Look at the Graph for the Intel system. The very first line on the top is the CPU temp. It is at 76C degrees!!!
Flames to come any hour!!!
Flames to come any hour!!!
i was coming here to sayt that the p4 is affecting the 64's temp reading... but yu'all got to me before it, honestly they should have them on the opposite side of a room....
Lets be honest most of these review sites do a piss poor job of testing them...They shouldn't even mention temps until they place them into cases (real world environment) and have other components and their heat effect the situation. They must think they are keeping the cpu temps purely to itself, but I can attest that on a desk sometimes is worse anyways....I get better temps in the case with cross air movement versus stagnant air on the desk....
I think they should have a standard run of the mill case with 2 fans as most come with and an enthusiasts case with more fans, round cables, etc....test them both and let us see and make up our own opinions of what is the best cooling for the given chip. The desk stuff is a farce and leads many down the wrong road....
I think they should have a standard run of the mill case with 2 fans as most come with and an enthusiasts case with more fans, round cables, etc....test them both and let us see and make up our own opinions of what is the best cooling for the given chip. The desk stuff is a farce and leads many down the wrong road....
Is there really any ponit to worrying about temps anyway (from a review standpoint I mean - other than heatsink specific reviews).
We all know that the Prescot consumers much more power than the A64. Simple science tells us that power must go somewhere. The heatsink designers setup their heatsinks to keep the chip at a certain temp, so it should be no surprise that the stock intel heatsink and the stock AMD heatsink produce simlar temps on the chips.
If you really want to see what whether the power consumption makes a significant difference, a good test would be to use the same heatsink @ the same settings and compare the temps of the chips. That is what most enthusiasts do anyway - go buy an aftermarket heatsink and fan and either try to run as quietly as possible or overclock as much as possible or find a good spot in the middle somewhere.
I think all this test tells us is that the stock AMD heatsink and the stock Intel headsink both perform well in the respective applications.
Of course, that strange increase in temps on the Intel system is interesting.
Anyhow, I guess I don't see the point of the test.
-D'oh!
We all know that the Prescot consumers much more power than the A64. Simple science tells us that power must go somewhere. The heatsink designers setup their heatsinks to keep the chip at a certain temp, so it should be no surprise that the stock intel heatsink and the stock AMD heatsink produce simlar temps on the chips.
If you really want to see what whether the power consumption makes a significant difference, a good test would be to use the same heatsink @ the same settings and compare the temps of the chips. That is what most enthusiasts do anyway - go buy an aftermarket heatsink and fan and either try to run as quietly as possible or overclock as much as possible or find a good spot in the middle somewhere.
I think all this test tells us is that the stock AMD heatsink and the stock Intel headsink both perform well in the respective applications.
Of course, that strange increase in temps on the Intel system is interesting.
Anyhow, I guess I don't see the point of the test.
-D'oh!
VirtualLarry
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Maybe they flashed the BIOS during a downtime interval, in order to attempt to gain more stability?
Rig died, and they replaced it, hoping no-one would notice?
Little green aliens with flamethrowers came down from planet AMD and heated up the Intel system to make it look bad?
Controversy. Pageviews. If you can't impress with technique nor scientific testing, create a commotion any way you know how, I guess. Tom should be the emcee of a gypsy circus troupe, not a hardware review site.
"Tagan's weaknesses are not new to us. A total of five power supplies suddenly failed in our labs during the past year."
That makes you stupid for using this psu to try to compare stability of two CPUs. WOW, I can hardly believe that something this idiotic made the site of a "respectable" review site.
NTM the CPU charts they printed are Intel dominated exept for Farcry. What a joke.
That makes you stupid for using this psu to try to compare stability of two CPUs. WOW, I can hardly believe that something this idiotic made the site of a "respectable" review site.
NTM the CPU charts they printed are Intel dominated exept for Farcry. What a joke.
NOtice the big 10c drop out of nowhere...looks like throtlling to me since it says it is holding 100% usage....
Also is the INtel cpu being loaded with 2 tasks to get maximum temperature???
Also again what AMD system needs a 5000+rpm fan and still have those high temps...I think Toms is definitely pulling something now..I have a rig and my stock was only 3000+ rpm and at 2.7ghz did better then that...
Also is the INtel cpu being loaded with 2 tasks to get maximum temperature???
Also again what AMD system needs a 5000+rpm fan and still have those high temps...I think Toms is definitely pulling something now..I have a rig and my stock was only 3000+ rpm and at 2.7ghz did better then that...
Well Tom's put both systems into cases. So that puts a reboot on the AMD side as well, 3 for the Intel.
The temps of the AMD system came down, the Intel setup stayed the same. We now have proof that the AMD system's temps were being inflated by the Intel system sitting next to it.
yeah, i did notice they put them into cases already and that the AMD temps have gone down but not by much. i think the mobo may be detecting the wrong temps since this is a diff core and MSI had these issues before when the newcastle cores came along. My question is now, are they using the same PSU? also i didn't like the idea of them counting a "reboot" after transferring them to the cases since in reality the AMD system has never rebooted.
Did they count a reboot on each side when they put them into the cases? Or has the AMD system actually failed?
What I love is once you got the amd away from the heat beast of the intel system temps went down and that is after being placed in more of a closed environment lile a case....
NOtice the amds temps dropped both cpu and system and the INtel systems cpu and northbridge temps both increased.
For me I would be discouraged in getting the intel system cause it is already too high and I wouldn't have even begun ocing.....stock aside it shows me more exotic cooling would be needed for what I consider a decent oc.....
My temps also dropped 2c when I placed it into the case. I think the design of the heatsink and the sucking methopd was helped by the good croos flow I have in my case......
NOtice the amds temps dropped both cpu and system and the INtel systems cpu and northbridge temps both increased.
For me I would be discouraged in getting the intel system cause it is already too high and I wouldn't have even begun ocing.....stock aside it shows me more exotic cooling would be needed for what I consider a decent oc.....
My temps also dropped 2c when I placed it into the case. I think the design of the heatsink and the sucking methopd was helped by the good croos flow I have in my case......
Zebo
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Well I can tell ya'll one thing about hotter.
My Athlon XP @ 2700 made my radiator feel like a ceramic heater you buy at walmart. I mean air coming out was HOT. Under Winchester air coming form radiator is same as room temp.
Not scientific by any means but reenforced by ~140W used by overclcoked athlon XP in calculators I've seen VS ~ 40-50W I saw at xbitlabs they said Winch used. Heck when you can get 2600Mhz on almost default vcore (1.40) that helps a lot.
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Newcastle was somewhere in between..unfortuantly it took 1.75volts to get to 2600mhz.
My Athlon XP @ 2700 made my radiator feel like a ceramic heater you buy at walmart. I mean air coming out was HOT. Under Winchester air coming form radiator is same as room temp.
Not scientific by any means but reenforced by ~140W used by overclcoked athlon XP in calculators I've seen VS ~ 40-50W I saw at xbitlabs they said Winch used. Heck when you can get 2600Mhz on almost default vcore (1.40) that helps a lot.
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Newcastle was somewhere in between..unfortuantly it took 1.75volts to get to 2600mhz.
AMD system has Rebooted!!!! despite the lower temps the AMD system has rebooted. though now it's temps are at 46C. those guys at THG didn't even mention if the PSU of the AMD system was changed since the tagan 'failed' the P4 and they replaced that with an antec NeoPower 480 (which is a better PSU). what if the AMD system was using a faulty PSU as well?
Look at the latest AMD status after an unexplained reboot.
The CPU temperature dropped about 10 deg C - Now that will take some explaining
http://www20.tomshardware.com/stresstest/amd.html
The CPU temperature dropped about 10 deg C - Now that will take some explaining
http://www20.tomshardware.com/stresstest/amd.html
A site full of flippin morons....After this review which is shotty at best....
Cpu temps drop by 10c and nnow get to where they should have been...
After much bitchin and even taken crap from a few I was right...The cpu and northbride fan speeds were reversed. I klnew 5500rpm for the cpu and nonly 3300 for the NB chipset was wrong....
Their methods from the get go were crap and we called them on it and they changed in mid review. They use crappy parts instead of most enthusiast that read their site probably use....
JUST LAUGHABLE IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY!!!!
One only has to look at the min and max of the +12v and +3.3v rail to see we probably are not dealing with fairly matched PSU...The +12v is all over the place versus the Intel one...
Notice we are back to what we thought...The AMD cpu is about 15-16c cooler at load...
NOw the ppl who don't think the P4 may throttle needs to only look at the fact this is the 3.6ghz version ( no vcore boost) closed case but probably better case cooling then the average person does and the max temp is 62c....Throttling may begin anywhere fomr 65-70c from different reports I have seen. NOt much headroom. Not all ppl leave in Germany in the dead of winter, or climate controlled labs!!!
Come summer we may see the true tale. My p4 from winter to summer would have a near 6c swing and required much more cleaning and reapplication of AS to keep temps close to that 6c line versus the winter temps...
Notice we are back to what we thought...The AMD cpu is about 15-16c cooler at load...
NOw the ppl who don't think the P4 may throttle needs to only look at the fact this is the 3.6ghz version ( no vcore boost) closed case but probably better case cooling then the average person does and the max temp is 62c....Throttling may begin anywhere fomr 65-70c from different reports I have seen. NOt much headroom. Not all ppl leave in Germany in the dead of winter, or climate controlled labs!!!
Come summer we may see the true tale. My p4 from winter to summer would have a near 6c swing and required much more cleaning and reapplication of AS to keep temps close to that 6c line versus the winter temps...
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