFS(all of them), FFVII, Starcraft) UT is very CPU intensive...I was looking at Anand's review history today, I want to see how much I can net overclocking my 700Mhz TBird. At 1024x768x32 with a GeForce2 GTS, upping a TBird 100Mhz gains about 3fps (this was from 700 to 800 to 900 to 1000, each was about a 3fps jump). So your Cel 550 to Duron 1000 should give you a pretty significant jump becuase a Duron is faster clock for clock than a Celeron and that's about 15fps clock speed difference. Granted your video card is slower than a GTS but still...UT is very CPU intensive. Quake3 on the other hand anything from about an Athlon 500 to an Athlon 1000 performed within 2fps of each other on Q3A at 1024x768. FFVII runs on a playstation...I doubt there's a bottleneck in your system, Starcraft ran on my P200MMX there's definately not a bottleneck in your system. Not sure on NFS...but some games should definately see improvement.
Overall for what you do it's definately worth it.
But isnt what i do average use? LMAO doesnt everyone do some 3d graphics and encode DVD's??? lol
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